The problem is not muslims but radical islam muslims. You need to understand that not all muslims are radicals and that terrorist acts are made by radical fundamentalists that don't necessarily need to be muslims.
This is wrong. "Radical fundamentalism" exist only in heads of Jew owned Mass Media for selling to You or brainwashing as News. You need study what is salafi and why is in direct contrary with Quran. Can you restate that without the Jew Hate shit and try to make it understandable? Because I don't have any idea how you can claim that radical fundamentalism does not exist. Thanks. |
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I assume you meant "Islam is pure non violence." That's a lie. Everyone educated about Islam's history knows it's a lie. Islam has been violent since the days of Mohammed. The modern Jihadists are closest to following Mohammed's example.
Yes Islam, besides the fact its a cult, is by no means peaceful to those that do not accept their beliefs. Anyone who utters this should be disqualified from the discussion: Modwin! Christianity once was the same but that's so long ago that I forget when it was exactly, or maybe I've been enjoying my relative freedom too much. and you think other religions aren't? violence is endemic in human nature, Christians, Buddhists and jews alike are/ have the potential to be violent, dont blame a single race or religious following for being violent when you are guilty of the same thing No we are not guilty of the same things. Moral equivalency is a lie. http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
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France and now Russia? Jesus. Have some respect.
In the past, aggressors that have launched 2 front wars where one side was attacking Russia have not exactly fared well. (Hitler, Napoleon.....) |
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I think I understand. But could you translate a bit? |
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http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacked-police-hunt-accomplices-065411619.htmlAn interesting comment there, posted about 3 hours ago, if someone cares to scroll through them all: I have known for months that something like this was in the making. These events were almost certainly organized and/or provocateured by one or more intelligence agencies.....
This whole program of endless war, profiteering and plunder goes directly back to the mother of all false flag operations - 9/11. .... And there we go, more conspiracy theories.... |
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If European countries wanted to help real refugees who live in danger in the Islamic World, they should accept ex-Muslims (those who've left the Muslim faith). As a bonus, it would be importing people who aren't total morons who blindly follow a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile warrior.
It is true that non-Muslims face more risks when compared to the Muslims in the Middle East. But how will you find out whether a person is ex-Muslim or not? People will lie that they are ex-Muslim, just to gain an EU residence permit. I have heard of incidents from Germany, where Muslim immigrants nominally convert to Christianity before submitting their asylum claims. In the claim, they will argue that they have left Islam, and therefore they face death if they are sent back to their home country. But once the claim is processed, these people will rejoin the Islamic faith. Show them a drawing of Mohammed. If they get angry, drop them back in ISIS-land to get what they deserve. For extra security, ask them to eat a slice of delicious bacon. For starters, the question is not "how do we deal with these masses of refugees from Syria?" The question is how many people to add to the rosters reviewing immigration requests, and how many to add to border control. Volunteers could help. Then the next question is whether to bend any rules to "help" in this (made up) "refugee crisis." Get the picture? |
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the main hatred of islam stems from the fact that it doesn't play well with other religions. and because people generalize it based on the radicals terrorists
Meaning all the problems with people hating Islam stem from Islam. Duhh.... ....
I never thought I "hated" Islam. I've spent some time since yesterday reevaluating.
I hate Islam. If you're Muslim, I hate you. I think you are either evil or ignorant or both. If you're ignorant of your religion, learn about it -- learn about it's dangerous bloody history -- and then try to find a safe way to leave it. If you do know about Islam and continue to believe in it, fuck you. You're a fucking Nazi and I hope you suffer the same fate the Nazis did. Seriously, fuck you.
