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Blazed and Minerjones are excellent escrows, you can't say that Lauda is easily manipulated, never bring him down again. It is just that Lauda unveiled a lot of scam projects, this is why many people doesn't appreciate him.
The address is updated on the website. But as we haven't finished exchanging the other coins, we wait to get the final result to announce it publicly.
Feel free to verify it : 354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf
For the rest, i came from bitcointalk, i am a bitcointalk member, i was a bitcointalk member a long time before been engaged into NVO, i am feeling home here, i know that many projects came to bitcointalk, made money, and went out.
Also, when i work, i use a computer, bitcointalk is constantly open so it doesn't bother with my time. I also have friends on the forum with whom we exchange about different issues using PMs, so i have to check it often.
Ok I take it back about Lauda, I don't know him so it's not fair for me to assume what I just said. Also haven't been around the forum so long, and I guess you know more about the trust than me. All I'm saying use your time to be constructive on the forum, attacking other projects for no reason apart from personal issues doesn't seem well spent time. Not sure how old you are but surely and hopefully you'll grow out of this urge to pester Enjin. If it was a scam I'd understand but it ain't. It's just sad to see. Thanks for adding the escrow address to the website, you should also thank me for the reminder haha  |
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I just read the OP and I personally completely agree with cryptodevil.
When someone has 7, 10 years of experience in something, they must have some sort of presence on the web right? It doesn't even need to be social media(but hey, any professional should have some sort of social media to showcase their resume, e.g. linkedin), it can be mentions in other projects and whatnot.
IMO this is something that is overlooked time and time again, people assume that these are real people, without searching up the names themselves. And more and more ICOs are starting to do this...
It's like hiring someone on fiver to do your video, and in use their photo. It's done, just search it up. Ponzi scammers use it all the time to make themselves seem legit.
BTW, why is the sig campaign still running? Why hasn't Decoded stopped running it, even though there are obvious indicators that this may be a scam? I wouldn't go as far as tagging everyone advertising for Enjincoin, but the manager has to stop running the campaign when legitimate suspicions like this arise.
You just read the OP you didn't read the team comments, there is very good proof the team is real. Just read the thread properly don't just read one side of the story. It's all in this thread, nice and easy and well explained. And no a professional of even 20 years doesn't have to have an online account if they care about their privacy or they don't need it. And no, these 3 people have Enjin's own forum accounts, Slack accounts, etc, with thousands of posts. There's even a picture with Lilia holding a "Hello Bitcointalk" sign that matches the picture on the website as well as videos with her voice from 7 years ago. The Enjin team said above they will be doing a hangout with their team members so everyone can see them live. Hope that puts a stop to this nonsense. It's becoming silly now. I did read the whole thread. Explain then why this Lilia woman is a social media expert, but has no social media whatsoever? According to you, they don't need it. Oh wait. Their whole job revolves around social media! Best case scenario, she has been operating under a fake name. Worst case scenario, she is just a hired actor. I'm not trying to hate on anyone. I'm just saying that this ICO for everything BS needs to be stopped. If they can provide proof that they are all part of the team plus all competent at what they do(e.g. proof that lilia is a social media expert) then awesome. I'll wish them luck with the ICO. But if the community decides to just give up criticizing ICOs for scammy or dodgy behaviour then people are just going to get scammed, and these shit ICOs are just going to keep popping up. Why are you defending them? Look at your post history. You literally posted like 15 shitposts on offtopic in june and then come back alive and all of a sudden defending Enjincoin with long essays. I could say the same about you, why you are so convinced that Lilia needs to fake her identity? LOL Are you an alt of one of the people accusing Enjin? I doubt you read the whole thread otherwise you could clearly see accusations are baseless. And the team will do a hangout so worry not, the mystery will be solved. (If anyone still has doubts) Hopefully the Enjin team and Lilia don't mind me posting her pics, again below. Enjin's website picture:   Lilia's hello to the forum:  They look very, very similar don't they? Maybe it's me only that sees the resemblance? PS: I got so involved in this that I'd like to see it end eventually, everyone satisfied with Enjin's proofs and NEMGUN leaving them in peace. That's all. |
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Simply because everyone is on slack, Ton and Yani are constantly connected and available there, and me i am constantly on Bitcointalk with my lovely community.
They haven't blocked me, they asked me for advises, and i told since the very begining they were going to scam people, read carefully the posts.
Don't try to dillute the informations, at the first contact, when we spoke at 3am i told them they were scamers, the second day they came telling me yes, we checked the blockchains, they said they contacted the stratis team. This is why i decided to reply again.
Witek was in a plain when i spoke to him, he was very excited by the ideas we spoke about, he was supposed to meet Ton, but after that they dissapeared, dilluted the ideas i gave using an ERC20 token.
Can you understand when someone tells you, yes i want to take advantage of the ethereum hype.
When you ask if it is to develop something, he don't know what to say, this is why i said that Enjin is a scam, as on the development side, the responses have been poor. I know that Ethereum is a huge technology, they took a tiny shard of it, just the ERC20 feature, the original objective was 50M$, to do what ? To list a token on their platform, saying that they won't bother with the decentralized nature of the token while providing a semi-centralized solution to use it is a poor explanation.
Listing a token on an exchange isn't expencive, but to list their token on their platform costs millions of dollars, is it normal ? Enjin is a scam because of this behaviour.
