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1921  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: September 01, 2012, 02:27:25 AM
Only in flawed economic thinking is it a burden. The Triffin dilemma is based on one of the greatest misconceptions in modern-day economics: "a trade deficit is bad".

The USA has been a hungry importer, receiving a huge influx of useful goods, lasting commodities, and safe securities in exchange for its depreciating, produced-on-demand USD, all because it owns the world's reserve currency.

There is no such thing as a trade deficit, not really.  In the long run, there is always balance.  As the dollars flowed out, our capital, our saved production, our means of future production, flowed out with them.  We didn't rebuild Europe and Asia after the war with tricky accounting, we poured out our sweat and blood, because no one else would.

In a hundred years, or two hundred, future historians will note the last several decades as the era when the United States impoverished itself to catapult the rest of the world into the modern age.
This is a very American-centric view, and does little to quash the stereotypes surrounding American self-centric thinking.

The hilarious part is that you'll find that what I'm saying is very unpopular in the US.  But I guess, haters gotta hate...  I'm pretty sure I know how history will understand this era when personal jealousy is no longer an issue.

As USD became the reserve currency, other countries scrambled to provide non-depreciating assets. As USD depreciated and countries acquired more USD to compensate, more commodities and sound securities were provided. The USA has been feeding off this, and "exploitation of the globe" is without a doubt a crucial reason the USA remains the world's largest economy amidst development of harder-working, stronger-producing, and less-consuming markets in Asia and Latin America, and eventually Africa.

You are going to have to explain this part to me, I can make no sense of it.  In particular:

What non-depreciating assets?
Who are they being provided to?
If dollars are so bad, why exactly are they gathering more of them instead of getting rid of them?
Again, what was being provided?  By who?  And to whom?
How has the US been feeding off of whatever you are talking about?
Do you mean exploit in the good sense, or the bad sense?
1922  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: You never backuped your wallet.dat? on: September 01, 2012, 02:06:00 AM
There is an RPC call that can do it, and I'm pretty sure the GUI has a button for it.
1923  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do you think that there is something funny about BFL's new ASIC on: September 01, 2012, 12:10:14 AM
  • They are a business registered in Massachusetts on the name of some Mexican woman.

because no Hispanic people live in Massachusetts

This is incredibly common.  It doesn't mean anything bad.  All states require that a corporation list an agent with a physical address in the same state that is capable of accepting legal process.  Because of this, all states have companies and/or people that act as registered agents for various fees.  States with favorable corporate laws (Nevada, Delaware, North Dakota, etc) have tons of these agents.

Apparently it is a huge secret, because at least once a month I hear someone just learning about it and talking like they think it is evidence of something sinister.
1924  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin would make payroll awesome on: August 31, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
I was thinking about this. This would be the last step of where I would use a bank once BitInstant has debit card and billpay.

I would just have my direct deposit go straight to a bill account and a spending account.

I would even write up some budgetting software for my wallet so that my family spending could be trickled out throughout the month (keeping the wife from spending all of the paycheck on a shopping spree). I tried to do it once where I sent so much money to a checking account every day but the bank stopped it because of too many transfers in one month, plus if more was spent than was in the account the bank would charge a fee and let the spending go through.

If you are using plastic, you can stop automatic overdraft rapes.  When the law changed a few years ago, all of my credit card companies were hysterically begging me to opt in to overcharge protection so that they could charge me $35+ if I ever went over limit.  I declined them all, and now if a charge would ever accidentally take me over my limit, it is merely declined, for free.  It's happened a few times when I wasn't paying attention.  I just put away the card that pays 2% cash back and have them redo the charge on the card that I rarely use because it only pays back 1%.
1925  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 11:48:45 PM
Agree. De Gaulle was expressing it in 1965, at the time France was exchanging most of his dollars for gold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j58gikUjyIo

Ha!  I love hearing his speeches.  He talks so slow that I can almost keep up despite knowing virtually no french.

He was mostly right, too.  There really was no way that the USA could both provide dollars in the quantity the world needed and redeem them for gold.  There simply isn't enough gold to go around.  That is the di part of Triffin's Dilemma.  And the resolution of that problem led us directly into the bizarre situation we are in now.

