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1  Economy / Exchanges / Re: List of bitcoin debit cards on: November 30, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
What about PAYEER? Any actual Review available?
and their fees?
UQUID vs PAYEER vs XAPO?

Xapo is good. i am using it. it deducts directly from your wallet. so no need to load card etc..

hi
please can you tell me what you mean here with "deducts directly from your wallet"? All cards don't have wallets? Thanks for explanation Smiley

Also I found this on Xapo ToS:

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To add funds to your Fiat Account, simply click on the ADD FUNDS button after logging in. You will be taken through a process that will display different available currencies and methods to send the selected amount to Xapo, depending on your location and some other factors. It is personalized to each user and certain factors involved, so only specific payment options are shown for each purchase order. Xapo charges a fee of 0.2% of the added funds. Also, processing fees may apply depending on the payment method. At the end of the process, the amount received by Xapo will be credited in the respective Fiat Account.
To fund your Fiat Account from your Bitcoin Wallet, simply click on the TRANSFER button after logging in. You will be taken through a process that will display a quote of the value assigned by Xapo to one bitcoin in your selected Fiat currency, allowing you to transfer your bitcoins to the selected Fiat Account. After accepting the quote, we will display a message indicating that the transfer to your Fiat Account is confirmed.



In xapo they have different wallets,  btc and other fiat such as gbp, usd etc.  The default is btc wallet. the information you saw in xapo site is about if for any reason you want to convert your btc from btc wallet to fiat wallet.  there is no need for that for you to use the card. 

so if you send some btc to your xapo btc wallet, your card will be linked to that btc wallet.  every time you use your card, it will be automatically deducted directly from your btc wallet with current price of the time when you used your card.   

  I hope it clarifies.  Cheesy

I see now
I will give a try Smiley
2  Economy / Exchanges / Re: List of bitcoin debit cards on: November 30, 2017, 01:06:50 AM
What about PAYEER? Any actual Review available?
and their fees?
UQUID vs PAYEER vs XAPO?

Xapo is good. i am using it. it deducts directly from your wallet. so no need to load card etc..

hi
please can you tell me what you mean here with "deducts directly from your wallet"? All cards don't have wallets? Thanks for explanation Smiley

Also I found this on Xapo ToS:

Quote
To add funds to your Fiat Account, simply click on the ADD FUNDS button after logging in. You will be taken through a process that will display different available currencies and methods to send the selected amount to Xapo, depending on your location and some other factors. It is personalized to each user and certain factors involved, so only specific payment options are shown for each purchase order. Xapo charges a fee of 0.2% of the added funds. Also, processing fees may apply depending on the payment method. At the end of the process, the amount received by Xapo will be credited in the respective Fiat Account.
To fund your Fiat Account from your Bitcoin Wallet, simply click on the TRANSFER button after logging in. You will be taken through a process that will display a quote of the value assigned by Xapo to one bitcoin in your selected Fiat currency, allowing you to transfer your bitcoins to the selected Fiat Account. After accepting the quote, we will display a message indicating that the transfer to your Fiat Account is confirmed.

3  Economy / Exchanges / Re: List of bitcoin debit cards on: November 23, 2017, 05:04:44 PM
What about PAYEER? Any actual Review available?
and their fees?
UQUID vs PAYEER vs XAPO?
4  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: 10.000 Bitcoins - Gefunden - Versteuern? on: November 13, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Hallo


Bitcoins welche kürzer als 12 Monate gehalten wurde müssen ab 600euro versteuert werden nach dem Wertpapierprinzip in Höhe von 30% bei Privatpersonen über die Einkommenssteuer.

Wenn Ihr die Coins +12 Monate gehalten habt ohne eine einzahlung oder auszahlung vorgenommen zu haben, so sind diese steuerfrei und müssen folglich auch nachgewiesen werden beim Finanzamt. Ich würde euch raten einen Anwalt sowie einen Steuerberater zu kontaktieren, da bei einer falschen antwort an das Finanzamt unwiderruflich nichts mehr gut zu machen ist.


die andere möglichkeit ist, steuerfrei Gold zu kaufen da dies durch das neue gesetz jetzt nur noch bis 10.000 euro möglich ist. Jedoch viele grosse Riesen wie zb die Degussa mehrere Mitarbeiter zur verfügung stellen, welche dich noch nie gesehen haben und somit immerwieder 10k verkaufen dürfen.