That's your opinion and the team heard it several times, gosh I keep hearing it every day almost, not only the team... everyone who follows and supports them too. Do you realize that you are not doing anyone any favours, and that you are acting like a child instead of taking care of your own projects. You didn't even post the right escrow address above. I worry about you NEMGUN (not really), you are losing your face in front of the community by being obtuse and pushing for suggestions the team doesn't care about. They have made their mind up and they are happy with Ethereum and it will work way better for them than possibly a simple Counterparty token that requires no development (NVO Token). You guys found the cheapest and easiest way to create a token. I only came here to show your other team members what you have been doing and your community too. If I were the CEO at NVO I would not tolerate such an attitude from my own team member. You got lots to do and build, give it a rest, Enjin has their own project to build, let them be. You see you are so distracted by attacking Enjin that you don't even update your own OP or website with the right escrow address. Naughty, naughty, naughty boy.  I said the escrows will confirm the information later. However, you will excuse me if i ignore you, you don't know what you are talking about, maybe you are maxim, because you think like him, a newbie in the cryptoworld who doesn't know what he is talking about. After someone mentions it (me today) then you get escrows to update your community... Good job. It should have been in the OP in the first place, but you are so busy trolling other projects that you got no time for that. It's not the escrows fault, they are reputable members of this forum, especially Blazed and MinerJones, just look at their clean trust feedback. Lauda is easily manipulated by you so I have my reservations and his trust ain't so clean. Not that he is a scammer, but he is a bit of a controversial character. STOP ATTACKING OTHER PROJECTS AND TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB WITH YOUR OWN. |
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I just read the OP and I personally completely agree with cryptodevil.
When someone has 7, 10 years of experience in something, they must have some sort of presence on the web right? It doesn't even need to be social media(but hey, any professional should have some sort of social media to showcase their resume, e.g. linkedin), it can be mentions in other projects and whatnot.
IMO this is something that is overlooked time and time again, people assume that these are real people, without searching up the names themselves. And more and more ICOs are starting to do this...
It's like hiring someone on fiver to do your video, and in use their photo. It's done, just search it up. Ponzi scammers use it all the time to make themselves seem legit.
BTW, why is the sig campaign still running? Why hasn't Decoded stopped running it, even though there are obvious indicators that this may be a scam? I wouldn't go as far as tagging everyone advertising for Enjincoin, but the manager has to stop running the campaign when legitimate suspicions like this arise.
You just read the OP you didn't read the team comments, there is very good proof the team is real. Just read the thread properly don't just read one side of the story. It's all in this thread, nice and easy and well explained. And no a professional of even 20 years doesn't have to have an online account if they care about their privacy or they don't need it. And no, these 3 people have Enjin's own forum accounts, Slack accounts, etc, with thousands of posts. There's even a picture with Lilia holding a "Hello Bitcointalk" sign that matches the picture on the website as well as videos with her voice from 7 years ago. The Enjin team said above they will be doing a hangout with their team members so everyone can see them live. Hope that puts a stop to this nonsense. It's becoming silly now. The signature campaign is still running because nobody believe the accusations, simple, and because the team has proved they are untrue even though there are still attempts at dragging this along. People are not stupid, a successful company that exists since 9 years, that has millions of users, hundreds of gaming communities and it's one of the leaders in the space... It's not a scam. Maybe you should look at the website before assuming: https://enjin.com |
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@NewProject
Hopefuly you posted the question on the NVO thread, i replied there.
Regarding the second part, i will ignore your posts as you constantly go off topic. You are a newbie, you don't know much even if you act like you know more, no problem.
@WitekRadomski
Ethereum is huge, vast, and i know the technology is really strong, a lot of features. You want ot use a small shard of it, an ERC20 token, with smart contracts. A side chain is a blockchain who can generate coins and smart contracts with different features.
Blockstream is Bitcoin, it is the best technology you will find around, 455 collaborators on github.
Let me resume what you offer in term of development with Enjin.
You want to list a token on your centralized platform for several millions of dollars. This is what i can't understand, it is your token and you imagine he have many functions while it is more limited compared to what you describe, without your false imagination you need the help of several investors to list your token on your platform, who is centralized.
No need to talk about the API or SDK development, the documentations are already done and provided by the ethereum community, you can also find cheatsheets on the decentralized ethereum exchanges.
The thing is that i don't see why does you required this amount while nothing you bring nothing, i know the reply, both you and maxim told me that it is to take advantage of the Ethereum hype.
You say that you are working on the specs of the smart contract, you can't go too far into its development as there are many limitations, you can't weigh the blockchain, it won't be usable, after a moment, you could reach hash collusion points. A smart contract is a tiny shard of the blockchain. However, in your whitepaper, you give blockchain features, thows we spoke about, while you use a tiny shard of what the blockchain have to offer which is impossible to realise.
Which resumes it to, several millions, to list your token on your platform.
But this is off topic here NEMGUN, nobody wants to hear your suggestions for Enjin, let alone the Enjin team. Why you keep repeating this? Shows you just want to keep discussing anything else but the fact that Enjin ain't a scam. This thread was setup by Cryptodevil because there were two issues, 3 people with no online profiles and Enjin network traffic stats. Now what? You are trying to convince them to change their plans? Come on grow up and let it be. Look at your own project, uses Counterparty LOL Such blockchain token, much development! Time to step aside and go back to your own business. I wonder if anyone else is of the same opinion... This all started because of you. Are you obsessed with Enjin, are you having wet dreams about it? |
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Simply because everyone is on slack, Ton and Yani are constantly connected and available there, and me i am constantly on Bitcointalk with my lovely community.
They haven't blocked me, they asked me for advises, and i told since the very begining they were going to scam people, read carefully the posts.
Don't try to dillute the informations, at the first contact, when we spoke at 3am i told them they were scamers, the second day they came telling me yes, we checked the blockchains, they said they contacted the stratis team. This is why i decided to reply again.
Witek was in a plain when i spoke to him, he was very excited by the ideas we spoke about, he was supposed to meet Ton, but after that they dissapeared, dilluted the ideas i gave using an ERC20 token.
Can you understand when someone tells you, yes i want to take advantage of the ethereum hype.
When you ask if it is to develop something, he don't know what to say, this is why i said that Enjin is a scam, as on the development side, the responses have been poor. I know that Ethereum is a huge technology, they took a tiny shard of it, just the ERC20 feature, the original objective was 50M$, to do what ? To list a token on their platform, saying that they won't bother with the decentralized nature of the token while providing a semi-centralized solution to use it is a poor explanation.
Listing a token on an exchange isn't expencive, but to list their token on their platform costs millions of dollars, is it normal ? Enjin is a scam because of this behaviour.
