No but I thought that would be minimized if only dealing with trusted guys on here?

Hey again guys could you give me any advice tips for how to post a trade offer on the marketplace? What to put plus how to avoid scammers.

It would be for any popular giftcards; steam, amazon etc.

I initially thought I could do that trick with purse.io but when I got to their site and saw their terms I was reminded they do not allow giftcards for purchases, only physical items.

I had tried the giftcardexchange reddit sub but had issues. Their rules seem extremely strict to successfully post there. I understand that it is to stop scammers of course but because my account is not 'active' they remove my posts. I do not use reddit for constant posting (only the odd call/response question) so it is not suitable for me. I didn't see such a litany of requirements for posting in this (bitcointalk) forums' marketplace so asking for some tips to get started there.

People above said it is going to be stiff competition for giftcard exchange but the usual margin people ask is like 20%+ isn't it? So long as I go above the 3-5% people said to cover the fee which is asked to use the marketplace then the rest is profit isn't it and I was more doing it to flip it to re-saleable product and the margin I can make is all a bonus.

So any tips welcome and of course including advice pertaining to avoiding those pesky scammers.

I would like to do a test run first then go from there.

How's about swapping for giftcards and reselling them either here or on purse. Is that fairly safe?

Good markup for that too from what I saw previous on this forum.

I guess you are back to the paypal dilemma there again. Is it safer to sell them on ebay or just as risky? I know a guy said he has sold GCs on ebay many times 'no probs'. I think this forum is more a den of scammers (though also trusted guys here too don't get me wrong but it attracts more scammers I am guessing) than ebay whereas surely scammers are but maybe in lesser quantity?

Is charging back not the big problem with PP? or is it a case of putting faith in trusted members on here that they would not do a CB? I deal with chargebacks already with my work it sucks! but still people said earlier 3-5% is expected fee with forum trades? Makes it not worth it for me.

Thanks for other suggestions.

I really do love the idea of bisq. I have heard mixed reviews on it.

I also like the idea of gift cards and such since they do not run the risk of drying up like other payment methods changing their rules etc (though it could be possible if cards found abuse I think it is less likely than other ways I dunno). Purse is interesting and in UK I remember when I needed to buy there was hardly selling and only for huge fees so I think that could be another option as people are very eager to buy I bet but that was a big hit for taking money out; maybe with a decent discount it could offset the withdrawal fee.

Bisq I love the decentralized idea the most really whether it 'works' I would have to look deeper.

Are giftcards/visas generally safe against scamming? With both those you still need to do another step to cashout. I can see those are fine for everyday stuff like food (with visa) but what about rent? which will be the majority of my expenditure month to month.

I am in UK.

Anyway it is good I have a lot of knowledgeable people commenting.

I like the idea of cash in the post which used to be a thing on localbitcoins when I used to buy in the past (seemed a good deal for both parties in terms of low fees for the buyer and relative safety for the seller) but I wouldn't want to have randoms from all walks of life sending to my home address so maybe hire a PO for that but then they might call authorities if they found out money was coming to it from AML etc?

No I can't choose to be paid like you say. I work with cpa companies and they aren't flexible like that. You have to choose options from their webpanel only.

Thanks for the suggestion though. Hmm 2-5% for trade on forums, not appealing either .

...transferwise (like 0.5% to get into hard cash)?

I work online with online based adult businesses and these fuckers (payers) are constantly discontinuing payment services. No sooner will I have gone thru the hoops of verifying with a certain payment processor ie paxum or epayment than next month the company who pays me will discontinue that processor with no reason or warning and I have to hunt for another solution.

Btc however seems to be on the way to becoming more standardized in this field which is good but getting it to the normal everyday currency is the hurdle so I am wondering how I could use btc to get paid while still getting it out to local currency with the nice fees like you get with transferwise of 0.5% range. I know you can sell it for even a nice profit but that seems a whole other ballgame and opening yourself up to scammers and all kind of shit. Also when you need to pay for food and rent constantly you don't want to have to be waiting on a buyer and then as above you could risk missing payments if some hijinx of scamming occurred one month unless you had a buffer (I don't earn enough to have a buffer so need access to it post haste, like within days or a week or so really).

So any ideas? I would really like to go this route but didn't find a viable way yet.

Oh yes of course there is the swallowing the centralization pill and just verifying ID at one of the big exchanges but that kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it? I mean maybe it is a lesser evil to do that for my specific use case above to avoid constantly playing catch up with the other payment processors going down as the btc payment option seems to stay constant but long term I am wondering are there better ways with no middle man whilst not having the risk of scammers from selling and also very low fees on par with transferwise. Even with exchanges though I knew a guy who did some trading and he still ended up with about 2-3% fees so that is worse than transferwise by a good deal.

