Mining still actual. With the increased interest in mining and the electricity costs that come with is, it bodes well that Hydrominer is looking at a sustainable way to do this. Already has MVP.

Is this coin mineable?

Interesting, but i am not sure how that renders the whole business model illegal, please explain if you have an insight on this.

Meanwhile, the poor 'investors' from H2O money grab are still waiting. Never mind them, the 'team' is too busy planning an even bigger crypto heist. Watch your Bitcoin.

Can you tell us more about upcoming projects? I wanted to know more about white paper

All this supposed mining equipment in place from the first ICO and magically, they need even more 'investor' money.
Now with a minimal 140K entry! Pretty audacious, someone please send a memo to the Austrian finance departement.

Thanks I will watch out for details on Telegram. Any idea on when that will be roughly?

I'm not sure what part of world you come from, but I live in Russia and have almost limitless supply of energy below Envion's average price point (listed in whitepaper, again), so energy is never a problem for those who know where to look to invest and are actually invested into mining (read: not 1 4x gpu rig in their basement, but a farm of at least 10-15 rigs).

If you say you follow Envion closely, look at the reviews they are given by profesesional ICO community (at best, reviewers give it 3 out of 5, some call it sketchy, its all in google, mate).
What stops me from being invested in this is the fact that I have not seen a single person who is an actual miner on their team. Engineers? yes. Consultants? yes. Marketers? Hell yes. Miners? ...
+ the fact that they are compiling tons of low hashrate gpus + the fact that they want to buy millions of dollars worth of s9 (which as some forum mebers pointed out before is impossible due to shortage of supply we already have), how do you still believe they will make up to their promises? Have you seen a mockup of a business model? Geographical destinations for "low-cost energy"? Cost mitigation plans (i.e. new more powerful asics on market, heavy increase in difficulty of mining, switching to lower cost grids, etc)? All I see is 1 mini-demo and a lot of marketing with broad words but no specifics (been discussed many times like hundreed pages ago).

3 more risk factors:
- They promised a big4 audit by Dec1 like several months ago - where is it?
- They promised a patent on their "cooling system" - where is it?
- They just made about $21 mln in fundraising, but they got only a couple of engineers on board, who is going to assemble all of this in time to give you first payout in the end of January?

"huge profitabiliy in mining" - imagine what happens to profitability if someone pours $150 mln's worth of tech into the pool of 5-6 most profitable cryptocurrencies that yield 30-40% more than their lower-margin competitors. Do u even know what mining difficulty is? In just 2 months my etherium generation dropped by 20%, this is just an example. BTW, their current calculations do not account for crypto rates fluctuation and assume they are flat

Now, again, I'm not saying Envion is a scam, but I'm saying these people have no idea what they're doing and the promised 161%/yr ROI is not possible with this team and with this approach AND with these deadlines.
Don't trust my word, go check out how other industrial miners operate and pitch for capital and then come back and look at Envion again. To me it seems like ur not doing ur homework but instead screaming out on the forum mate.

So you can speak for HitBTC? This information is fact and comes straight from the admin of the Telegram Channel. As far as I know even HitBTC approached Envion directly to list them!

Investards of HM are jacking off all over themselves in knowing that two months from now they'll start getting their share of 30% of the REPORTED profits from them public-facing 240 S9 bitcoin miners, but won't see one satoshi of those bitcoins produced from the other ~560 S9 miners they paid for located in some for-real secret data center/warehouse near or far from some damn Austrian dam.

Noticed that NOT ONE of Team HydroMiner has disputed my ~800 S9 bitcoin miner claim because ... wait for it ... THEY CAN'T! HM is on record in what they paid and received - U$1M worth of S9 miners - and we know the RETAIL price of them, of which we also fuckin know that their team member in China help secure some wholesale rate, perhaps equating to ~1,000 S9 miners.

To recap, if you believe the shit that HM is throwing at you, then either you truly are a RETARD or love getting fucked up the ass sans lube.

It will list on HitBTC shortly after ICO. Later in january there will be more exchanges announced.

First off, those miners are NOT located at hydro dam site. That's a rented warehouse.

Andreas stated that it's a secret location, but HydroMiner is on record in stating that they offer regular tours of their facilities to H20 token holders, among others.

HM just purchased ~800 S9 bitcoin miners but ONLY 240 are shown in this facility. Where are the rest?

Andreas alludes to reading this thread.

It's regretful that we have to ban anyone from the Telegram channel, but we have a responsibility to our 12,000 members to encourage productive and respectful discussion.  Every member has the opportunity to ask questions and get answers.  It is our responsibility to communicate accurate information about envion to those who are interested.  It's possible that you may not find satisfaction in our answers.  The polite response to that situation is to move on to another topic or leave the group.  

Repeating the same question and ignoring requests by admins and other members to stop cluttering the group and trolling is not an acceptable response and one that leads to sanctions.  Your questions will never get you banned, a bad attitude is certain to get you banned.

Envion does not reveal its suppliers or pricing information.  Period.  This information falls under the trade secrets category for any and every business and revealing it not only jeopardizes the relationship with suppliers, but it also reveals information that could give competitors an advantage.  It is no coincidence that the people most dissatisfied with our refusal to provide this information are in fact competitors.  

@Saschaman is a competitor.  He knows that given the small number of hardware suppliers, it's very easy to determine where hardware is coming from—even if information on the deals is heavily redacted.  Saschaman admitted so much on Telegram—simultaneously saying we should just black out certain information, but also saying that it would be easy to determine what sources are.

Envion considers this type of questioning to be an adversarial attack by a competitor.  

We are confident that our investors understand that banning competitors for rudely demanding trade secrets is done as a protection for their investment.