That's your opinion and the team heard it several times, gosh I keep hearing it every day almost, not only the team... everyone who follows and supports them too. Do you realize that you are not doing anyone any favours, and that you are acting like a child instead of taking care of your own projects. You didn't even post the right escrow address above. I worry about you NEMGUN (not really), you are losing your face in front of the community by being obtuse and pushing for suggestions the team doesn't care about. They have made their mind up and they are happy with Ethereum and it will work way better for them than possibly a simple Counterparty token that requires no development (NVO Token). You guys found the cheapest and easiest way to create a token. I only came here to show your other team members what you have been doing and your community too. If I were the CEO at NVO I would not tolerate such an attitude from my own team member. You got lots to do and build, give it a rest, Enjin has their own project to build, let them be. You see you are so distracted by attacking Enjin that you don't even update your own OP or website with the right escrow address. Naughty, naughty, naughty boy. |
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Welcome to the NVO thread, generally i like to ridiculise people like you, i don't know why you brought this here. Effectively Enjin is off topic in this thread. I said that Enjin is a scam, and i proved it different times. It have already been announced : Informational: BTC funds have been moved to a new address using the same setup as before. The new address is: 3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC.
The rest of the funds, ETH ETC DOGE XRP had been consolidated and they are been exchanged for bitcoin on exchanges, it have been announced. The Maidsafecoins (held by CPS) haven't been sold, it have been consolidated and kept by CPS as the coin is too fragile for now, it would dump it and it is not our objective. - 30% release at the end of the crowdsale.
- 30% at the delivery of the beta wallet and first API Cluster
- 30% At the delivery of the Beta Validator
- 10% At the delivery of the plugin system
The funds won't be released until the escrows
agree that a milestone has been reached
As you can see, the team was supposed to withdraw 30% at the end of the crowdsale, but only 9% have been withdrawn, to tell that the money isn't our main interest and we don't want to play with the investor's funds. Regarding the github account, yes, it will be empty untill the launch as some people are really interested with the technology and want to use it. I had a lot of contacts with people who wanted to use this technology, and as i said that NVO should keep its advantage, i decided to patent the technology, while keeping it open sourced. It is mostly to avoid doing scams using the project. Alex is in charge of finding the right lawyers for that, and as we partener with CPS, i can definitly tell you it will be decentralized with very interesting technologies, as we said during the crowdsale that we will deliver a plugin for CPS. CPS is already a very good payment processor, but it will be the best one. The target is to be better than paypal as they tax you a lot, and is centralized. Regarding the withdrawals, the escrows will be able to confirm soon. Do not insult NVO, Enjin is an ERC20 token, centralized, made to take advantage of the ethereum hype. I wonder what is the nature of your account, Thread pumping ? troling ? You write like Witek, even on your thread i noticed that Jakob(the bought accont) talks the first, then Witek, then Maxim, you spend your time creating new accounts ? I advise you to stop ridiculising yourself. No, I'm just a fan of Enjin, and I see they have been abused by you for 4 weeks now. All I said is true and you can verify it by looking at the original thread and the scam thread. For who is interested. And no you haven't proved Enjin is a scam, neither has cryptodevil. As a member of a team that raised 7 million you spend a lot of time trolling one specific project because they blocked you as you have been rude to them and provided very poor advise. Glad it was announced the NVO funds have moved, so why not post it in the OP or your website, why not post a blogpost since June? As I mentioned, that address must have been hidden somewhere because it is nowhere to be found on any of your channels. Care to explain? And funds are not in the address you mentioned... Shows how much you follow your own project: https://blockchain.info/address/3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCCBut here: https://blockchain.info/address/354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsfAnd are much less than they should be or am I wrong? (most probably I am wrong) Why all these movements of coins? You do understand that I just looked at your OP and website and couldn't find this info anywhere? Transparency NEMGUN, transparency. |
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What's up NVO team? I'm afraid to have to pester your thread but I'm a fan of another project, Enjin, which your own team member NEMGUN has been trolling for about 4 weeks now. They had to close their original thread because he basically took over it for reasons that I believe have to do with the Enjin team blocking him after things didn't go so well. So they created a new moderated thread. At that stage NEMGUN not being happy asked Lauda, one of your escrows, to setup a new non moderated thread to troll them even more. But not only that, he went further and asked Cryptodevil (you guys know who he is right?) to look into the project... Long story short he ended up creating a scam thread. However no scam has been proven so far, only a lot of nonsense coming from NEMGUN and Cryptodevil trying to find excuses to prove the project is a scam, which he has failed so far. This is the original Enjin thread that was taken over by NEMGUN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028112.0See how nice and unbiased he's been? Take some time to go through it if you want to know why Enjin created a moderated thread. They were victims of NEMGUN intelligent posts. I believe as a team member of a respectable project which raised 7 million in a token sale (NVO), this attitude really stinks, also makes me think that he has a lot of time on his hands to spend trolling other projects rather than help build his own. I really hope not all of the NVO team members are like that because I'd be worried about the progress of NVO. Just want to share an extract of what I posted on the scam thread here after his post below which prompted me to have a look at NVO, the token sale and how you guys protect users and the team. He tries to suggest other teams (that don't want his advise any longer after dealing with him a little) that token sales should protect the users and the team. See below:
I said that the best would be to provide a TOS who protects both the users and the team, as a concern for the users due to the rapid changes in the political scene of the cryptos. As i said, my main concern is about protecting the community while they don't seem to care about them, the crowdsale seems to be built to serve Enjin only.
People like escrows, and old members of the community like Lauda and Cryptodevil are here to protect the community, as a proof, you haven't taken the time to understand the community and the mechanisms, you had to buy an account to post images, you are not even part of this community. So please, try to be more professional and respectfull when you express yourself.
I see your own NVO token sale provided protection for both the users and team right? https://blockchain.info/address/3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z (NVO Token Sale Escrow Address) Total Received 3,405.38710067 BTC
Final Balance: 0.00272019 BTCSo where are all the remaining BTC supposed to be released over time after milestones were achieved gone? From your own thread: - 30% release at the end of the crowdsale.
