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961  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 02, 2014, 07:11:02 AM
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White papers, presentations etc are more for academics. If you have something working, well, then your code is your white paper, so to speak. Others can analyze it and write 10 papers each, but the magic is performed in the result itself. If you have to convince others through papers and presentations, it's game over.

Academia is good for theoretical stuff like Zerocoin but when it comes to actually making something they haven't produced anything - so it's up to the people, like Cryptonote/Bytecoin people, Gmaxwell, Evan, etc to do the planning and coding.

The people can't wait the "academics", funded by the government, to provide solutions for them. They'll find a way to do things, even "dirty" ways and hacks that improve their privacy/anonymity.


I'm sorry I totally disagree with this. It's totally normal to have both high, mid and even low level explanation of the technology involved here to assure investors. To his credit the dev of XC has posted academic papers on cryptography before in the XC forum, and while I'll admit to being unqualified to review the code, the tone so far seems to be "take my word for it". If you are willing to risk $10K, $100K, $1 million or more on promises from someone you don't know, then you are gambling. I would say there is less than a 5% chance that this dev has managed to miraculously pull out of thin air some solution that nobody else in this entire field has been able to come up with. If it were so simple, then don't you think the researchers at Johns Hopkins University would have been able to do it much sooner?

I've posted this in other forums before, http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/04/zerocoin-making-bitcoin-anonymous.html

As you can see in this article, one of the researchers is writing about his students at Johns Hopkins university who researched the technology behind Zerocoin. They are still developing it. Here's a quote,

"In this post I'm going to describe a new piece of research out of my lab at Johns Hopkins that provides one potential solution to this problem. This is joint work led by my hardworking students Ian Miers and Christina Garman, along with my colleague Avi Rubin. Our proposal is called Zerocoin, and we'll be presenting it at this year's IEEE S&P."

Here is Ian Miers twitter: https://twitter.com/secparam. He regularly discusses these new coins that claim to have anonymous solutions. He claims Zerocash will be superior to Darksend and compares Darksend to a coin mixer. I'm excited about Darksend, however, but the point is that the dev of XC claims to have a solution that is both more decentralized than Darksend (doesn't require masternodes), and is just as secure. How does that actually work? All I've heard so far are Xtunnels and Xnodes. I'm sorry but that sounds like XBullshit to me.

If graduate students researching this stuff for months and years are still working on getting Zerocash launched in the next few months, it seems unbelievable that a single man (who had to hire loljosh to dev the PoS portion of the coin and possibly more) has single-handedly come up with groundbreaking technology in this field well ahead of schedule.

I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong, but there is a serious lack of transparency here and investors are at great risk in this market that is rife with corruption, false promises and scams. I truly hope that this technology is for real, it would be ground breaking and exciting, but until it has been thoroughly vetted people need to stop hyping it up as if it is already safe to use.

Anonymity is not a toy. People trust their lives to anonymity. It must be fool proof, perfect, impervious to years and decades of future scrutiny and attempts at hacks and manipulation. I would argue that cryptography is the single most complex and difficult art to master in all of academia. It is the art of perfect secrecy, perfect trustlessness, elegant in its design and only the most genius of minds are worthy of such an endeavor. The significance of this undertaking cannot be overestimated.

I agree with your points about anonymity is not a joke and takes time and detailed discussions and constructive criticism to get right.

loljosh coin is only 3 weeks old and they are claiming to have the silver bullet to anonymity and that their dev is a godsend....I don't understand why people aren't seeing the warning signs over the dollar signs until its too late. The dev does not want to engage into any technical discussions and has formed a cult / ring of back patters to shield himself from the community.

Darkcoin has been through countless iterations of design scrutineers over several months to ensure we have the best possible solution with the technology we have available today. I mean look at this response today from the DRK dev in comparison to loljoshcoin dev.

DRK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627349.msg7073643#msg7073643

loljoshcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.msg7081319#msg7081319 (one liner saying, shhh its all fine)

And the biggest warning sign is from this message recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg7083238#msg7083238

There isnt even a fully working blockchain, properly tested anonymity and he cant even make commits on github and is talking about Retail and Market ATMs....wake up people, this is someone with little commercial and business experience and all about raising hype.

If this was a genuine attempt at improving anonymity without riding on DRK's tail to get some attention, and had something genuine to offer, I would be all for collaboration to get the best possible results.
962  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 02, 2014, 06:47:28 AM
Yeah that top wallet has got to be cryptsy.