When Nixon closed the gold window, that rest of the world had the chance to get off this crazy ride.  For the most part, they chose to stay.  And they continue to stay because staying is better than leaving.  Creating a better system is a long, difficult road, paved with mistakes and uncertainty.

I think it would be absolutely awesome if bitcoin could step up as the global reserve currency.  It would fit the bill perfectly, even better than gold.
1926  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
Only in flawed economic thinking is it a burden. The Triffin dilemma is based on one of the greatest misconceptions in modern-day economics: "a trade deficit is bad".

The USA has been a hungry importer, receiving a huge influx of useful goods, lasting commodities, and safe securities in exchange for its depreciating, produced-on-demand USD, all because it owns the world's reserve currency.

There is no such thing as a trade deficit, not really.  In the long run, there is always balance.  As the dollars flowed out, our capital, our saved production, our means of future production, flowed out with them.  We didn't rebuild Europe and Asia after the war with tricky accounting, we poured out our sweat and blood, because no one else would.

In a hundred years, or two hundred, future historians will note the last several decades as the era when the United States impoverished itself to catapult the rest of the world into the modern age.

further, all oil transactions occurring in USD is a HUGE boon to the US banking industry

I see this one a lot.  Sadly, it is really silly.  The unit of account for oil sales is meaningless.  In what way do you imagine that it helps the banks?  Do you think that oil purchasers are able to buy dollars through FOREX when they want to buy oil, but oil producers are unable to sell them when they want to buy something else?
1927  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: non standard bitcoin scripts on: August 31, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
Build it by hand.  Your example should be pretty easy to do.

The code gets a bit murky if you aren't up on your C++ skills (like me), but start around line 261 of rpcrawtransaction.cpp and follow the calls if you want to see where the original script comes from.
1928  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 10:20:55 PM

Painfully obvious inflation mostly, obscured slightly by bogus statistics.  The usual.  Remember that the debt in question is denominated in a currency that we can print at will (and have!).  The repayment amount isn't a fixed value, but a fixed quantity.

Who would buy or hold a debt like that?  Turns out that everyone does, because the alternatives are mostly worse.  That may change in the next 20 years, maybe it will even be Bitcoin that brings the system down.  But those are both long shots.

The alternatives are mostly worse...for now.

I see other world powers losing patience with the fed's monopoly on, and inevitable devaluation of their holdings.  Being "the best looking horse at the glue factory" is no way to run a world reserve currency.  Already China, India, Russia and others are making noises about some "basket of commodities" system.  Once the rush to get out begins I just don't see how the dollar survives.

This is curious; we seem to largely agree on the facts of the matter but have come to diametrically opposed conclusions.

Except that being the world's reserve currency isn't a gift, it is a burden.  A huge fucking burden.  The price that the USA has paid over the last 40 or 50 years to support, build and rebuild the world is mind boggling.
1929  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
Aha, very well, your SAE is actually a bit more than a dollar, and I will admit to being pedantic.

I am interested to know how you think the current debt load is going to be repaid?

Painfully obvious inflation mostly, obscured slightly by bogus statistics.  The usual.  Remember that the debt in question is denominated in a currency that we can print at will (and have!).  The repayment amount isn't a fixed value, but a fixed quantity.

Who would buy or hold a debt like that?  Turns out that everyone does, because the alternatives are mostly worse.  That may change in the next 20 years, maybe it will even be Bitcoin that brings the system down.  But those are both long shots.
1930  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
What the hell else are they going to do with their dollars?

what dollars?

there hasn't been a "dollar" since 1935

all they hold are electronic notations representing that they are owed federal reserve notes

There are no bitcoins either.  What's your point?

And for the record, there are dollars.  I've got one in my wallet that was minted in 2010.


"the United States dollar was defined as a unit of weight equaling 371 4/16th grains (24.057 grams) of pure silver"

that thing in your pocket is a debt instrument

I will attempt to stop being obtuse.  I find it vanishingly unlikely that the United States federal reserve note will exist in 20 years, certainly not as a world reserve currency.  What will China do with the value owed them?  Choke on it or go to war most likely.

No, I promise you that the ounce of silver in my wallet stamped "One Dollar" by the U.S. Mint is not in any way, shape or form a debt instrument.  It is really a dollar.

You are being pedantic about dollars.  In everyday usage, the word "dollar" is very well understood, whether it be a silver eagle, a paper FRN, an entry in your bank's computer, or a treasury bond/bill/note.  For what it's worth, I totally agree that most dollars are not really dollars.  That doesn't change anything.