I cannot get to your viewpoint because I know that if I was fighting against ISIS or any of the extremist Muslims, there would be serious, dedicated Muslim fighters alongside me. Or am I wrong about that? There may be serious dedicated fighters who believe they are Muslim, but they are not true Muslims -- they are not following Mohammed's example. The Jihadists are following Mohammed's example by trying to strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Most Muslims, like most Christians, are just average people who know almost nothing about their religion. I understand your point of view, but to me it simply indicates that Islam is a flawed belief system. Note, believers think it is a "perfect" system, but then their vision of Perfect varies wildly between sects. That is why I view it as algorithmically flawed, unless the various interpretations gravitate somehow toward a common central goal. |
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In such a mass of people certainly is a lot of ISIL fighters who in a very easy way entering into all European countries.Just imagine that this what happened last night to become something that happens every day,and considering how many possible terrorists are already in the EU we can not hope anything good. That is not so certain. I thought the actions of ISIS, militarily, were pretty smart. Take over oil wells and land and carve out a nation amidst weak middle eastern cultures. I think it's really stupid to revert to Al Queda style terror bombings. That will get them exterminated and yes it will get a lot of innocent civilians killed in the process. Such is war. They may have just jumped the shark. |
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pretty girl, ugly chinese government!!!
I am wondering if this so called Miss Canada stuff has been part of an anti-China campaign in disguise all along. I do agree with the Chinese gov that Falong is a bad cult. Talked to some of them. They have that glassy eyed stare... |
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pretty girl, ugly chinese government!!!
Wait...you mean the hordes of supposedly Syrian are NOT trying to get across the border into China? |
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You know, we should let all the criminals out of jail. Not many of them were rapists. We could spend our time and money better figuring out which of them were rapists than simply discriminating against all criminals and locking them up. Just because they were branded as criminals doesn't mean they are all bad, that's discrimination. There are all types. Some rape, some rob banks, some are completely innocent. Why are you so prejudiced?  Sorry I thought I was having a conversation. Instead I have been trolled. I should have known better. No you have not been trolled. Your argument has been satired. Your argument is basically, "It's all hopeless." If you want, I will show why that is a false allegation. |
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At no point did I or I think anyone in this thread say it would be a choice to kick existing Muslim citizens out of a country, as that is wrong. The countries that gave them citizenship cannot and should not go back on that.
My question was why accept more Muslims.
I am not a french citizen. I am a turkish citizen, I work in france and plan to apply for citizenship. It is besides the point too. There will be more people like me in the future. Who are highly qualified, some of them atheists or agnostics. And your idea of not letting new muslims into europe, will block these people also. If there are 100 men at a gate, and one has an AK47 and intends to empty his clip into innocent people, I certainly would not let those 100 people through that gate. End of Subject. |
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So 50 percent of your country supports people who think all non Muslims should die, and you don't think that is going to cause issues when you go to non Muslim countries?
But crime is an individual concept. I may come from a family of criminals. Unless I commit a crime, I can not be discriminated against. The government can watch me more carefully, but they have to treat me like everyone else. This is a universal principle of human rights. Even if 99% of Turks were homicidal maniacs, you can't argue that I am also one, unless you have reasonable evidence that I, "as an individual" may be one. There are actually many details. For instance ISIS guys are sunnis. Some people that flee from them are alevites or shiites. These are different sects of islam. But from the point of ISIS people (or those that support ISIS point of view) alevites and shiites are not muslims. So again, who decides, who is to be classified as muslim? There are also christians in Syria. There are agnostics. There are people who call themselves muslims, but drink alcohol. There are people who don't call themselves muslims but don't eat pork etc. There is a whole spectrum... So why waste all this effort to figure out who is a muslim and who is not instead of trying to figure out who poses a threat to France? You know, we should let all the criminals out of jail. Not many of them were rapists. We could spend our time and money better figuring out which of them were rapists than simply discriminating against all criminals and locking them up. Just because they were branded as criminals doesn't mean they are all bad, that's discrimination. There are all types. Some rape, some rob banks, some are completely innocent. Why are you so prejudiced? |
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At no point did I or I think anyone in this thread say it would be a choice to kick existing Muslim citizens out of a country, as that is wrong. The countries that gave them citizenship cannot and should not go back on that.
My question was why accept more Muslims.