My bet is one wallet is either cryptsy/mintpal....the other is bitfinex
963  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 02, 2014, 05:23:48 AM
The level of discussion quality here is 100x better than the moderated thread.

In there its all "this is the best thing in the universe omg omg"

denial is a bitch
964  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 02, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
The dev has absolutely no idea. How vague and ambiguous can you be in a response???

As a holder of Darkcoin, I'm very interested in competitors claiming to achieve the same goal.

So far what I've seen from the xc dev when faced with a technical question has been very unsettling.
It really does seem like he is just using persuasive words (Paradigm) to demonstrate the illusion of progress.

Earlier in this thread a member broke the "anonymity" of this coin with 5 minutes examining the block explorer. Which really isn't too surprising considering the dev is not able to use github correctly.

As of right now with the mandatory update, the coin is forked.

This crypto is really all just a hype train. Looking at lolJoshCoin (xc coin) it proves no innovation as a true anonymous cryptocurrency and in my own personal opinion, the dev is a shame making promises such as Visa and Mastercard integration along with the anonymity.

It's a real shame considering someone with prostate cancer is trusting the dev with unconditional support.

After the enormous rise in marketcap for Darkcoin, this weeks flavor of the month is apparently anonymity. Good luck with your investments.


Good read, coins are just trying to ride on Darkcoin's fame by creating false promises...bankcoin,libertycoin,xc..

Hit the nail on the head - If I had $1 for every time the dev used the word multi-path paradigm - id be a rich man....then again who the hell even knows what this is from a technical view.

I have not seen a single technical or in depth deep discussion on anything from this coin - just buzz words - and I dont think the dev is capable of one. Anonymint/eduffield would tear him to shreds.

I feel very sorry for the people who have spent money on this they can't afford to lose.


965  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 02, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

It's gone now.  The same thing happened last time they did this - word got out and they removed all the DRK references.

so far, every time it reappears it's more and more visible, hopefully testing!

Anyone want to make a guess on when they make a formal announcement.

I have no doubts anymore - its definitely on bitfinex - just when.
966  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 01, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.

Lol, good luck with your uber hax skillz /facepalm


Can someone explain if that is a potential risk?

I know it's probably FUD, but it seems somewhat "logic", anyone to explain?

He wants people to sell XC and buy DRK, read his previous posts. XC and DRK are the two strongest anon Alts. XC appears to be developing tech very quickly however. Oh, someone already stole 1000 DRK, so people should not be throwing stones.



There is no risk, the trust system is designed to prevent this and other potential attack vectors

Isnt the point of this crypto to be "trustless" - not trust...the minute you place trust in an entity - the decentralization aspect of the coin diminishes.


The dev has absolutely no idea. How vague and ambiguous can you be in a response???

Stealth, you are correct in stating that originally crypto was intended to be a trustless and decentralized system, but drk masternodes are another example of relying on some centralization and trusting these nodes to not become "bad actors". This tech is constantly evolving, let us not throw stones in glass houses.  

Yes but with Dark, the bad actor scenarios have been well discussed and resolved with decentralization & a "trust-less" architecture still in place.

If XC goes down this path of a " Dynamically Learning Trust" rating system for nodes, this is flawed and easily exploitable. (Even though the dev has so vaguely said "there is no risk")

I would suggest the dev goes back to rethink his approach.
967  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 01, 2014, 11:17:32 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.

Lol, good luck with your uber hax skillz /facepalm


Can someone explain if that is a potential risk?

I know it's probably FUD, but it seems somewhat "logic", anyone to explain?

He wants people to sell XC and buy DRK, read his previous posts. XC and DRK are the two strongest anon Alts. XC appears to be developing tech very quickly however. Oh, someone already stole 1000 DRK, so people should not be throwing stones.


There is no risk, the trust system is designed to prevent this and other potential attack vectors

Isnt the point of this crypto to be "trustless" - not trust...the minute you place trust in an entity - the decentralization aspect of the coin diminishes.


The dev has absolutely no idea. How vague and ambiguous can you be in a response???
968  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 11:14:21 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.

Lol, good luck with your uber hax skillz /facepalm


Can someone explain if that is a potential risk?

I know it's probably FUD, but it seems somewhat "logic", anyone to explain?

He wants people to sell XC and buy DRK, read his previous posts. XC and DRK are the two strongest anon Alts. XC appears to be developing tech very quickly however. Oh, someone already stole 1000 DRK, so people should not be throwing stones.


There is no risk, the trust system is designed to prevent this and other potential attack vectors

Isnt the point of this crypto to be "trustless" - not trust...the minute you place trust in an entity - the decentralization aspect of the coin diminishes.



