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961  Economy / Economics / Re: Money As Debt - documentary on: May 05, 2013, 03:52:34 AM
Except that your chart is nonsense.

In your view, the stuff that is not used as money is money, while the stuff that is used as money is not money.  If we agreed to accept your contorted view, you would be right, but then there would be no point in the discussion, because no one gives a fuck about not-money.

Your chart also suffers from the flaw that you are reading it from the top to the bottom, when reality happens from the bottom up.  Lending happens first.  Reserves are found later, usually by borrowing against the new note.

Money creation is not a secret, just there are two different types. I'm more interested in the central bank money, but other people might be interested in checkbook money, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation

FRB is the practice of creating checkbook money, but if FRB is not allowed, then there will be no checkbook money, but there will still be central bank money. and if central bank money is not available, the checkbook money can not increase if commercial banks already loaned out to maximum

FED is buying 85 billion USD bonds and MBS monthly, that money is not generated by FRB, and that is the money might create 850 billion of checkbook money if loaned out by commercial banks later

Look at your chart again.  They money that you are talking about is not used as money.  It is checking accounts in the fed's computer, which is only useful when a bank writes a check to another bank.  A bank can't go to the fed and ask the teller for a cash withdrawal from your reserve account.*  If you took away everything else, there would be nothing.  Literally every dollar actually used for commerce is outside of that box.

I don't know how much more plainly I can say it.  The stuff that you consider to be money is not, in reality, used as money.

Also, you are still clinging to the mistaken notion that the fed needs to make money first, so that commercial banks can multiply it.  That is still nonsense.  Banks makes loans first, and then buy or borrow reserves from the fed.  Not only is this obvious once you understand how the system works, it has also been observed empirically.

Yes, I know, trucks full of cash actually do drive around the country dropping off and picking up.  First, that is a pittance, relatively speaking.  And second, cash is just a token used to transfer the real money around.  (If you took away the cash, the system would be fine, but if you took away the system, the cash would be worthless.)
962  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Specialized hardware and the "nuclear option" for >50% attacks on: May 04, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
In one of the several other threads discussing this exact same topic, I argued that it is best to use an algorithm that is simple enough for casual people to implement (as an ASIC) with a modest budget.

Casual and ASIC don't go together. Not even if governments don't interfere, let alone if they do.

So, you probably won't believe me if I tell you that the first bitcoin ASIC was developed like 2 years ago, by one guy.  Right?
963  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: unique identifier of a transaction on: May 04, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
{blockhash,index} is unique.  As would be {blockhash,transactionhash} or even {transactionhash,blockheight}.

Thanks. {transactionhash,blockheight} is what I wanted to use, but wasn't sure.

I was going to add that {transactionhash,blockheight} needs special handling for reorgs, but really, all of these do anyway.

Note that other than the series of identical generate transactions, or spending one of the same, making a duplicate transactionhash is effectively impossible.
964  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Specialized hardware and the "nuclear option" for >50% attacks on: May 04, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
In one of the several other threads discussing this exact same topic, I argued that it is best to use an algorithm that is simple enough for casual people to implement (as an ASIC) with a modest budget.

At least 4 groups now have implemented bitcoin mining as an ASIC, in (relatively) short times, with (relatively) little capital.  More are sure to follow.

If some algorithm can be done on a general purpose computer, then a special computer can be made which can do it better (by whatever measure of better).  The question really comes down to "How much effort (time and/or capital) does it take for how much of an improvement?"

Picking a hard algorithm like scrypt doesn't mean that there won't ever be an ASIC for it, it just means that developing that ASIC will be harder, which means that different people will be doing it.

We want ASIC development to be possible for kids in their garages, and it would be extremely foolish to lock them out of the game.  Even more foolish when you consider that we are incapable of barring more powerful entities from doing it anyway.
965  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: unique identifier of a transaction on: May 04, 2013, 04:11:21 PM
{blockhash,index} is unique.  As would be {blockhash,transactionhash} or even {transactionhash,blockheight}.
966  Economy / Economics / Re: Money As Debt - documentary on: May 04, 2013, 04:04:40 PM
Except that your chart is nonsense.

In your view, the stuff that is not used as money is money, while the stuff that is used as money is not money.  If we agreed to accept your contorted view, you would be right, but then there would be no point in the discussion, because no one gives a fuck about not-money.

Your chart also suffers from the flaw that you are reading it from the top to the bottom, when reality happens from the bottom up.  Lending happens first.  Reserves are found later, usually by borrowing against the new note.
967  Economy / Economics / Re: Money As Debt - documentary on: May 04, 2013, 03:27:12 PM
This video is a good presentation, but its description of money creation is incorrect: Commercial banks do not have any right to create money, they can only sell assets to central bank in exchange for money, they can not loan out money more than they already have

The money creation only happened at central Bank, and there is no FRB at central bank

I didn't convince you that you were wrong about this.  The quotes from central bankers and economists at the beginning of the video didn't convince you that you were wrong either.