I am not a french citizen. I am a turkish citizen, I work in france and plan to apply for citizenship. It is besides the point too. There will be more people like me in the future. Who are highly qualified, some of them atheists or agnostics. And your idea of not letting new muslims into europe, will block these people also. You have a naivity about the reality of war. As an example look at the Spanish Civil War. A man walked into a village and was asked "Are you a Catholic, or a Communist?" If you answered the wrong way, you got shot. If you answered the right way, you were enlisted in that side's army. That's the way it is. All you'll get for your nuanced intellectual talk is a boot in the face. "Europe is smarter, wiser and more tolerant now." No, it does seem they are totally stupid fucks. ....Racism actually is not necessarily a problem in itself. But europe has had experience with it, and has decided to never practice it again. Because it doesn't work, and it causes massive social issues. I think the institutional policy against racism is part of the effort to not go down that road again.
Actually no, the evidence is of continual and rising anti-Semitism in Europe. Who are you to say there is "an effort to not go down that road again?" |
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I wanna add some,
Just think about future. If you don't hold place in people's hearts and minds; you will be completely forgotten in 300 years. Even everyone remembers you will be dead. So actually, life race in many ways is meaningless because we die physically also die when we don't get remembered.
Technology plays good role in second stage, uploading people into pcs. So there may be no real death.
This is true. If we invent something, that will be remembered, if not we will all be forgotten. Which is kinda sad but it's the truth, i've always had this one question in my mind as to why do I exist? What's our purpose if our life is meaningless? Bah. Go stand on a street corner. In a downtown. How many peoples' work do you see? |
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I commint that i look younger wife (18-25 yr).
You "commint that i look younger wife"? I suppose "commint" is intended to be the verb of that sentence. Maybe I can determine its meaning from "that i look younger wife" -- does this mean you're looking at your young wife -- that you look like your young wife -- Ah, I think I got it. You're looking for a younger wife (18-25). Maybe "commint" was intended as "comment." So maybe you meant: I comment that I'm looking for a younger wife (18-25 years old). Well, at least you're not looking for a 9 year old wife like Mohammed. Well, I suggest you look for a Muslim wife since you need someone gullible enough to believe you're not a total fucking idiot. Muslims are so gullible they believe a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile terrorist was God's messenger. Given that, I'd say you have a good shot at convincing one of them you're Einstein. Im not racist.
Maybe he means "commit," like getting a younger wife is a sin.  It's not related to the discusison, but I am curious what he mean "I commint that i look younger wife." Is this an admission of guilt of a failing, or just a wish of what may be? |
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I don't understand how Europeans decided it was a good idea to accept muslim immigrants and asylum seekers, refugees etc etc
can someone explain to me the thought process of how local Europeans and their governments decided being over run by muslims was a good strategy for the future of Europe?
I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.
The answer is that it is not the doing of the European people and governments... that they accept Muslims. The answer is that God is working it. Islam says that you are saved for eternal life by your works. Christianity (in which Europe is steeped) say that you are saved by the grace of God through faith In Jesus Christ - the truth. God is causing severe unrest in the lands of Islam, so that the Muslims flee to, where else? the lands of the Christians. He is doing this because part of His ancient, Old Testament writings say that He will show favor to the descendants of Ishmael. The time for the return of Jesus is imminent. The Muslims must be given their chance. God is driving the Muslims to the Christians, because Muslims (as a whole) would not accept the Christian missionaries He tried to send them over the hundreds of years since the inception of Islam. Christian 7th century medieval bullshit. Bah. |
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I never thought I "hated" Islam. I've spent some time since yesterday reevaluating.
I hate Islam. If you're Muslim, I hate you. I think you are either evil or ignorant or both. If you're ignorant of your religion, learn about it -- learn about it's dangerous bloody history -- and then try to find a safe way to leave it. If you do know about Islam and continue to believe in it, fuck you. You're a fucking Nazi and I hope you suffer the same fate the Nazis did. Seriously, fuck you.