- 30% at the delivery of the beta wallet and first API Cluster
- 30% At the delivery of the Beta Validator
- 10% At the delivery of the plugin system
The funds won't be released until the escrows
agree that a milestone has been reached I see no BTC left in the escrow address but I don't see the address/es where the remaining BTC are held, I mean for transparency sake you should at least post the wallets containing those coins on the OP. I see no other escrow address with any BTC available on your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917456.0What happened then? Who's escrowing NVO's BTC now?The last update on your blog was in June: https://medium.com/nvo-exchange not bad, well done keeping the community informed! Not even a post sale blogpost to say thank you to your contributors. You raised the money now who cares about releasing some updates right? How are you protecting both users and team? Come again? I didn't get that...Cryptodevil, want to look into it? (Joke) Lauda, you were one of the escrows... Know anything? (Joke #2) I'm not saying NVO is a scam, but transparency-wise I've seen better, the information above should be clearly shown at least on your thread, website, or a blogpost.
Would be interesting to see the remaining BTC in an address. Look at your own turf before going criticizing someone else's.I think these are fair questions regarding NVO. Wonder if the information is hidden somewhere, for someone that just learns about NVO today (such as me) and what's available on your website or blog. I also think you guys should keep an eye on NEMGUN because what he's doing doesn't do NVO any favours. Have a good day. |
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I said that the best would be to provide a TOS who protects both the users and the team, as a concern for the users due to the rapid changes in the political scene of the cryptos. As i said, my main concern is about protecting the community while they don't seem to care about them, the crowdsale seems to be built to serve Enjin only.
People like escrows, and old members of the community like Lauda and Cryptodevil are here to protect the community, as a proof, you haven't taken the time to understand the community and the mechanisms, you had to buy an account to post images, you are not even part of this community. So please, try to be more professional and respectfull when you express yourself.
I see your own NVO token sale provided protection for both the users and team right? https://blockchain.info/address/3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z (NVO Token Sale Escrow Address) Total Received 3,405.38710067 BTC
Final Balance: 0.00272019 BTCSo where are all the remaining BTC supposed to be released over time after milestones were achieved gone? From your own thread: - 30% release at the end of the crowdsale.
- 30% at the delivery of the beta wallet and first API Cluster
- 30% At the delivery of the Beta Validator
- 10% At the delivery of the plugin system
The funds won't be released until the escrows
agree that a milestone has been reached I see no BTC left in the escrow address but I don't see the address/es where the remaining BTC are held, I mean for transparency sake you should at least post the wallets containing those coins on the OP. I see no other escrow address with any BTC available on your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917456.0What happened then? Who's escrowing NVO's BTC now?The last update on your blog was in June: https://medium.com/nvo-exchange not bad, well done keeping the community informed! Not even a post sale blogpost to say thank you to your contributors. You raised the money now who cares about releasing some updates right? How are you protecting both users and team? Come again? I didn't get that...Cryptodevil, want to look into it? (Joke) Lauda, you were one of the escrows... Know anything? (Joke #2) I'm not saying NVO is a scam, but transparency-wise I've seen better, the information above should be clearly shown at least on your thread, website, or a blogpost.
Would be interesting to see the remaining BTC in an address. Look at your own turf before going criticizing someone else's.Also you suggest Enjin they should create their own blockchain or that ERC-20 tokens are hypey... When your own token is a Counterparty asset? LOL it takes two minutes to create. Such hard development went into that right? I see mentions of eventually XCP will have smartcontracts on Bitcoin, payments channels, etc, which will be useful for NVO, etc... That is quite a long time away (if it'll ever happen) if you know how things move on Counterparty, you could have created an ERC-20 token yourself and be able to use smart contracts right away. And you shot yourselves in the foot with that because BTC Tx fees are quite high, imagine your users having to move tokens, ouch a little pricey. Wouldn't an ERC-20 token been more convenient and cheaper? I guess you guys could not develop the smart contract for it and it costed quite a bit to get it made by someone else especially if you needed a sale contract on top of it too. Enjin can actually benefit from being on Ethereum as it's ready for smart contracts (and what you can do with them) as well as cheaper for users and the team to use: very good business decision.And your GitHub: https://github.com/nvoproject (empty, not one line of code). You guys have been very busy especially with development have to say. So looks to me you found the easier way to create a token, when I thought you were such a good developer who can advise other teams.
You sound like very nice and polite on this thread, trying to give advice and protect the community. However you were not so nice on the thread that Lauda created for you: Thank you Lauda, i am really pleased to see the trusted legendaries of the community lets the developers talking freely, Bitcointalk have been made originally for developers, today it starts to be a small business, just because of spamers and scamers. For reference, the old thread was : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028112.0Devs are spamers and trolls today, ignoring questions and closing threads. they prefer to use self-moderated threads to avoid the posts of intelligent people who have interesting questions to ask.I think that Bitcointalk should remove the possibility to create self-moderated threads, as everyone have the right to give his opinion in a decentralized community, and this is the development, we never delet the history, we use it to learn from our mistakes. A developer creates the future using his past mistakes. I advise the good bounty hunters not to participate as their reputation could suffer because of these guys. Everything is recorded on Bitcointalk, and never deleted.Thanks again Lauda to let the community express its opinion. (LOL is that supposed to be you?) Oh wow this is where Cryptodevil got the idea to threaten the signature campaigners with a negative rating. Did you tell him to do that? (Ouch!) And the original thread that was taken over by NEMGUN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028112.0See how nice and unbiased he's been? Take some time to go through it if you want to know why Enjin created a moderated thread. They were victims of NEMGUN intelligent posts. |
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I tend to agree with Illinest above. Cryptodevil keeps shifting the goalpost. The issues are: - 3 people don't have personal profiles online - traffic stats for Enjin network Both have had extensive answers from the team, in my view I have no doubt Lilia is a team member, there's even 3 videos with her voice from 7 years ago showing how Enjin works. Traffic stats have also been explained and proven, so no issue there. See previous posts from Enjin team. And now he wants to see audited financials? From a private company. Someone who is anonymous asking a registered company to provide confidential information... In your dreams I advise the team not to fall for this. You don't have to share any financials with anyone. No ICO has ever been asked to share this type of info. Cryptodevil knows you are not going to provide these, and he will use it to keep this thread open to his advantage, because well he got nothing. Dude you are being VERY unreasobale and clearly haven't proven Enjin is a scam yet. And yet you ignore the company has been running for 9 years, millions of users, hundreds of communities, and so on... I know why you don't answer to me, not because you think I'm a shill, it's easier to do that instead of backtracking on your baseless assumptions. What I'm glad of is that several people have seen this already and commented about it too, if you think people are stupid and they believe in this smear campaign attempt then you are disillusioned. LOL gosh knows what's next, depends on how Cryptodevil wakes up in the morning. Dude give it a rest, you failed to prove Enjin is a scam, or there's anything suspicious. Time to rename this chat and go find actual scams if that's what you do all day. |
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So, for all your "who answers...who writes...who supports..." snideness, the situation is still the same as it was from the beginning, namely, two forum accounts which exist as names only on your platform and are identified only through your say-so.
