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Good luck to all victims! Those are pretty high numbers :O.
Right now we're at 50+ victims / €500.000+ after only 4 days. And I don't think we're at the end just yet. In the meantime, there's a new help forum for the BTC24 victims located at: http://bitcoin24-support.boards.net/#category-1 |
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Bumping this one more time for all potential BTC24 victims
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I would also like to mention that there will be weekly Google hangouts discussing the progress. To learn about this, drop an email to btc24.refund <AT> gmail .Dot. com |
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Thank you for all the response till thus far!
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Today I and many forum members had a Hangout-session and we have decided to send an official statement to RDP (Simon's lawyers) to release funds to ratio of all funds that is available. The official message is as following: Dear Christian Röhl,
We had a meeting with bitcoin-24 clients signed below.
Based on your latest statement as provided on October 10th, 2013 we are writing this official reply. In the latest statement there was mentioning of 3 options. These options were:
1. No payouts until conclusive release of all monies
2. Once information and file scrutiny shall have been made available, payouts of audited
and legitimate claims
3. Payout to all customers of an amount derived from a specific ratio. This ratio corresponds
to the relationship of the released portion of the monies to the confiscated
portion of the monies. Allocation of the remaining amounts following release
of the monies
We hereby would like to publicly state that we are in favor of option #3.
We would also like to state that we insist on having a solid identification system in place as to reduce any risk of money launders trying to claim a portion of the funds.
Below you will find a list of BTC24 clients that agree on the above statement and wish action to be taken as swift as possible.
CENSORED_NAME €99.000
CENSORED_NAME €15.000
CENSORED_NAME €44.000
CENSORED_NAME €3.500
CENSORED_NAME €15.000
CENSORED_NAME €7.000
CENSORED_NAME €400
Sincerly
If you agree with this message and would like your name added, send an e-mail to btc24.refund *<AT>* gmail -dot- com with your full name and amount of money due. The more people sign this, the quicker we will see action! Proof that this is not a scam: http://board.btc24-help.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=216Could this -pretty please- be made sticky? Thank you! |
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From a victim of "misunderstanding" regarding money laundering, Simon now turned into a scammer of almost 30k btc. He could've done at least some symbolic steps to show his intention of returning the btc, such as opening a page showing account balances and the possibility of his customers to initiate a withdrawal request, even if only to keep records of it.
+1 A page to check balances would be really a good gesture, and more frequent communication. Agreed; is Simon currently in custody or something? The deafening silence doesn't bode very well... |
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This is looking grim. Poor communication, refusal to take blame for what happened. Not returning BTC.
You're entitled to your oppinion ofcourse, but writing these kinds of messages (you've already conveyed your message multiple times in this thread) aren't really constructive to the thread. Try to keep faith and think in solutions/actions we can take, rather than freaking out. Edit: Just so you know, I have a 5-figure sum at stake here. |
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Hmm, so then back when he created BTC24 and it was still a very small website with few subscribers it probably looked like a good idea to keep things simple and just use his personal account to keep the customers' money, but as things ramped up and the operation got much bigger it started to look very suspicious that he kept treating it like a personal account and making cash withdrawals from it whenever he wanted.
If I got things right. (I'm pretty sure he said something about some cash withdrawals which he felt completely entitled to.)
Just to set you straight here. Simon was perfectly entitled to those cash withdrawals, they were the % fees he charged for cash transfers. They are his only source of income related to btc24. Which makes me wonder, WHY does he withdraw it from his business account directly? Rather than transfering it to his private account and then withdrawing it. First thing that comes to my mind is tax evasion? Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to me. Also.. does this mean that he has a pincard to withdraw cash from an account that has €5MIO+?? |
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The delays are specifically because we do the things which bitcoin24 did not do that got them in trouble.
You're probably talking about the quoted text? If so, I think it's just "trying to force an open door" and a good excuse to keep someone at bay. The only one who knows what really is going on is Simon. Without news from him, we don't know $hit |
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The pastebin holds a lot of information! 5 million has been frozen in Poland.. but apparantly there is a back-up account which has about 2 million. Also: <TAiS46> Casimir1904 / all: if they really froze the bank account for 3 month! I will sell my private bitcoins for you money. I will think about, how I will handle it. maybe that the user can only exchange some % of their money to BTC … but i must also ask my lawyer what he says about this. .. I think a lot of hysteric people misjudged this guy... So does this mean that all Bitcoins will be safe and some % of money will be safe? If I do simple math, the bitcoins are 100% safe while with Euro's you now have a ~50% guarantee dependant on how quickly the polish bank opens up. While I'm still worried what course this polish bank affaire will go, he mentioned he can still withdraw USD's and polish money. If that really is the case, then I expect it to be cleared soon and no later than 3 months max. Which is a lot ofcourse, but I heard some guy mentioning 5-10 years.. which would be a horror scenario. Anyhow, if the withdrawals for USD/PLN's are indeed succesfull, then I expect this to blow over very soon. |
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The pastebin holds a lot of information! 5 million has been frozen in Poland.. but apparantly there is a back-up account which has about 2 million. Also: <TAiS46> Casimir1904 / all: if they really froze the bank account for 3 month! I will sell my private bitcoins for you money. I will think about, how I will handle it. maybe that the user can only exchange some % of their money to BTC … but i must also ask my lawyer what he says about this. .. I think a lot of hysteric people misjudged this guy... |
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our engine is checking the account balance before withdrawing. with this issues we had, the orders are not succeeded completely. But the users has seen it in their accounts.