I think we are all just going to have to accept that you are always going to be wrong about how money is created.
968  Economy / Economics / Re: Localizing a cryptocurrency: is it possible? on: May 04, 2013, 12:00:06 PM
Sure, just set up some PKI and require that blocks be valid, and signed by a key that was signed by the central CA.
969  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Peter Vessenes have giant holdings in BTC?? If so, why crash it? on: May 04, 2013, 01:05:14 AM
It's all speculation at this point. We don't know all the details, and who's really pulling the strings. We do know that Venture Capital is involved, and when things are not moving as expected, I would think these guys have a voice.

Ever read Cryptonomicon?  I'm imagining The Dentist is behind this, or rather, his real-world counterparts.
970  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Im fairly confident the NSA (US Gov) Can 51% Any Coin At Any Time on: May 04, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
Holy shit!  1021 operations per second!  You weren't kidding about the 1980 Casio watch!
971  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How do I have multiple wallets, with one computer? on: May 04, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
The short answer is, don't.  Whatever need you think you have for multiple wallets, you are probably wrong, and there is a better way.  At least for now; this is a common request, and the software may very well support this in the future, or other clients might already do it today.

If you must, the safest way is to run two instances in different directories.
972  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Listunspent error on: May 04, 2013, 12:10:36 AM
There could in theory be a bug, but none are known so far.  If your node knows a UTXO and has enough keys to redeem it, it gets listed in listunspent.

In and out aren't concepts that really apply here.
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interesting Partial/Full defence to any CoinLab Claim on: May 03, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
Gox does not appear to have breached F.1, so liquidated damages do not apply.  That pretty much just leaves actual damages, which are, at best, a pittance, relatively speaking.  Note that the agreement is mostly concerned with future income.

974  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So many issues with the bitcoin foundation, how much longer are we giving it? on: May 03, 2013, 05:18:41 PM
Haters gotta hate.

Doesn't really matter what happens, the people that have been talking shit about the foundation since September just keep doing their thing.

We get it.  We really do.  You still don't like the foundation.  Good for you.  Now go fuck yourself.  At least the foundation supporters aren't spamming the forums with endless troll threads.
975  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: May 03, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
I don't think that is the case. If commercial banks can create loans as wish, then central bank's open market operation will have no effect at all. The OMO's purpose is to increase or reduce the amount of money that commercial banks can loan out, in such a way to adjust the credit money available for business. If commercial banks can create money by themselves as wish, this whole operation will have no effect

When a commercial bank give me a loan of $900, he must have that money at his account at the first place, and the reason that he can lend me that $900 is because he already have $100 deposited at central bank (10% reserve requirement)

Don't be fooled by bank's accounting tricks

The local bank's interaction with the fed creates a soft limit, not a hard one.  Small and simple examples don't show the real picture, because it isn't just you, the bank and the fed.  There are thousands of other banks, and millions of other people.

What makes you think that the bank has to "have" $900 somewhere in your example?  Where is that $900 stored?  Physical tokens in the vault?  In their computer?  No.  And also clearly not in the central bank's computer.*

Banks have two kinds of "real" money.  They have physical tokens of money (dollar bills) and central bank deposits (reserve accounts at the fed).  They usually have a truck show up daily to either pick up excess tokens, or to bring more tokens, and all they really need are enough to service local demand, which is usually a tiny little fraction of the non-physical business at the bank.  As to reserve accounts, they can borrow from other banks or directly from the fed.

What really limits the local bank is that the auditors verify that they have enough on reserve on a regular basis.  And since reserves are so easy to get, they are effectively never out of compliance with their reserveholding requirements.  Banks fail when their books get out of whack, not when their vaults run empty.

Well, at least I hope it is clear.  Clearing and settlement is done on a net basis.  It would be silly for the bank to need $1000 in their reserve account, and then withdraw $900 to make the loan, leaving a 10% reserve.  First, how would the withdrawal work?  Second, what would stop the bank from redepositing whatever fraction of the loan doesn't leave that day and loaning out 90% again?
976  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Address revocation on: May 03, 2013, 03:36:05 AM
The payment protocol in the works will take care of some of this.

Addresses themselves can't be revoked.  We could do it, but only at a terrible cost.  I will leave the consequences to your imagination.
977  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a Currency or Commodity? on: May 03, 2013, 03:26:39 AM
Even if everyone votes that cats are dogs, that won't make it so.
978  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinLab suing MtGox for $75 milliion? on: May 03, 2013, 02:02:29 AM
I'm still reading, but so far, it looks like the suit will likely be tossed.  The contract will likely be nullified.

Your bank, brokerage, etc, etc, can't just sell your account to someone else, and a contract to do so would not be valid.  There are complicated hoops that you have to jump through for that.

I am sure there are hoops, but they can certainly sell your account to someone else -- and without any input or say-so from you, the customer.  This has occurred to many of us who have had the misfortune to bank at a brick-and-mortar bank -- only to see it bought up by a mega-bank.

Surely you see the difference.  Selling an account is one thing.  Selling a bank is a whole 'nother story.
979  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox gets sued by CoinLab on: May 03, 2013, 01:56:37 AM
The other thread on this got moved.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193888.0;all
980  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinLab suing MtGox for $75 milliion? on: May 03, 2013, 01:48:59 AM
I'm still reading, but so far, it looks like the suit will likely be tossed.  The contract will likely be nullified.

Your bank, brokerage, etc, etc, can't just sell your account to someone else, and a contract to do so would not be valid.  There are complicated hoops that you have to jump through for that.
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