Look, the only other way for this to be properly settled then is for you to provide a copy of audited accounts which will serve to show the true status of your company's finances and confirm the number of registered employees you have.
We cannot share private company documents with people online who we don't know. Also, our employees care about their personal information and we don't feel they would be safe in your hands. What we'll do is a hangout video with the team, showing that everyone here is a real person and put these accusations to rest. That sounds like a good idea, if you do it on YouTube you get an option for a chat on the side of the video where anyone can participate and ask questions. So even Cryptodevil can sign in with a generic YouTube account and ask all the questions he wants directly. |
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Heck, he was even censored from the signature campaign thread (I think).
Cryptodevil's post on the signature campaign thread threatened (in red text) to rate everyone in the campaign with negative trust. That's basically bullying and because of that it was deleted:  I mentioned that previously, that is outrageous, Cryptodevil abusing his forum reputation to scare innocent people who just want to earn a little. Who's idea was that? NEMGUN? Let's scare them off... We haven't even proved they are a scam but hey let's scare them anyway... Such a bad attitude and you guys say you do this for the community??? LOL That's what I call the Bitcointalk Mafia, you do what we say or we fuck you over. Who are the scammers here? Ask yourself the question. There is no rule that say moderated threads cannot be had, otherwise why would there be an option? And moderated threads are for moderation, so got to accept that. In no way the Enjin team did something unusual apart from deleting 2 posts from Crytodevil that were a repeat of previous posts. I can't fault the team for having moderated Cryptodevil especially after seeing the abuse on the signature thread. Neither I can fault them for not wanting to have to deal with NEMGUN nor hear his opinion. Just read his previous posts on here, and the 2 previous threads to have a look at the nonsense he has been posting. |
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@NewProject, i will be off topic for a moment, i would like to welcome you in bitcointalk, i like to greet the new members even if you are not that new. Yes i have different things to do like bringing technologies to the cryptocurrencies. From your point of view i am trolling, and i understand it, it may be due to your lack of experience. As you said, everything can stop, the cryptos can fail at the moment we let cryptos run for hypes only, using them as a mean to get money from people. Regarding the statements of Enjin, they are based in Singapor which means they are less bothered by laws and regulations which is not the case of their users. You should know that organisms like the SEC in USA wants to protect the investors, even my project was almost confronted. Do you know also that today, the SEC is regulating the Ethereum blockchain because of the excessive amount of ICOs on that blockchain, i hope that you understand that every member of the community have to protect it, cryptos born, rise, and die because of the community. Knowing this crowdsale wants to take advantage of the ethereum hype, shown on my preceeding posts, i prefer that cryptodevil does investigations, and reports scam projects like what he did regarding BTC-E, it is an exchange who owns KYC from many users in the community, it ended like a scam, a centralized company who was one of the oldest exchanges. The grand question is, does bitcoin, Ethereum, or Litecoin already scamed someone ? It is mathematically impossible to find a scam accusation towards these blockchains, while the ERC20 tokens are constantly accused of such behaviour as they are operated by unexperimented people. Regarding this point, blockchains a monetary development, while Enjin takes advantage of a montary speculation which is totally different. If you notice in the screen, i said to Witek "After that you will talk with your CEO and tell him that ...." have a closer look at the message, i permited myself to talk like that, to give orders, and they even wanted to come and meet my team as they knew that their original idea was a scam, and was about taking advantage of a hype like i said in the same message. Lauda and Cryptodevil replies to everyone, this is why they are trusted, these are the essence of decentralization because they act for decentralization and the welfare of everyone. As you lack knowledge in development, decentralization and after that in affairs, business, ask questions, no need to give judgements, you will learn a lot more. One of the founders of this forum was satoshi nakamoto, made it for developers. Investing is your sole right, warning is my sole right. Also, i wanted to specify that bitcointalk is shaded from their website since the begining.  Which is a censorship continuity while they launch a signature campaign and invest funds there. Please don't be patronizing, I know a thing or two about blockchain projects as I have been following for over a year and a half on this forum but even before then just by following various Slack, Telegram, Skype, and news on bitcoin media, etc. I am not a developer and I don't need to be to discuss the credibility of a project. This thread is not even about the technical issues but about some suspicious scammy behaviour which has been addresses by the team. The main issues were Enjin network traffic stats and that 3 people can't be found online. Let's stick to that. So far there is no proof of wrongdoing on these two issues. The traffic issue has been explained in detail. The POPE (Proof of People Existance) issue has also been extensively replied to. Anything else you say is to divert attention to personal issues you have with the project which have no merit in this thread. And no: Do you know also that today, the SEC is regulating the Ethereum blockchain because of the excessive amount of ICOs on that blockchain, i hope that you understand that every member of the community have to protect it, cryptos born, rise, and die because of the community. This is not true, the SEC only expressed their opinion about the DAO and that tokens in that case were securities, however they decided not to go any further. So I think you need to get your facts straight. |
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You are not the focus here..
You are the one who brought focus on me, the minute that you've made fake and defamatory accusations in your post. And he is trolling them.
No, he is not. Cryptodevil is also being unreasonable, everyone can see that.
By everyone you mean the team of accused people and their shills? Because he has an agenda.
Cryptodevil has no agenda, and never had one (AFAIK) in any case that he busted open. Cryptodevil instead says they have done mass censorship, which is not true. Who is lying here?
