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A monoculture will eventually fail, that is reason enough to keep alternatives.
If if there were some innovation with new coins, and not just a copy / paste of the old coins  There are several Altcoins out there that aren't copy and pastes, most deal with the notion of interest on coins e.g. Peercoin (PPC) uses Proof of Stake mining and assigns those who participate interest on their coins that they use for PoS mining. There's also Freicoin which uses the idea of demurrage which functions like a negative interest i.e. the longer you hold onto it, the fewer coins you'll have, which promotes market liquidity and spending. And finally there's Primecoin, although it doesn't function that differently to Bitcoin from a user's perspective. Then there are Alts that aren't based on Bitcoin such as EMUnie. There's quite a lot of choice out there if you're looking for it, and it's not all shifty copycats. |
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Any chance of a binary for OSX being released in the future?
I'm willing to beta test this if you need someone.
Sorry, but it's very unlikely. I don't have any Apple devices. But you can try to build a binary from the source files. My patch doesn't add any additional dependencies, so if you can build an original client, you can build a patched client. Well, I can't compile anything myself since I messed up GCC some time ago on this install, but you could try building it on PureDarwin ( http://www.puredarwin.org/) Also, would you consider working on a bundled Bitcoin-i2p bundle which includes both programs self contained, only uses the daemon for the wallet, and starts and stops the service when the wallet is open and closed? |
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Any chance of a binary for OSX being released in the future?
I'm willing to beta test this if you need someone.
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I'm a biased dick
FTFY While you're wasting electricity with Bitcoin, I'll be dealing with more energy efficient coins such as those that deal with PoS, or those that create a new and innovative PoW system such as eMunie. |
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I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.
I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.
Also, will you be writing the client in HTML5?
Yes. The client will be using HTML5 technologies, such as a client side DB. Also, I will be taking a lot of precautions to keep the service anonymous with the frog nodes. I'll write a blog post on this soon, and give you a link. Thanks, I'll be looking forward to reading it, and congratulations on the funding. One more question, since would your client is written in HTML5 (I'm assuming the PoW part will be separate or in asm.js) will it be making an appearance on the Firefox Marketplace once released? I plan to release the client solely as a web app located on a site, rather than a browser app. This is for portability, so you can pick it up on your phone or another computer. The proof of work is a sticky situation, and I might use asm.js or something of the like. The exact 2 lines of code that do the PoW in PyBitmessage are nonce += 1
trialValue, = unpack('>Q',hashlib.sha512(hashlib.sha512(pack('>Q',nonce) + initialHash).digest()).digest()[0:8])
Unfortunately for me, this could not use more language specific features. It's unpacking as a big endian unsigned long long. I haven't found a library to do this, as the node bufferpack and jspack don't support this type. I believe it's a limitation in JavaScript itself. The next part of this in a double binary sha512 hash. I CAN do this in JS with nodejs code ported to the browser. However, the binary hashes don't match the python ones as JS can't handle binary data like that. The hex hashes match, though. I'll go into detail on this when the dev blog is up. If anyone has any suggestions on how to implement this, I'd appreciate it. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to this sort of thing, but would it be possible for you to use the C++ library in JS through Emscripten? |
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I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.
I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.
Also, will you be writing the client in HTML5?
Yes. The client will be using HTML5 technologies, such as a client side DB. Also, I will be taking a lot of precautions to keep the service anonymous with the frog nodes. I'll write a blog post on this soon, and give you a link. Thanks, I'll be looking forward to reading it, and congratulations on the funding. One more question, since would your client is written in HTML5 (I'm assuming the PoW part will be separate or in asm.js) will it be making an appearance on the Firefox Marketplace once released? |
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I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.
I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.
Also, will you be writting the client in HTML5?
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I showed you evidence you dismissed, I can't help you if your not going to accept my evidence. Aside from hacking that is the best evidence right from the person, who created the site.
There was no evidence in that excerpt that you supplied for reasons that I have already stated and you have failed to rebuff. The fact that you're still citing it as evidence is amusing actually. |
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So basically I can't make you believe it, then that is all I need to know. I am sticking with that it is insecure, who even cares the site may not even be up.
No, the reason you can't make me believe it is because what you've stated isn't correct. Find me some evidence to back up your claim and I would be willing to side with you. What street cred? I don't care what anyone on this forum thinks.