Hey guys I just signed up for an account and was looking to use the non verified card as I wanted an alternative now cryptopay has gone down in the wavecrest bullshit.

But I am certainly not going to verify the account...however on some further inspection I read that you can deposit but can't make transactions is that right unless you verify?

I don't want to deposit only to find that I wouldn't be able to make pay for an item online and it was stuck there- since I am not going to verify.

So can anyone clarify if it can be used for online txs without verification - I only want the virtual one btw.

Also it will be ok to put a random address in there? I only plan to deposit the amount for single transactions anyhow and use them immediately for times where you can't pay with btc.

It says on the verification page without it you can only make deposits and internal transfers. What a waste of time! Things have changed since the start of this thread? since it seemed people were using it for online purchasing /paypal verification etc. without verifying back then. But as we all know times change quickly in this game.

Seen a few threads on here and read them. Got some ideas but nothing definitive yet.

I read about buying popular items like graphics cards and selling them but what places would accept bitcoin to pay for graphics cards and such?

I would not be happy using purse with any kind of regularity and having linked to accounts which have my real address (since I will need to receive the funds after selling the items on again) due to the carder risk.

Localbitcoins is the likely suspect but I also am not going to want to receive money to my real address often.

I don't earn that much money so it would not be needing to move large amounts but a couple hundred dollars every couple months but ideally in future if my work picks up then it would be more so I would be looking for scalability of whatever solution I found though that isn't essential just now.

Suggestions?

I just am not used to sending money out into the ether and worry about possible things which could go wrong .

I know they put it in escrow but if you are a new user with no rep then if there is a problem won't they just side with the guy who is a trusted member?

I did the first lbtc transaction with a trusted trader this week and thankfully all went smoothly but I thought if something went awry how can you prove you didn't send them nothing or otherwise prove you were not trying to scam them? because as a new user even if you are honest you are treated like scum so if it came to going to raising a dispute then won't they just side with the trusted trader thus making the escrow moot?

So in this sense you are relying on the trader being honest.

As an untrusted newbie is there any way you can prove you sent what you sent in case there was a problem? I was thinking even if you record the packaging then it could be argued that you just sent a different empty package after couldn't it.

Seems like more of a racket these companies who offer them have. They know how hard it will be for you to use the funds and they expect you just just give up so they can keep the leftovers.

I have bought both vanilla mastercard and vanilla visa. The mastercard I couldn't even register it because the fucks have a broken website (maybe on purpose) so that whatever birthday you put in it says it's incorrect so that reduces the already tiny amount of places where these cards will work to almost 0 since every time I try I get booted/banned from sites saying it is high risk/fraud.

The registered visa has fared better but still it gets rejected at some places even when registered.

I just want to know how to use up the mastercard funds because some sites the visa still didn't work whereas one site where I wanted to buy something the mastercard worked but wouldn't work anywhere else and the item I want is one purchase using ~60% of its credit but you can't get smaller ticket items so I am then left with 40% of leftovers on the card I can't use up.

Are there any 'low hanging fruits' for online stores which won't have the usual instalockouts? It is ironic/frustrating because I bought these things legit.

I have a new vanillacard 50 I have linked to a paypal will you deal with me as a wretched newbie? With escrow ofc.

I would like to empty between 50 and 100% of it for btc.

If interested what would be my btc return on that?

Or since paypal is risky I am open to another way to transfer the card funds which would be less risky for you end if you know of it?

Sent as gift/family does though. I thought this is a well established thing with pp.

I am new to this stuff (btc trading) so I do not have strong opinions but that is just what I have read.

What's wrong with new guy with escrow?

Vanillacards.

Thanks for replies.

Hmmm I will be wanting to pay in giftcards or vanilla visa payment with debit.

What are good things to spend remaining prepay card credit on?

I will buy a prepay card to buy an item but then I will most times be left with around 40-60% of balance that I am not sure what to do with.

I can do the amazon gift card trick but then likewise I am left with the credit in my amazon account I don't know what to do with. It just moved.

So what are some things I could buy that I can sell on which I would lose the least amount of money on? because selling the amazon credit you lose like 20%+ don't you.

I can't really think of consumables I could buy for myself to put it to good use.

I found the list of escrows post by marcotheminer on the forum and most are no longer escrowing and the ones the list said that did I sent messages but they didn't reply (only about 5 I could find due to...) and the others had not been seen on the forum for a month or more.

So what now?