Disagreed. Both of the people accusing Enjincoin were strongly censored (not sure about other people, but it wouldn't surprise me). Heck, he was even censored from the signature campaign thread (I think). Alright you are lying too now. LOL The first thread wasn't censored, so all of NEMGUN posts are still there, your thread is not censored either, so all NEMGUN posts are still there. The new thread is moderated and only a couple of posts were moderated, so not sure where you get heavily moderated from. You are just trying to find an excuse to give yourself reason to speak. By everyone I mean the community, I could say the same to you, you are a shill for NEMGUN because of your previous business relation (where you made quite a bit of money). The only thing that has been proved here is not that Enjin is a scam but that: NEMGUN contacted you because he is butthurt to open a thread: and that is true and you confirmed it. NEMGUN contacted Cryptodevil to bash the project, call it investigate, and because 2 repetitive posts were deleted he created a scam thread, plays well for NEMGUN on his mission to bash Enjin. NEMGUN has been trolling Enjin since their first thread, and that's a fact and proof is on the relative threads as well as here. So to finish up, NEMGUN and his personal issues with the team is the reason why all this happened. SO FAR NO ONE HAS PROVED THE PROJECT IS A SCAM. You guys are abusing your reputation to deliberately libel against a project, outside of bitcointalk that is punishable by law. The community surely can see this. |
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@NewProject, I have nothing to do with gaming, i haven't looked for them nor tried to engage contact with them, NVO isn't related. I have been contacted to give advises on Enjin, the first question i asked was about ERC20, was it for the hype of ethereum ? or because they had an ethereum community. I always reply to anyone interested in cryptocurrencies, i love cryptos, bitcoin, and i use to be consulted. when ever i feel a scam attitude or project, i always warn not to go on that path. I didn't wanted to post the discussions, but as Enjin did, let me follow :  - On these messages you can see that i said to Witek that originally they made a project for money, while with that idea, it was going to be an excellent project. He wanted to meet me in Algeria and i told him that it wouldn't be easy because of Visa requirements, he then said that he will meet ton. we don't know what happened meanwhile, Ton waited for them, we were even worried about Witek thinking that something may hapened to him. No more contacts after that. After that, i saw them using the ideas we spoke about, with an ERC20 token while game developers doesn't need them to do it, a game developer will directly integrate with ethereum instead, releasing his own token without been bound to any platform. I don't feel ofended or anything like that, as a member of bitcointalk i wanted to protect my community and warn her about that. You can check my old posts, i use to help a lot of people on the development threads, i always acted like that with everyone. Again, i will always help any project providing something beneficial to the crypto community. Let me give you some details, some games gives you the ability to host your private servers. The actual architecture described in the whitepaper shows that you will need to integrate into their platform in order to run the contracts, you will need their public API platform as you won't need to use WEB3 extension. Which means the project is centralized, and this is why i say this project in his actual state cannot go really far. Knowing the state of the gaming industry, 2 million gamers are nothing in a gaming platform, it is like for the exchange, originally people though they were decentralized while they used decentralized coins. It would have been more intelligent to create a blockchain with an API talking to a daemon instead of using an API who will communicate with a platform, who will then communicate with a daemon, which means that it is not decentralized. They used the ideas i spoke about, and used it with an ERC20 token, and i don't appreciate that. And when you doubts about a project, you contact people like cryptodevil, one of the users who are helping to keep bitcointalk clean. Just check his signature, please take the time to understand bitcointalk before accusing anyone of been biased. Thanks for the reply, I have to say that after your conversation above possibly things didn't go too well as there were other negative comments from you. I only saw what was posted in this thread and the others so that's what I base my judgement on. Now you made your point several times, and you included your personal opinion above. It is your personal opinion at the end of the day. The team decided to go the way they have independently from what you have suggested and they are not going to change their mind at this stage. So what is the point of you trolling them continuously? I mean you must be busy doing the stuff you do, why don't you give them and the community a break? It feels like you don't want to give up, and I understood above you told Cryptodevil to get involved: And when you doubts about a project, you contact people like cryptodevil, one of the users who are helping to keep bitcointalk clean. To create even more drama about this, when really the team is solid, the platform is solid, they have millions of users, tons of game partnerships, have been around for 9 years, and so on. Again you made your point, the project is not a scam, if they fail it's not your fault and the community can make their own decisions based on their whitepaper and what they can see that exist already, a successful company which is one of the leaders in their field. I believe because of the size of their business they will do very well with their token and its implementation, and I want to put some money in it myself, whatever I can afford... LOL They will also help get mainstream gamers to know about crypto and get involved. Any company like that with a huge userbase is beneficial to the space once they intro blockchain. I've not been around this forum for long, started following about a year and a half ago, but only recently created an account, I have an idea for a gaming project, but it's still only an idea. I take on your comment, I don't know everything and I am relatively new here. I can't even post pictures yet LOL. But I do see when someone is being negative and unreasonable or biased, like you in this case. I understand if Enjin was a scam then all this would be welcome... but it is not. Give the team a break and let them do what they set themselves to do, at the end of the day crypto is all a big experiment, everything can fail tomorrow. But thanks to teams like Enjin, that decided to adopt a token for their hugely popular platform, crypto will eventually grow its user base into mainstream. That is the best way for crypto to become even more popular. Even Overstock (a different thing altogether) announced they will be accepting more cryptocurrencies. These are all great news. We need more of this. I am sure you have better things to do than spending your time trolling about Enjin. See what you can do, in your last post you seem to be reasonable. |
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Ok that's all the community needs to know: I knew there was bias that couldn't be avoided even with self-awareness thus I did not do anything. That is nothing new. If you are responding/getting involved in any case where you've had a single interaction with one of the parties, you are likely to be biased. However, if you are strongly against bias, self-aware and strive towards objectiveness, you can avoid it in most cases. You have not being involved in harassing Enjin, however you neg rep them and helped create a thread, you claim you did it because you would have done it anyway for anyone else asking or acquaintance.