969  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 11:01:42 PM

If only you had the brains to back your empty worthless statement up?

I feel sorry for you.

It's ok to admit you are scared shitless that XC is already over taking DRK's tech LOL.

What has taken DRK months and still isn't working, XC is already snapping at the heels! And when XC is finished the end product will be far superior... DDOS resistant, truly decentralised, encrypted etc.

Dump all your DRK and buy XC quick imo.

I never mentioned DRK nor do I want to in this thread.

I clearly called out an exploit?? Its time you all woke up from your dream of patting each other on the back all the time.
970  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.

Lol, a quick scan through your last posts shows school-girl optimism in the DRK thread and trollish criticism in XC.  I wonder if you have a hidden agenda?

Im just stating such an easy exploit that a large number of skilled people could execute.....Tell me im wrong?

You're wrong.

If only you had the brains to back your empty worthless statement up?

I feel sorry for you.
971  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 10:51:05 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.

Lol, a quick scan through your last posts shows school-girl optimism in the DRK thread and trollish criticism in XC.  I wonder if you have a hidden agenda?

Im just stating such an easy exploit that a large number of skilled people could execute.....Tell me im wrong?
972  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: June 01, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.
973  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 10:45:04 PM
"REV2 will have a solution to the bad actor problem.  Using a dynamic learning trust system"

Create Xnode - steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

steal coins.

Shutdown Xnode - Move Coins to new Xnode

Rinse, repeat.


Cant wait to get started.
974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: June 01, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
I know there are many XC investors who are curious of why the dev paid loljosh 0.7btc.  I have seen some posts from XC'ers asking about it and within minutes it gets deleted.  

He bought premium homegrown hydroponic marijuana, a few grams of pure cocaine and threw a party. A jealous neighbor that wasnt invited to appreciate all that delicious coke started spreading FUD from that day on.

Yes i can testify that this is true because i was at the party.

I for one really would like an honest answer from the XC dev to close this once and for all.

The answers have been so vague like he is trying to hide something. "No I didn't pay loljosh for the Xnode code". That's not what we are asking.

Did you pay loljosh 0.7btc to provide you with anything directly or in-directly associated with this coin. Yes or No. If yes, provide details.  

If it was 0.7btc to buy some beer from him, the no worries.

If it was to provide the code base for the coin to work I.e coingen. We as investors have a right To know.

Thank you and look forward to your response.



Can you please add this to the list of questions.
Thanks



Bump so this does not get lost
975  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 11:54:23 PM
I know there are many XC investors who are curious of why the dev paid loljosh 0.7btc.  I have seen some posts from XC'ers asking about it and within minutes it gets deleted.  

He bought premium homegrown hydroponic marijuana, a few grams of pure cocaine and threw a party. A jealous neighbor that wasnt invited to appreciate all that delicious coke started spreading FUD from that day on.

Yes i can testify that this is true because i was at the party.

I for one really would like an honest answer from the XC dev to close this once and for all.

The answers have been so vague like he is trying to hide something. "No I didn't pay loljosh for the Xnode code". That's not what we are asking.

Did you pay loljosh 0.7btc to provide you with anything directly or in-directly associated with this coin. Yes or No. If yes, provide details.  

If it was 0.7btc to buy some beer from him, the no worries.

If it was to provide the code base for the coin to work I.e coingen. We as investors have a right To know.

Thank you and look forward to your response.



Can you please add this to the list of questions.
Thanks

976  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 11:36:25 PM

Thank you. But you are not the dev. I will wait for an honest answer from him.


What do you think he's going to say? It's pretty obvious he paid loljosh to set the coin up to get him started. I would imagine he wanted the quickest route to getting started (though he has 2 decades of programming experience, he is likely new to crypto coding).

I think the fact that atcsecure is way further along than DRK was at this point shows this guy can code and has a solution which is fruitful. Hell it's not impossible XC tech could overtake DRK within a month as DRK is still trying to sort out the masternode forking issue.

Again I will wait for an official response from the dev

I don't think you understand the ramifications of stating that x11coin is a coingen

I don't think you understand what I said. Atcsecure has done all the coding to make the code anonymous. This has been peer reviewed as unique to Xcoin.

I couldn't give a monkeys who did the copy/paste parts to set the coin up to start with. Atcsecure is the one who's put all of his expertise into making it work the way it does on the testnet.

What you fail to understand is the XC dev's anonymous code is underpinned by the code that loljosh has written. Loljoshs code is known to be bad quality. So your comments are flawed.