So you don't care what your largest potential client base has to think about you, your conduct or your programming skills? That's a great professional attitude to have, should add it to your donation and project webpages 'I don't care what you think'. What a motto. |
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I have proven that it is insecure what do you want me to do break into their servers? That is illegal and I am not doing that, so it isn't false claims it is just that you don't believe the facts I shown, that is ok.
All you've done is show how they're testing their escrow service and until it's been released users will have to depend on peer trust. You haven't actually shown how the site is insecure. And no, I'm not asking you to break the law, what I am asking you to do is either come up with evidence or retract your false statements. By the way, this discussion isn't doing the best for your street cred  |
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No I just think it is funny, you actually read this entire thread, but whatever, I guess I have too many things going on to care. Just move your mouse to the ignore button and click it Also I don't care about my professional service, I actually code cause I love it, not cause I need too. I am a millionaire because of bitcoins and could care less, I do it cause I like it. So you actually find it funny that I did research into an area where you did none and call you out for a false remark? Wow, you must have a pretty great sense of humour. And it's great that you don't really see your programming as a professional avenue, as stuff like lying and spreading false rumours is usually looked down upon and has a habit of negatively impacting a business. But it's good to know that you have an ample supply of Bitcoins left over so such an impact would leave you completely unscathed, even if this news were to spread around. But still though, you're still posting and it's great to see that you care so much about sticking to your false claims |
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LMAO and I care what you think because? I just told you my reason and you didn't think it was good enough so that isn't my problem that is your problem. The rest of the people in this thread agreed and I could care less about what some newbie thinks, go run along.
Only three others said they didn't have any interest, with the rest in support or offering ideas to improve to this project, so that's another thing you're blatantly lying about In fact more users were calling you a troll than who actually agreed with you, just saying And the fact that you're still replying shows you still care, not to mention that this is all being stored in the forum for others to see your false claims and your behaviour. Needless to say this would all look great if someone was seeking your (not so) professional services. |
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Your starting to be annoying, so do you want me to hack it and prove that it is insecure, well that isn't happening. This isn't court, and if I say it is insecure, then it is insecure that is how it goes. There is no trust in that team, they have an onion address which makes less trust, which in the case of torwallet or onionwallet, makes it an easy scam. I like how you find a thread that is dead, bring it back and tell me how your going to ignore me, now your here just saying "Your spreading FUD" which I clearly never did. Thank you sir, but go back to ignoring me, I hate when newbies get big balls. Just cause you feel like you got to make a name for self by trying to disapprove something the community agreed on, then have fun, but I am done here.
You're missing the point. You spread FUD by stating a claim without any evidence to back it up. You made a false accusation and that doesn't reflect well on you or any projects that your name may be attached to. And by the way, user gweedo is not the community. If you would like to present some evidence to back up your claim, I'll be waiting. If not, I'll note you down as a person who spreads defamatory and false material |
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Security
Security and confidence is the most important factor when it comes to sending crypto coins anywhere. That is why we have implemented several security features in the backend of The FreeMarket to ensure that if any vulnerability are discovered and exploited by someone with ill intent, damage is confined and recoverable.
We could launch the site 2 weeks earlier than planned but we wouldn't have time to test all aspects of the website and its security features. We will not launch early just to get launched for the sake of launching either early or on time without all of our testing being completed.
There is not a single wallet held on our webserver, they are all held on separate servers to ensure the highest possible level of security for everyone’s coins.
We fully understand that most websites are not perfect, so to ensure that if vulnerabilities are discovered they get reported to us, we shall be offering high bounties and a hall of fame listing to anyone that finds vulnerabilities or major bugs within our systems. These bounties are set based on the level of the vulnerability found and the potential consequences. We will have a mirror of the website with dummy data listed for people to attack at their leisure to try and discover vulnerabilities. Anyone wanting to obtain the .onion address for the testing site you can request this information through our support system on the main website.
For peace of mind we suggest that you do not keep large balances on you FreeMarket account until you have established trust of both our systems and The FreeMarket team. We understand trust and respect is not a given it is something that we must earn over time.