*Die Grenzwertige möglichkeit wäre ( ich stifte niemanden dazu, und erläutere nur die erfahrungen von 3 personen die mir ihre erfahrungen aus erster quelle gesagt und gezeigt haben! )


Eine Offshore firma zu eröffnen über einen Treuehänder in der Schweiz,Luxemburg oder Zypern, dadurch erhälst du auch direkt ein Offshore Konto.

Das geld auf das sogenannte offshorekonto einzahlen und dann über diese Firma zb das Geld ausgeben ( Immobilienkaufen, der Treuehänder wird dich beim Notartermin vertreten und das Objekt auf deine Offshore firma kaufen.

* Dies ist einfach geschildert, denn weiter in die Materie will ich öffentlich nicht eingehen.


sehr gute einfache Erklärung
5  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: 10.000 Bitcoins - Gefunden - Versteuern? on: November 12, 2017, 04:07:01 PM
und hoffen, das der BTC-Verkäufer nicht zu viel Infos von dir hat. Den er fliegt auf mit dem Geldschein. Und wird dann als Opfer alles dran setzen, dich ausfindig zu machen. Den seinen 500er ist er los, weil es nun Hehlerware ist. Und du bist nicht nur der Fundunterschlagung dann angeklagt, sondern der Hehlerei.

Zumindest wenn dir bewusst ist, das es Unterschlagung war. Sonst bleibst bei Fundunterschlagung.

In wie weit du zuordenbar bist bzw auffindbar ist dann andere Sache und wenn du clever genug warst, dürftest du aus dem Schneider sein. Aber erwarte nun nicht, das dein Posting deine Glaubwürdigkeit und Vertrauenswürdigkeit gefördert hat. Wenn also demnächst die Leute Vorleistung von DIR fordern...nicht traurig sein,

ääää verstehe nicht ganz hier,
Muss man auch jetzt die Käufern fragen, woher sie das geld haben? Das geht doch nicht.
Du hast ein Shop, der Kunde kommt und kauft sich was mit einem echten Schein, willst du noch wissen woher er die Scheine hat?
Oder bist du jetzt strafbar weil du es nicht gefragt hast lol
6  Economy / Exchanges / Re: List of bitcoin debit cards on: November 12, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
What about PAYEER? Any actual Review available?
Will appreciate your feedback
7  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: BTC Gewinn Versteuerung und Angabe über Herkunft? on: November 03, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
Wie schon weiter oben gesagt: wenn du die Einkünfte aus Dienstleistung schon versteuert hast, musst du nur drauf achten, das die Spekulationsgewinne älter als 1 Jahr sind. Also wenn du 1000 Euro bekommen hast, in Form von 2 Btc vor weit mehr als einem Jahr, dann wären die 1000 Euro im Jahr der Einkünfte zu versteuern. Den Kursgewinn von aktuell ungefähr 11.000 Euro würdest du Steuerfrei bekommen.

Ich vermute aber mal, aufgrund deiner Formulierung, das du die Einkünfte NICHT angegeben hast. Damit ist es Steuerhinterziehung. Und das willst nun verstecken. Sagen wir es mal so, wenns bei der Dienstleistung nur um 1000 oder 2000 Euro gegangen ist, wobei 600Euro im Jahr sowieso steuerfrei dazu verdient werden dürfen und du sagst, das du keine Unterlagen mehr über diese Kauforder hast(vieleicht wars ja Face to Face gekauft), wird das Finanzamt auch nicht groß nachstochern. Weil die Kursgewinne wären ja eh steuerfrei aufgrund des zeitlichen Abstandes.

Wenn du allerdings größere Summen so verstecken willst, sagen wir mal als beispiel 10.000 Euro aka 20btc damals, dürfte es genug sein, das ein FA-Beamter sich mal Gedanken macht. Immerhin, 10.000 Euro abzwacken aus dem Verdienst zum Investieren, das muss zu deinem Einkommen passen. Und das wissen die ja. Bist du nun Manager mit 250.000 Jahresgehalt, ist es plausibel. Warst du Hilfsarbeiter mit Mindestlohn, sieht das nicht mehr besonders glaubwürdig aus.