I will again wait for an official response by the dev team.


977  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 11:23:45 PM

Thank you. But you are not the dev. I will wait for an honest answer from him.


What do you think he's going to say? It's pretty obvious he paid loljosh to set the coin up to get him started. I would imagine he wanted the quickest route to getting started (though he has 2 decades of programming experience, he is likely new to crypto coding).

I think the fact that atcsecure is way further along than DRK was at this point shows this guy can code and has a solution which is fruitful. Hell it's not impossible XC tech could overtake DRK within a month as DRK is still trying to sort out the masternode forking issue.

Again I will wait for an official response from the dev

I don't think you understand the ramifications of stating that x11coin is a coingen
978  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 11:09:12 PM
I know there are many XC investors who are curious of why the dev paid loljosh 0.7btc.  I have seen some posts from XC'ers asking about it and within minutes it gets deleted.  

He bought premium homegrown hydroponic marijuana, a few grams of pure cocaine and threw a party. A jealous neighbor that wasnt invited to appreciate all that delicious coke started spreading FUD from that day on.

Yes i can testify that this is true because i was at the party.

I for one really would like an honest answer from the XC dev to close this once and for all.

The answers have been so vague like he is trying to hide something. "No I didn't pay loljosh for the Xnode code". That's not what we are asking.

Did you pay loljosh 0.7btc to provide you with anything directly or in-directly associated with this coin. Yes or No. If yes, provide details.  

If it was 0.7btc to buy some beer from him, the no worries.

If it was to provide the code base for the coin to work I.e coingen. We as investors have a right I know.

Thank you and look forward to your response.



I don't think so, you takin your role in this game a little to important. if your not happy with whats already communicated go buy another coin. its not like you are a shareholder of a company providing liquidity here. you bought the product cause you speculate on its rise in value. nothing more.

This is already one of the most transparent and communicative coins. find a better one and invest there.

btw, i Think he bought a coin to look who he is up against, whats state of the Art. Perhaps he even took parts of it and build upon. i don't give a shit as long as the new stuff gets delivered.

This is the whole nature of speculation. if their would be a coin with all the best tech 100 % proven to be implemented, birth certificate by the dev and so on, not one single doubter. how you wanne get in cheap and early, the brave get rewarded

Thank you. But you are not the dev. I will wait for an honest answer from him.

979  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 11:05:25 PM
I know there are many XC investors who are curious of why the dev paid loljosh 0.7btc.  I have seen some posts from XC'ers asking about it and within minutes it gets deleted.  

He bought premium homegrown hydroponic marijuana, a few grams of pure cocaine and threw a party. A jealous neighbor that wasnt invited to appreciate all that delicious coke started spreading FUD from that day on.

Yes i can testify that this is true because i was at the party.

I for one really would like an honest answer from the XC dev to close this once and for all.

The answers have been so vague like he is trying to hide something. "No I didn't pay loljosh for the Xnode code". That's not what we are asking.

Did you pay loljosh 0.7btc to provide you with anything directly or in-directly associated with this coin. Yes or No. If yes, provide details.  

If it was 0.7btc to buy some beer from him, the no worries.

If it was to provide the code base for the coin to work I.e coingen. We as investors have a right To know.

Thank you and look forward to your response.



I think there is something ironic about people who are wanting a coin to hide your personal financial transactions demanding the dev show his.

Because this has a direct impact to many peoples decisions if they should invest in HIS coin. Anonymity is key for the solution. Transparency is what's required from the developer.
980  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XC][OFFICIAL] >> Mandatory Wallet Update - The first POS ANON on: May 31, 2014, 10:51:36 PM
I know there are many XC investors who are curious of why the dev paid loljosh 0.7btc.  I have seen some posts from XC'ers asking about it and within minutes it gets deleted.  

He bought premium homegrown hydroponic marijuana, a few grams of pure cocaine and threw a party. A jealous neighbor that wasnt invited to appreciate all that delicious coke started spreading FUD from that day on.

Yes i can testify that this is true because i was at the party.

I for one really would like an honest answer from the XC dev to close this once and for all.

The answers have been so vague like he is trying to hide something. "No I didn't pay loljosh for the Xnode code". That's not what we are asking.

Did you pay loljosh 0.7btc to provide you with anything directly or in-directly associated with this coin. Yes or No. If yes, provide details.  

If it was 0.7btc to buy some beer from him, the no worries.

If it was to provide the code base for the coin to work I.e coingen. We as investors have a right To know.

Thank you and look forward to your response.

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