I would be amazed if the dollar doesn't still exist in 20 years.  As fucked up as our financial and economic systems are, it turns out that pretty much the whole rest of the world is even more fucked up.  China thinks so too.  They keep buying our debt because it is the best place to park their export earnings.  If they didn't think so, they would FOREX their USD away as they came in.
1931  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
What the hell else are they going to do with their dollars?

what dollars?

there hasn't been a "dollar" since 1935

all they hold are electronic notations representing that they are owed federal reserve notes

There are no bitcoins either.  What's your point?

And for the record, there are dollars.  I've got one in my wallet that was minted in 2010.
1932  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 05:48:05 PM
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Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years?

I think everybody forgets one little detail in this train of thought - the dollar will be long gone by that time! Smiley
Or you seriously believe Chinese will keep buying US debt for another 20 years...  Grin

I would be pretty surprised if China wasn't still buying US debt in 2032.  What the hell else are they going to do with their dollars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

What the hell else are they going to do with their dollars?
1933  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will bitcoin price tank today on Pirate's new deadline? on: August 31, 2012, 04:49:29 PM
Deadline?  What did I miss?
1934  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years? on: August 31, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
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Can bitcoins break $5,000 in 20 years?

I think everybody forgets one little detail in this train of thought - the dollar will be long gone by that time! Smiley
Or you seriously believe Chinese will keep buying US debt for another 20 years...  Grin

I would be pretty surprised if China wasn't still buying US debt in 2032.  What the hell else are they going to do with their dollars?
1935  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: create btc-address + key in only PHP ? on: August 31, 2012, 03:26:37 PM
http://matejdanter.com/2010/12/elliptic-curve-php-oop-dsa-and-diffie-hellman/

Library download link at the bottom.  You need to add a generator for secp256k1.
1936  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does Bitcoin subsidize saving? on: August 31, 2012, 02:41:07 PM
But what you don't get is that inflation does not necessarily equal Keynes, just like deflation does not necessarily equal Austrian. And the god awful majority of you didn't know your ass from Austrian economics until you heard of bitcoin.

Meh.  Bitcoin was designed to gradually stop inflating.  As a result, it attracts the interest of people that don't like inflation, people that don't like seeing their savings erode over time.

I personally don't believe any sort of economist much more than I believe witch doctors. * At least Austrians tend to promote smaller government.

* Except Steve Keen, to some extent.  He does some really good work of the "trying to understand what is happening" variety, which I sadly see as very lacking among economists in general.
1937  Other / Beginners & Help / Did you backup your wallet.dat? on: August 31, 2012, 02:04:54 PM
You never backuped your wallet? Then you deserve to lost that btc.

Heh.  Maybe we can get the devs to make the client pop up a dialog box with this quote the first time it starts.
1938  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does Bitcoin subsidize saving? on: August 31, 2012, 02:03:39 PM
So even if you're starving you won't buy food but you'll keep your money because it doesn't lose value with time passing?
No, I'll buy food with the currency I actually have, because everyone will have a choice to either use the currency that sucks but is available, or the currency-like commodity that has a small set of rabid supporters who don't want to invest their money (or claim that they're investing in saving) and claim that consumption is teh debil.

Whatever though folks, enough of this revolving door of narrow arguments and inability to see bigger pictures, et al. Enjoy coveting your pet rocks.

Sorry dude, this is a hotbed of rabid anti-Keynesians.  We get it that you prefer that your money inflate, we simply disagree, and we have our reasons.  You have a high bar to pass if you want to convince us, and reductio ad absurdum isn't going to be enough.
1939  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does Bitcoin subsidize saving? on: August 31, 2012, 01:37:27 PM
Unless of course you have some solution for how the everyman will acquire bitcoins when half of them will have been mined in a few months?

Trade.
In the currency that pays you for not trading. GREAT ANSWER

Flip it around.  The dollar is inflationary.  Every time you sell something, you could have gotten more dollars by waiting until tomorrow.
1940  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does Bitcoin subsidize saving? on: August 31, 2012, 01:22:33 PM
Unless of course you have some solution for how the everyman will acquire bitcoins when half of them will have been mined in a few months?

Trade.
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