Bedeutet: erregt das ganze Verdacht oder nicht, ist es plausibel oder unglaubwürdig. Und zwar aus Sicht des Finanzbeamten. Und danach entscheidet der, ob er weitere Zeit investiert und kontrolliert. Der kann auch nicht jeder kleinsten Ungenauigkeit nachlaufen. Und wenn man dann mit ihm gescheit redet und nicht drauf rumhackt, wie recht man selbst hat und wie doof er doch ist, sondern sich "unterwürfig" kompromissbereit zeigt, ohne dabei gleich nachzugeben, kommt man ziemlich weit mit überspielen von Ungenauigkeiten. Wenn ich sage, ja, da war ich einfach völlig blauäugig und hatte zu wenig Ahnung, was ich alles aufheben muss und das Webseiten eben auch mal weg sind, weil Unternehmen Pleite gehen, kommt man oftmals ganz gut durch. Mit: wenn ich ihnen sage es war so, dann ist es so, rennt man ziemlich sicher gegen die Wand. Behandel ihn wie einen der gewissenhaft seinen Job macht, dann behandelt er dich auch so. Und glaub mir, ich war in Marokko auf dem BASAR/Altstadt Tanger und im Finanzamt und konnte nicht sehr viel Unterschiede feststellen. Feilschen auf hohem Niveau.

hahah alles klar! Cheesy
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Warning: Poloniex on: November 02, 2017, 11:09:58 PM
in my experience the only thing you can do with poloniex is just wait , I had a terrible experience with them in the past and all I could do was waiting till they finally sent me my money ( I waited over 2 months )
I know it sucks but I doubt that you can do anything with it , just please keep us updated

I hope the community will start taking action and stop using these exchanges , at the end they are worthless without users
hope that one of the trusted community guys create an exchange

exactly! Without users they are worthless.
Guys stop using that shit service now!
9  Economy / Exchanges / Re: List of bitcoin debit cards on: November 02, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
What about PAYEER? Any actual Review available?
and their fees? are they fair?
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to cash out Bitcoin anonymously? on: November 02, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
It's impossible if you want to use exchange, however you could try looking your local bitcoin community for buy/sell bitcoin offer. Not really anonymous since the platform you use to communicate with seller/buyer might not secure and the seller/buyer could know about you, but it's better than use exchange.
Also, you could try spend your bitcoin for goods/services since you can buy some goods/service with bitcoin while keep your anonymity.

that's very true
but by many $$$$$$ i think you can't end up spending in good or services, at least not fast  Smiley
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to cash out Bitcoin anonymously? on: November 02, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
There are some exchanges through which you can cash out your Bitcoins if you don't have too much Bitcoins. However, if you are willing to cash-out large number of Bitcoins then you have to do it from multiple exchanges adhering to their limits and rules. you can even use Localbitcoins and multiple payment options having an anonymous facility, you just have to check the options such as SMS not required and ID not required.

Thanks  Wink
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to cash out Bitcoin anonymously? on: November 02, 2017, 04:19:56 PM
I know that you can sell your bitcoin to trade plattform like coinbase etc.. BUT you need to verify your identify, so it' s not anonymously.
How do you cashout your bitcoins anonymously then?


There are a couple sites that give the highest level by not asking for ID and such, but those are still watched and there is no real anonymous FIAT movement out there. Those sites are easy to use and the level of anonymity is pretty good, but they also end of taking heavy fees and the other users hit you hard when you are vulnerable with crappy exchange rates.

I think finally i will just not do it anonymously Smiley
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to cash out Bitcoin anonymously? on: November 02, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
I know that you can sell your bitcoin to trade plattform like coinbase etc.. BUT you need to verify your identify, so it' s not anonymously.
How do you cashout your bitcoins anonymously then?


Why do you need to do it anonymously? If you coins are clean then a simple verification would not hurt.
But if you really want to keep it anonymous then just look for a trader who is willing to trade with cash
personally but this will be a high risk trade. I read a thread here in the forum that he tried to trade
personally somewhere in EU and he was given bag full of paper. Just do it safe and if you have someone
to accompany you that will be better.