This talks about no security steps taken, it just basically says don't leave large amount of coins on the server. So basically that means it is insecure cause, it should clearly say what and how about security steps. By the way, no FUD Actually it discusses how there's no Escrow at this point in time and users would have to have mutual trust until such a service could be implemented, tested then released. In fact it goes through how testing is the main factor holding the project from launching right now. And your argument is still based on the false, one might say elementary assumption, that an absence of proof is proof in itself. If you took that argument to court, you'd lose if you were in front of a judge If you can garner some hard evidence of security issues, then come back and present them. Until then, all you're doing at the moment is defamation and spreading FUD. You should add those two to your resume too, your clients should know how professional your conduct is |
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I like to stop those spreading needless FUD around and call out those trolls where possible. Just because you think you're better doesn't make you any less of a troll I'll even ignore an ignore to get that point across Just to let you know, that's not how burden of proof works. Where's your proof for these insecurities? I'm still waiting for citations or a retraction, since those are the only options you really have if you want to remain factually correct. |
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Also should I just give him business ideas? I am not using his platform I could care less if he succeeds or not but I am not giving out good ideas to someone that clearly didn't know how to run a site.
So what you're saying is that you could actually benefit someone else, yet you're not going to because you have personal beef with anything other than Bitcoin and Silk Road? How can you be so petty? Do Alt's scare you? I'll also point out that you stated that his site was insecure. Where's the proof? You made the claim, burden of proof is on you, unless of course you're FUDing. |
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Will the source code of your site, when developed, be available for others to tinker with and look at?
Not quite sure about that. I would probably say no, but if there is a demand for it we might consider releasing it. It really depends on who codes it for us. Well if you're interested in making the source code for this website open (I'd recommend the AGPLv3 license since it prevents source closure by 3rd party projects) I'll donate towards this project. |
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We are not a direct clone of other sites offering an "anonymous marketplace". We are aiming to build on the original idea.
You are a direct clone, you just offer alt-coins, and Atlantis does that already and they are failing. Did you do any research into the marketplace? I am guessing not the reason Silk Road works is cause of trust that has been built up for over 2 years. As stated above you are a bit of a troll I am the troll, yet everyone in this thread agreed with me, think about it. All you have done is criticise without offering as much as a shed of help. You've even started to spread FUD by stating that it's insecure when there's no evidence to back up that claim. You are a troll, and you've been ignored. That's one very small improvement, but still an improvement, yes or no? We do have many more that will improve the user experience for both the buyer and vendor. Also what is your opinion on increasing the accessibility? Any feedback is good feedback if it is constructive. Every new venture is an uphill battle, that we do not deny but one battle we shall enjoy taking on LMAO so if I built a Satoshi Dice clone and gave some prices in local currencies that is an "improvement" but still a direct copy of Satoshi Dice. Accessibility isn't an issue thou so I have no opinion about it, since your dealing with contraband items those people have only one option to do it thru tor, or not. Every new venture is an uphill battle but if you don't see your a direct clone your going to have a big battle in that space, against a big whale "Silk Road". Look at Atlantis same concept and it is failing, so yeah I doubt you win this battle. As stated a small improvement on that part of the concept and one of many changes that makes us different. With regards to TOR being the only option, agreed however taking steps out of the process to help the average person discover a broader world is for the better. Instead of "download tor, find the domain, ensure its the correct domain, connect and browse" how about, go to the same torrent site I always use search TheFreeMarket Official (We already have these accounts registered) download their app/browser click and go. I think that your market would hold a better chance if it offered services on both Tor and i2p since no one offers any services on the latter yet. Namecoin through Tor and i2p might be an option, but I don't know if it would fit into your proposed plans. Also adding support for other popular alt coins such as Freicoin and Feathercoin would increase the potential market for your store. I also think that Atlantis was a far better marketplace than Silk Road in terms of design and speed even though it hasn't taken up due to lack of knowledge, if you make something better you should market it heavily in all spaces you can. |
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Will the source code of your site, when developed, be available for others to tinker with and look at?
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Thanks for your responses, very insightful. I also want to ask, what's the future with your website and partnership with your code monkey? is there a particular altcoin you would like to see added ? We are always receptive to new suggestions.
If it's not too much to ask, would Freicoin be an option in the future? The demurrage feature in the currency makes it ideal for spending. Having a casino to spend it in would be great. |
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