tonight we are working on a withdrawing page. I hope that I can publish it tomorrow in the day.
dollars and bitcoins withdrawals will be allowed asap, before EUR withdrawing, because only the EUR bank account is closed, not the USD, GBP and PLN.
There you can also see, that I (Simon Hausdorf) have no problems with the government. It is only the bank account wich has problems! If I had problems, they should also close my private bank account and also the BTC24 Limited USD, GBP AND PLN Bank accounts on the same bank!
source: http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46/comments/He seems rather active today. He also wrote a German reply; my german is a bit rusty but I believe he is using the same lawyers MtGox is using in Poland. Next to that, he plans to sue for loss of income..but we already knew about that plan. I'm getting slightly more hopefull. I hope when this shit does gets solved, everyone spreading FUD will have the damn courtesy to give him a donation. |
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I still believe he's doing all that's in his power to solve it.
I´m giving him the benefit of the doubt, but he really should have himself a crashcourse in communication. +1000 on that. |
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If the bitcoin community is a good reflection of real life stock brokers, then I can see why the slightest amount of FUD causes so much turmoil on the reallife exchanges. Just look at what happend with Gox a couple of days ago.. if everyone would've kept their cool for a while, instead of all the hysteria, stuff usually, works out.
The only one who knows whats going on is Simon, and while I agree he should give more information, I still believe he's doing all that's in his power to solve it.
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I hope I'm not spamming this chat but here's more info I digged up. Just posted a few seconds ago. -tell us how much money (in btc or $) that was lost due to the buggy engine
-tell us when you will have finished the roll back of transactions and what will be the policy
-tell us when we can start withdrawing our money
-stop talking about your bank accounts problems for a while
-stop whining about the german governement (you are faulty)
-give us updates often (at least once per day)
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-all double trades where reset.
-I can't. If I give you a date, you insist on it. My lawyer told me the same
-Ok, so I will not talk again about banks and when they open the bank account again.
-I am not. My lawyer is saying the same. They have no right to close my bank account
-I am trying it as you can see!
I can understand his point of view... if he tells us a date and he can't make it, everyone will be pissed^10 ...which actually is hard to imagine seeing how angry everyone is already... |
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Apparantly, according to the following facebook post, Simon posted a little while ago mentioning the roll-back is succesful and he is waiting for the polish bank. https://www.facebook.com/bitcoin.24/posts/622449231101962?comment_id=7172850Edit: New post by Simon http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46/my lawyer is saying, which information i can give to you. also that I can't publish a ETA when we are online again. But when I say, we are back on friday, and we are not back on friday, I have much more problems.
Edit 2: Another one hey, it is ok to go to the police or your own lawyer. at this moment it would also help us, to make a collective suit to the banks and german government.
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On friday, I was ok to give the guy time to sort things out.
Today, i'm starting to feel a bit more angry.
Simon: do your database rollback, check for duplicates manually, reconcile your accounts and see how many bitcoins you can give back to people. We all hope not more than 10% of our bitcoins have been lost in your fucked up engine.
As for the money, as said before I had 21,000 EUR there.
My feeling is that the money is safe, but lost. On such events, banks usually freeze the money for years. Most of the time, they never give it back until a court order has been given to give the money back. It can take 5-10 years for this to happen.
Why so long? |
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I understand everyone is fucked up about the situation. I also have a five figure stake at Bitcoin24; but I do believe the guy running it is honest. His decisions have just been poor. Reading all his messages at: http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46 gives me the idea he's doing his best. He mentioned he'd come back with some answers today, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. The last thing he needs are lawsuits on top of this pile of shit. I just can't believe he's having a comfortable sleep over this; not with all his details out on public and all. My guess is that the cause of this is indeed some kind of AML-issue. If this is indeed the case, wouldn't this be settled when all accounts are verified via propper ID? |
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New post from tais46, 8 minutes ago: objection is send to the PL government! hope to get the bank account open this week. but I am sure we can clear this. I can't say a date, sorry for that.
I believe this guy is really working his butt off to clear stuff up; he's a little bit naieve though. I trust him but I don't trust the banks he's doing business with though... |
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