Well not doing anything illegal. But there are many valid reasons why someone would not like to reveal his identity.
Just like Cash, there are many reasons why you would not like someone to know how much cash you have with you. It's not always about illegal stuff.
If you are football-interested, then you know what Ronaldinho did recently, he was not doing basically anything illegal when creating these fake companies, he eaned the money from football playing and was not ready to pay off lol
14  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How does Bitcoin Trading really work? on: November 02, 2017, 02:19:51 PM
so why not just hiring someone to trade my coins and earn % on it?   Cheesy
Such services available here?
15  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to trade Bitcoin anonymously? on: November 02, 2017, 02:12:01 PM
In the USA, good luck, other places there is still a good chance. We still have clients that combine sites like localbitcoins and trading for the exit strategy, but believe what you want, there is little that is anonymous in the real exchange of FIAT to BTC and back again. Despite what you feel and believe, there are eyes on you every minute of the day, and they know what you do and do not do.
If you want to keep yourself anonymous while remaining in the world of trading, then I believe it is just your dream which can never be fulfilled. You actually need to reveal your identity and if you do not reveal it, even then you will be exposed.

There is no point of doing trade and that too keeping yourself anonymous. If you want to get into trading, then you have to get yourself ready for all the things.

Good point
But what do you mean here with "you will be exposed"
16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Warning: Poloniex on: November 02, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
I think we should avoid Polo
They have bad support and bad reputation
Not worth anymore
17  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How does Bitcoin Trading really work? on: October 31, 2017, 05:23:29 PM
You are correct that trading is basically just buying low and selling high. If you want to trade BTC/EUR, then find an exchange that has that trading pair. There are also a few things to keep in mind when trading:

1) Choose a reputable exchange and don’t put all of your money on it. I never fully trust an exchange because they could get hacked or just steal your money. Or they might just run the site poorly and you could lose your money.

2) Try to always buy when the price dips and sell at a peak. The problem is that sometimes you think your selling high and the price just keeps going higher. For this reason, a lot of times I don’t buy all at once or sell all at once to leave myself some leverage.

3) Make sure that your sell is high enough to cover the fees and make a decent profit.

Thank you!
Any recommandation of plattform?
By how many % should I sell?
18  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to trade Bitcoin anonymously? on: October 31, 2017, 04:55:40 PM
Hello community,
I have earned some Bitcoin in the past by selling some services and products. Currently I keep all my coins on Electrum Wallet.
However I would love to trade them, but I want to keep my anonymity. Basically I want to have them on some trade exchangers just for sell/buy when price goes up and down.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Also Any website I can use to trade anonymously.

Thank you very much!!!

If you’re looking to buy Bitcoins anonymously then the easiest way would be to buy Bitcoins in cash and in person. Use Local Bitcoins to find someone who is willing to sell Bitcoins for cash next to your physical location. You can use an alias email address to sign up to Local Bitcoins and the verification id process they have is optional.

I'm not looking to buy. I have already Bitcoin. I just want to trade with these coins I own already and anonymously and I don't want to withdraw to fiat. For that I will use Localbitcoin.

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but I want to keep my anonymity.

you said:
I have earned some Bitcoin in the past by selling some services and products.

Did you do any illegal business, like stealing or fooling someone?

LocalBitcoins Trader Charged for Running Unlicensed Bitcoin Exchange


" n indictment published by Detroit TV news service WD-IV reveals that a 52-year-old Michigan man, Bradley Anthony Stetkiw, was recently charged with running an unlicensed money transmitting business after selling nearly $150,000 worth of bitcoin between 2013 and 2015, out of which over $56,000 were to law enforcement agents.

The indictment reveals that Stetkiw went by the name “SaltandPepper” on peer-to-peer exchange LocalBitcoins and that he had a number of positive reviews on his profile. He advertised his services by stating that he was the most reliable and honest trader in Oakland County, and arranged to meet customers at a Tim Hortons restaurant, in Bloomfield. "



Good article. No I don't fool people or something like that. I sell good services on my website, and get paid in BTC. That's all.
This article is very interesting in the way that I'm asking myself, how this guy got arrested? Meaning he sold BTC to some clients which where cops  Grin That's what I was saying regarding the issue with face-2-face exchange via LocalBitcoins.