I cannot get to your viewpoint because I know that if I was fighting against ISIS or any of the extremist Muslims, there would be serious, dedicated Muslim fighters alongside me. Or am I wrong about that? No, you are not wrong about that. .... That's all there is then. By snipping the remainder of your assertions I mean no disrespect. I and others would simply argue and discuss the merits of the issues and persuade those who are stuck in 7th century thought patterns otherwise. This is possible, we will all agree. |
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Hello,
Even terrorism is western contrys own fault. I dont wanna people to die. I just wanna do my work and spend and trade my payroll money on bitcoins. Im looking for work on weekends, im smart guy. I commint that i look younger wife (18-25 yr). Im not racist.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Just for the record, I know I'm either responding to an idiot or a troll. But here goes. Even terrorism is western contrys own fault.
Bullshit. That's like blaming a rape victim for being raped. It's like blaming the Pagans in Mecca for Mohammed and his followers destroying their religions and killing them. Western countries have made mistakes (like importing millions of Muslims and showing respect to the Nazi-like religion of Islam), but it's the Nazis Jihadis who are at fault for these attacks. And is it even possible that you think "countries" is spelled "contrys"? Maybe this is what the sentence "Obvious troll is obvious" is supposed to mean. I dont wanna people to die.
Then how about protesting cemeteries dumbass. I just wanna do my work and spend and trade my payroll money on bitcoins.
Then maybe you should work instead of writing fucking nonsense posts on forums. Im looking for work on weekends, im smart guy.
Yes, you seem like a real fucking genius. Hey, I have a job for you this weekend. Go learn about the life of Mohammed and then go meet Muslims and tell them what you learned. And please livestream the video. I need a good laugh. I commint that i look younger wife (18-25 yr).
You "commint that i look younger wife"? I suppose "commint" is intended to be the verb of that sentence. Maybe I can determine its meaning from "that i look younger wife" -- does this mean you're looking at your young wife -- that you look like your young wife -- Ah, I think I got it. You're looking for a younger wife (18-25). Maybe "commint" was intended as "comment." So maybe you meant: I comment that I'm looking for a younger wife (18-25 years old). Well, at least you're not looking for a 9 year old wife like Mohammed. Well, I suggest you look for a Muslim wife since you need someone gullible enough to believe you're not a total fucking idiot. Muslims are so gullible they believe a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile terrorist was God's messenger. Given that, I'd say you have a good shot at convincing one of them you're Einstein. Im not racist.
Hey, you spelled "racist" correctly. Well done! I already reply in another thread also. Please don't see all muslims in way jihadist. they are doing voilence even i agree but I slam is pure non voilence where you can find way for pious and godly things with good belief. please don't estimate all in same view.In a country, or a culture, half of population is males, and perhaps 10% of the males are in the ages and health to be in the army. Of the men in a country or religion's army, a maximum of 10% are on the front lines or are actually fighting. Now let's add it up. 50% * 10% * 10% = one in every two hundred. So 199 out of 200 can say they are peaceful, and their culture isn't violent, right? 199 can say "we are pure non violence and we are pious and godly and with good belief." But you see, this is a lie. All 200 are complicit and guilty in the scheme which produces the 1 of violence. Now if you want (and I have no problem with this) you can argue that the above argument only applies to a small fraction of ... blah blah blah. But don't expect people to believe you. |
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the main hatred of islam stems from the fact that it doesn't play well with other religions. and because people generalize it based on the radicals terrorists
Meaning all the problems with people hating Islam stem from Islam. Duhh.... ....
I never thought I "hated" Islam. I've spent some time since yesterday reevaluating.
I hate Islam. If you're Muslim, I hate you. I think you are either evil or ignorant or both. If you're ignorant of your religion, learn about it -- learn about it's dangerous bloody history -- and then try to find a safe way to leave it. If you do know about Islam and continue to believe in it, fuck you. You're a fucking Nazi and I hope you suffer the same fate the Nazis did. Seriously, fuck you.
I cannot get to your viewpoint because I know that if I was fighting against ISIS or any of the extremist Muslims, there would be serious, dedicated Muslim fighters alongside me. Or am I wrong about that? |
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