I have not helped create anything. If you are talking about the unmoderated thread, it's just a c/p of the original thread. The community needs to know there was a previous relation between you and NEMGUN/NVO. That's all.
That is well known, publicly documented, and irrelevant. What the community needs to know is that this originated by NEMGUN because he is butthurt with the team, can't confirm Cryptodevil is involved that way but looking at his unreasonable request of Proof of People Existance (POPE)  when nobody else has any doubts is very telling on what the reason behind his trolling may be. The criticism and issues raised by either nemgun or cryptodevil are not trivial. They are warranted and need be answered. The strong censorship by the Enjin team, who is new to this platform, has not scored any bonus points for them. You are not the focus here, and what you say only supports NEMGUN and Cryptodevil's cause. NEMGUN doesn't have any right to advise the team if they don't want to. And he is trolling them. Cryptodevil is also being unreasonable, everyone can see that. The team just posted some videos with audio from Lilia, they are 7 years old. That is pretty much a good proof to me. But I'm sure Cryptodevil won't be satisfied yet. Because he has an agenda. As per censoring, I hate that too. I don't support that. But looking at what happened in Enjin's case they have all the rights to keep their own thread on topic. They only setup a moderated thread after NEMGUN attacked them with nonsense in their previous thread. And even in the new one you created only NEMGUN is trolling. What does that tell you? To me it shows that NEMGUN has personal issues with the team which are of no interest to the community or to anyone who could potentially invest in Enjin. Even Cryptodevil posted repeatedly on their official thread, not backing off or acknowledging the replies given which were fair and extensive and repeating himself. They didn't delete all his posts if you look closely, only a couple that were repeats. Cryptodevil instead says they have done mass censorship, which is not true. Who is lying here? However censorship is not good, the team realized, mentioned it, took corrective action on their own thread, and came on here explaining the same things they explained several times before. They are not hiding they are being open. Even the quality of the answers and the proof they have shown so far is sufficient to prove a person exist. |
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I said what I had to say, I did my research, everything is on the forum and your trust feedback.
There isn't a single valid negative trust feedback on me. You have no idea what you are talking about. All those are from butthurt idiots that got busted (similar to possibly the Enjin team; will see). There is proof you had previous business relation with NEMGUN, and he asked you to setup a thread.
Which is what I would have done for pretty much any acquaintance given that what their asking is warranted to some extent. The only reason for which I haven't negged the Enjincoin team right away is exactly because I had/have a relationship with the accuser. Put differently, I knew there was bias that couldn't be avoided even with self-awareness thus I did not do anything. You are trying to smear my name for doing the right thing, applause shill.  Ok that's all the community needs to know: I knew there was bias that couldn't be avoided even with self-awareness thus I did not do anything. . You have not been involved in harassing Enjin, however you neg rep them and helped create a thread, you claim you did it because you would have done it anyway for anyone else asking or acquaintance. The community needs to know there was a previous relation between you and NEMGUN/NVO. That's all. What the community also needs to know is that this originated from NEMGUN because he is butthurt with the team, can't confirm Cryptodevil is involved that way but looking at his unreasonable request of Proof of People Existance (POPE) when nobody else has any doubts is very telling on what the reason behind his trolling may be. |
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I'm sorry to say Cryptodevil..
Sounds like a non-apology apology. Finally, why did Lauda get involved?
Lauda is probably involved in the majority of the cases in this section in the past year. Lauda gets involved in pretty much anything that is warranted/interesting and sent to it via PM.
The rest of your post is basically just ad hominem (mostly with fake or irrelevant information) against 3 individuals. Let's take a look at your back-yard then. All your posts are useless spam up until you strongly endorse Enjin which leads me to speculate whether: 1) You're a paid shill. 2) You're involved in this yourself. Then again, you seem to "know a lot", thus you are either a senior forum member or definitely closely involved with Enjin. I said what I had to say, I did my research, everything is on the forum and your trust feedback. There is proof you had previous business relation with NEMGUN, and he asked you to setup a thread. |
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Lilia and Chris don’t use their full names on social media or any external website that I know of.
That is my point. Those names don't ping anywhere, and I mean even the usual white-pages, academic, professional or even government databases. That is unheard of. For us to invent false identities and names for Lilia and Chris, gives us no benefit whatsoever...We didn’t create Enjin in 2009 thinking we would create Enjin Coin and therefore needed an elaborate scheme to build a marketing and support personas. This is laughable and clutching at straws now. Are you intentionally being obtuse or do you simply not understand the fact that yes, there are obvious reasons why you would invent 'Lilia' and 'Chris' as customer service accounts and it isn't for nefarious purposes, either. If you're having to provide contact points for your users, you want to be able to maintain a common front-office image and constantly having to change these as staff come and go over the years means that it makes perfect sense to 'standardise' these forum accounts into sock-puppets which can be utilised by whomever you do have working at that time to answer the support desk. So, for all your "who answers...who writes...who supports..." snideness, the situation is still the same as it was from the beginning, namely, two forum accounts which exist as names only on your platform and are identified only through your say-so. Look, the only other way for this to be properly settled then is for you to provide a copy of audited accounts which will serve to show the true status of your company's finances and confirm the number of registered employees you have. I'm sorry to say Cryptodevil, you are being unreasonable, and from what I have seen from your previous accusations about Enjin (which the team extensively replied to) you are, for some reasons, being weirdly stubborn about it. Why don't you tell us your name and surname and show us your own online personal profiles with your own real picture? Do that show us who you are first, give us the good example. I know you may say, I'm not asking people for 12 millions am I? How do we know? Nobody knows who you are, you may have other accounts on here (most probably) and you may be involved in another project trying to raise millions. Show us your linkedin, I'm very curious and I won't take scam accusations from someone who doesn't at least show who they really are. LOL I don't think you have the right to force people who don't want to have public profiles (for privacy reasons or for whatever other reasons). And personally I looked into Enjin and seems to have more than it takes to raise funds, more than many other projects who have nothing to back their claims. For fuck sake they have been around for 9 years and one of the top companies in their business. Just that makes them