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Hello community,
I have earned some Bitcoin in the past by selling some services and products. Currently I keep all my coins on Electrum Wallet.
However I would love to trade them, but I want to keep my anonymity. Basically I want to have them on some trade exchangers just for sell/buy when price goes up and down.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Also Any website I can use to trade anonymously.

Thank you very much!!!

i think if you register in the exchanges, you don't need to register with your details because you only need to trade. but i think if you can upgrade to higher limit then you will be able to deposit and withdraw the big money when you are make a lot of money and the exchanges will take care of you so you don't need to be worried about anything. beside that, if i take a look at bittrex or ploniex, people is welcome to visit their site and buy something or just to look around but the point is we an doing trade bitcoin anonymously but our status is not secure because we are not become verified members in the exchanges.

I had a look this morning on Poloniex - first thing when I registered, they ask me to get ready for Webcam check. I did not even have time to see how their UI looks. nothing, that's not fair to handle like this. Bittrex I will give a try soon, although their website does not look really funny.

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Hello community,
I have earned some Bitcoin in the past by selling some services and products. Currently I keep all my coins on Electrum Wallet.
However I would love to trade them, but I want to keep my anonymity. Basically I want to have them on some trade exchangers just for sell/buy when price goes up and down.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Also Any website I can use to trade anonymously.

Thank you very much!!!
Why do you want anonymity? The possible reason I can think of is either you're under 18 as a few exchanges don't allow minors to be registered and another reason is that you live in some country which is apparently not in favor of the US,as some exchanges are committed to its policies.
Don't get me wrong but it would be better if you reveal yourself ,because anonymity is mostly essential for people who do shady business.
but many more of us do not want to pay taxes from the money they earn. I think that this is a very strong argument in the direction of anonymity of earnings on the crypto currency. But I wonder how things will be, when many states today begin to legalize the crypto currency.

exactly!!! It's not always about fooling people as you might think!!!


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In the USA, good luck, other places there is still a good chance. We still have clients that combine sites like localbitcoins and trading for the exit strategy, but believe what you want, there is little that is anonymous in the real exchange of FIAT to BTC and back again. Despite what you feel and believe, there are eyes on you every minute of the day, and they know what you do and do not do.

very true!


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Hello community,
I have earned some Bitcoin in the past by selling some services and products. Currently I keep all my coins on Electrum Wallet.
However I would love to trade them, but I want to keep my anonymity. Basically I want to have them on some trade exchangers just for sell/buy when price goes up and down.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Also Any website I can use to trade anonymously.

Thank you very much!!!

Browse through some crypto exchanges, register on them and check their rules and regulations, plus read carefully their terms of services. Use the exchange to buy/sell bitcoin that does not ask you much about your personal verification.

Apart from that, you can also use a premium VPN service to hide yourself more.

any recommendation please??
19  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How does Bitcoin Trading really work? on: October 31, 2017, 04:40:59 PM
Thank you for your answers.
I will search as well for
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candy support lines

Can someone explain me please what is really "altcoin"?? Roll Eyes

I though Altcoin = bitcoin??

20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to cash out Bitcoin anonymously? on: October 30, 2017, 05:23:55 PM
you can sell to localbitcoin or you can sell at your community, its very anonymously.

Well, what about if no one in my community is interested in BTC - i mean my friends, family


There are a few ways to sell BTC with identity verification.
Local Bitcoin is a popular peer to peer exchange platform, you can post a trade if you are not in a hurry to sell BTC.
Another way is to get an anonymous BTC debit card and cash out your BTC. You can also sell BTC in marketplace, but remember to use escrow.

Here again:
ATM have always camera. Cheesy But the question now, If you are using your own ATM card (meaning you did not use someone's else card or stolen card), where should be the issue even if they have you on camera? These data will be not kept forever and even if, you did not break any law by withdrawing your money. Or did you?


LocalBitcoin is good, but make sure to select Trusted Trader, otherwise you can run into troubles  Cheesy
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