To answer OP's question, or rather to reconfirm, yes just stick to standard signature campaigns on this forum in the normal Bitcoin Services section.

Don't fall for all those bounties that pay 100s of dollars in tokens. You know it yourself, these tokens never get listed, or if they do it's on some low volume exchange where you can't sell anything.

The services section appear to pay less, but at least it's in Bitcoin and that's always liquid. I have been only sticking to those services, and since it's a service I also like and use, I feel like I'm giving back value to the service, they're paying me for something I like and use, and I help the site grow at the same time.

This happens quite regularly, and I also have been a victim, where somebody used my account user name and even my Telegram username. That made me stop my old Telegram account and to this day I don't use it anymore.

It was my mistake a long time ago to submit details on a public spreadsheet. So any bounty participants now please take note: if the spreadsheet is public and reveals things like email or username on Telegram, just avoid it. You'll get so much spam later on.

Reporting it can be helpful too, so do your part if you see your name abused.

This is what I meant also in that it's not enough to attract people. 0 fee that lasts for a short while, even a few months, is not worth the time to move over funds into a new exchange, where the liquidity is not so high and coins are few. By the time coins are listed and liquidity is high, the 0 fee is over and then you end up with just the same costs as on another exchange.

So in the end, it's marketing, but can't be sustainable

I guess it's the death of decentralized exchanges, for the ones that tried to do on chain like Delta. Even though Ethereum can do many more transactions compared to Bitcoin, this is why dex cannot work on low tx capacity blockchains. Waves on the other hand so far no network problems but that's also because they have fewer tokens and some day when things pick up they might be the ones to have issues.

Dex must somehow learn to go off chain, this is all. Maybe Bitcoin and LN can provide a good platform for DEX on BTC network?

Honestly I don't really know what is so attractive with 0 fee. Most traders are probably like me, we trade Maximum 10 or 20 times a month, and then there are months when we don't trade at all.

Fees are already low 0.1%. If we do 100 trades in a year, ok that's 10% already. But seriously how many of us make 100 trades a year and and what total volume?

Of course it makes sense to save as much as you can. But if you have to buy some digital token to get 0 fees. Or you have to suffer low liquidity, bad customer service. Trust me, it's so not worth it.

I don't see the point of people banning something like plagiarism without proof. Do they earn more? No. The bounty allocation is fixed. So it doesn't matter if 10 or 1000 people earn it, they just get a bigger stake. And since the manager isn't the one earning, it's like on this forum. The managers cut out the cheaters and plagiarizers. They don't earn extra but they want the project they serve to get good value for bounty.

Every time in my experience I see people complain, it's because they got caught. I've participated in so many signature campaigns, and even have been warned by a manager once or twice to change how I post, so I change and improve and that's good. But I see people who complain and look myself, and see... they're claiming better quality than they have.

I've seen the bounty list where there are 10,000 people participating in just one program. Are they supposed to provide screenshots for all 10,000 people? You can see yourself in this forum, plagiarism is banned and there are no screenshots. It's just bad for quality of forum or project if people are just rewriting stuff or worse, copypasting.

They're definitely not useful for proper investment decisions, but they can be a good idea to learn something about what's going on. Sort of like, just to catch up with what's out there.

Mainly because they're paid to list those reviews, if they're not paid then they're posting those reviews to earn bounties. So either way, you know they're saying something good, or can't say something too bad, or they won't get paid or not get enough bounties.

They're ok for finding websites, channels, etc. But nothing you can't find on your own.

You're kidding. Or fantasizing. Altcoins were made for the benefit of advance technologies? Take a look around the altcoin Announcement threads. Take the first 20 you see.

99% are tokens with no technology. 0 technology. They're using Ethereum protocols and technology.

Even altcoins with their own blockchain and protocols aren't really any superior to Bitcoin. And that's proven when they start having problems, get 51% attacked... etc.

OP you should update us here on the game. A few of us are curious, but naturally want to learn more about how the game works before trying it. FOMO3d ended and had the second round started a few days ago so I guess the lesson is that it does work so the model can somehow apply, just to see now if it can be sustainable. Popcoin model sounded good on paper too but if you can share statistics and all that, we can learn together.

Anybody won that first seeded round yet?

Hello Bitvest! Almost daily player here, just wanted to report that last month I made my first withdrawal and this is when I actually realized that BV is the only site I play at with instant withdrawal. As in, I requested a withdrawal, entered my password... next 2 seconds a TX id appeared.

Not saying this is better than other sites, but every other site I play at processes it quickly too, but have to wait maybe 5 or 10 mins before I see tx id.