a non scam 100%. This is clearly an unreasonable attempt to discredit the project (pushed by someone with an agenda) and by that I mean someone (competitor) is pushing Cryptodevil to keep asking for stupid proofs someone actually exist. You are only making yourself look silly Cryptodevil, as far as a scam buster you claim you are... This time you failed to prove the project is a scam. How much are you getting paid for this? Tell us the truth. I mean everyone can see you are being unreasonable, no one needs to see anyone's online profiles, this is the silliest claim I have heard and shows there is more than what Cryptodevil claims to be. The one being obtuse is you, not the Enjin team. Unfortunately it's hard for you to step back and say: ok guys, you answered my queries, because you made so much noise so far and cannot just accept the fact there is nothing wrong with the Enjin team. It will make you look silly wouldn't it? Have you ever retracted scam accusations in the past? That will be very telling. How do we know because of your forum history (and previous claims of scam busting) you are not sponsored by competitor projects? Or even NEMGUN who seems to spend his life trying to advise Enjin. You even threatened to neg rate every participant of the Enjin signature campaign, ruining people's accounts and their chance to join any other signature campaign, without any proof the project is a scam. Now that is pretty bad coming from someone who claims to do things for the benefit of the community. You would actually ruin community members reputation even without confirmed proof of scam from Enjin's side. As per NEMGUN, dude the team doesn't need your advise, you got to accept the fact that you have been rude to them and your suggestions to try and get them on NVO (yes your own project that raised millions) or other crap blockchains that nobody uses for tokens were very poor. Why does the team have to reinvent the wheel with their own blockchain or even choose anything else than Ethereum which is become almost the standard for creating tokens. Enjin made the right choice in my opinion and what I see coming from you is a whole load of biased nonsense. You made your point several times, you ruined their first, original, uncensored thread with your comments, they had to setup a moderated one so they could try and keep the conversation about Enjin, not about what NEMGUN thinks Enjin should do. Again you are not doing any good to your own project (NVO) by posting nonsense as you do and attacking other projects. Hopefully the team will realize soon because you definitely are giving NVO bad advertisement. I also wonder if the NVO team is aware one of their team members is hassling a project who refused to join their platform. Should we go and start making some noise on their NVO thread? See what their community thinks? A project that is struggling to get any partnerships, a project that couldn’t even setup their own blockchain but used the SAFE network, which nobody uses. I see where you are coming from, having a project like Enjin onboard makes perfect sense. I bet the community sees it too. You come across as butthurt in this situation. Finally, why did Lauda get involved? Lauda did the escrow for the NVO token sale (with the financial benefits that entails, he must have made a smashing at 0.2% fee). Also NVO did a signature campaign with ACE for a month, Lauda is the manager of the ACE group. (Another financial relation). NEMGUN asked him for a favour (seen there was a previous business/financial relation) to setup a new (Uncensored) thread. But why ask Lauda? I believe you didn't even realize that he is not a moderator of this forum any longer. But you may have been of the impression he was and that the new thread would have had a greater effect if he had opened it. Why didn't you open the uncensored thread yourself? Well, you wanted it to make an impact... Because by yourself you got no chance of convincing anyone. I read your comments NEMGUN, they make no business sense. What you need to do now is step back realize that Enjin won't take any advise from you. You do sound silly and butthurt to the rest of us. The community also doesn't give a sausage about what you have to recommend. (…you are fucking with the Algerian government…) LOL I stop at that and let the community make their own mind up on what type of character you are. TO SUM IT UP:Cryptodevil: he can't find anything which makes this project a scam so he is hanging on needing to see proof Lilia Pritchard and others are real people. If they send a video will that satisfy you? NEMGUN: butthurt because the team blocked him and didn't want to get involved with him nor NVO nor any of his bad suggestions. Lauda: close relationship with NEMGUN so he got involved because he was asked, or paid. He is a very controversial character, just look at his trust ratings.
The 3 above all have negative trust ratings, read them up to make your own judgement to see who is preaching. You guys also neg rated all of the Enjin team members, the 3 of you, that sounds like a very coordinated operation. Who are the scammers here? WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NEXT:- Enjin sends a satisfying proof that Lilia and others are real. I personally think it's not needed but hey they won't stop hassling, that's the only thing they got against this project and it's silly.
- If all good this thread title gets changed to something more in tone with the issues at hand and locked unless anyone has anymore doubts.
- Neg ratings get removed after everyone is happy proofs are sufficient.
- Cryptodevil finds another project to hassle that is actually a scam.
- NEMGUN goes back to be an NVO team member and stops giving ill advice to projects that don't want his "expertise."
- Lauda locks the uncensored thread which has no reason to exist but for NEMGUN to troll Enjin.
Peace up people, this space is very toxic and Bitcointalk is one of the most toxic forums in the space, especially with individuals such as NEMGUN who would pay people (apparently he is loaded from the NVO sale) to pursue his accusation and will drag others in such as Lauda and possibly Cryptodevil himself. Show this community you are actually reasonable and are actually doing this for the community not for personal gain, discredit a project with baseless accusations (because you got no proof so far), and use your own forum status/rank to convince people otherwise. |
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Hey guys I really dig gaming projects, and looking forward to see your platform integrating a coin with the potential of bringing more people to cryptocurrency. I also have an idea for a game with blockchain in-game assets that can be traded, exchanged or given, but it's freaking hard to get everything done, setup a team, get devs, etc... So for the moment It's just a dream, will see how Enjin Coin makes that easier when you guys get closer to release it may make my life easier. I also read some of your stats and I'm impressed with the user base and traffic. This is going to be yuuuuuuuge! I only recently joined the forum with an account, but have been around this forum for a year and a half, just lurking and investing in some projects here and there. Notably I'm a fan of GameCredits, MobileGo, Spells of Genesis, Beyond the Void, and Augmentors, which I have also invested in and made a little money on the way. Looking forward to your token sale, this should do well, or at least I hope so seen some people are trying to discredit the project on other threads. I think you guys are victim of a coordinated attack, not sure why but the accusations sound very silly to me. So I did some research on the people who claim to know better and will post my thoughts on the relative thread. Did you guys do anything to these people to upset them? They seem to have an agenda. Good luck with the sale, I will be watching closely. |
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