Our thread here needs to show how active the damn community on bv really is. Love you all!

Sorry I did not see this response earlier and yes I can access that page now. That is a huge amount in user accounts, I thought savings was what people put into freebitco.in as interest-earning deposits, but now I know.

That is even a bigger bankroll that one casino I play at every day! By a few Bitcoins of course, since the bankroll dipped by 10% recently from some big win.

Over $8 million dollars. I can't believe any other faucet site can speak of this type of amount, and Bitcoin isn't even half of ATH.

Thank you FrueGreads! It's a shame that we don't really have more of these types of community votings. And I know it's so hard to maintain and keep updated but there are quite a few of us who bet on sports and every little bit of edge helps even though there are just a handful of Bitcoin bookies to choose from. I will update my experience when I remember!

@JollyGood this is a rating thread so cast your vote if you want, otherwise people can make up their own minds on other reviews and experience.

Exactly my thoughts. Burnley were last season's surprise hit, and remember that they started so well and then that form ran out later, so perhaps it is a case of the opposite this season. You don't want to play a team like Burnley at home, you know they will defend and hit you on the odd chance every time they can break. Tired by Sunday? No way. You don't need 1 week at this level to recover.

And this is talking about the home team. The away team, United, have lost 2 games home and away, both completely unexpected in the scoreline and the way they played.

Thanks to earnadoge for sharing that information. I wonder if investing in the dividend tokens early or late has a difference, as in, do you earn a share of dividends from the point onwards of investing or do you only get it once the round is over? I assume it is based on regular distribution of the pot, in which case if you get in early and people start playing more you earn more?

Strange results, but yes, experimenting with smart contracts and gambling is interesting. I guess I can conclude at least now if you don't have that much Ether, better not to play!

Exactly. People need to realize they're all barking up the wrong tree talking about things like zero transaction fees or low fees and millions of transactions per second. Bitcoin may not have that now, but they fail to see that Bitcoin saw all this coming, and is slowly but surely developing and moving towards that direction.

Scaling is always what is happening with Bitcoin, it meets the needs mentioned in the title: globally accepted money. Fees are always low relatively and it is slowly upgrading capacity to handle more.

What is the point of 1 billion TPS if nobody accepts it globally?

Well this is what, the fourth? Fifth? Sixth time this year I keep seeing "market is green again and bull is back" comments. I don't know. Too tired to get lied to again, so I'll just assume this is another short rally that will disappear as soon as either some bad news happens or people want to take more profits.

I managed to get into a few good alts to increase current portfolios so I'm not unhappy with myself in this period. Uptrend to turn into bull run? Don't think so yet. People still want short term profits.

I couldn't agree more that there were too many ICOs. Remember that a lot of these ICOs, most of them only asked for money in crypto. So in effect, you had people buying up Ether to invest in ICOs, which caused demand and price increase, I believe even Bitcoin benefited from this early in 2017 when ICOs were still mainly asking for BTC. But as most later ICOs were ERC20, they asked for ETH and this drove it up.

Then all those tokens cashed in, they all crashed, and people were having more ETH distributed towards ICO bags.

Bad cycle that needs to end.

It's not an elaborate scam. I do agree there are some ethical issues here but only because they've named this exit scam and FOMO, but there is a clear winner and it's all smart contract so if you believe you have the bags of money to risk, and pit yourself against other big bags of money, it's essentially a gambling game.

And if you don't want to gamble on winning but gamble on the greed of others, then you purchase the option of sharing dividends, as player above demonstrated by buying the "dividend" tokens.

You know, this was an example of just how stubborn Mourinho is. I'm not saying they played completely defensively as everyone expected them to do, they actually didn't and so many close chances and almost converting in the first minute, so don't anyone say that this team didn't want to win it. But I would say that they only really went for it after being down.

They were slow to attack, moved only faster after needing to score to draw. That is what frustrates to watch this team. I predicted 3-2 and should have been right!

Spurs weren't that good, actually! Just got their goals. 3-0 is not really how the game looked. But no excuses for United who spends 64 million this season, who have superstars in their team, super manager. Lose at your home ground this big, to a London team!

Yes, that was the small issue also, I deposited once and realized it was not enough to withdraw. They should make that clear, or at least withdrawal should be same amount as deposit.

Or, take it both ways like you said. Make withdrawal limits with fees. So maybe 0.01 BTC and above free, and maybe 0.001 and above small fee like 5k satoshi. I think just making it 0.001 BTC is ok because that is not such a small amount! Hope they are reading this!