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starik69, please supply current proof to the contrary of what I am saying.
Proof of what?  That new beta was not tested on 250 or 2500 nodes?  But you alredy know that this is the fact.  But in your turn you have no proof of your words - that "ability to scale properly to process transactions at lightning speed" and "will scale almost linear" - this statments are laughable concerning 25 nodes.  All yours and others personall attacks on me clearly shows the lack of arguments on your side and my uncomfortable questions stay unanswered  Bounties and time period is not worth doing it  Prove the recent testing and development have not resolved the sync issues as you claim please. The proof you are requesting will be made available to you and everyone else in just a few weeks. The ability to scale can easily be tested by adding more nodes to the network. Whilst testing we started with a base number of nodes. As the tests scaled up (we added more nodes) the capability of the network was indeed very close to linear. Again you do not have to believe me, the proof will be made available to you and everyone else in just a few weeks. Personal attacks? Not from me. If you mistook any of my previous statements as a personal attack I believe you're somewhat over sensitive. That's it? The time period doesn't float your boat and your greedy? So you're still having to find something negative to say instead of something like "Isn't that a crypto first" or "Damn that takes some balls" or even "Not bad, but if it was me I would have (enter constructive criticism here eg:- made a longer time frame and higher bounties)". |
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starik69, please supply current proof to the contrary of what I am saying. All you are spouting so far is old inaccurate info that can now only be considered FUD. I have been a part of the eMunie team for well over a year, I am in the development team private chat 24/7 and am up to speed with what does and does not work. I am happy to supply unclassified information with as much reason and accuracy as possible. You however are being unreasonable in your responses. You essentially are calling people liars for supplying information that is accurate without first doing any reasonable research into your replies to supply current proof of your claims. Personally I do not care if you believe me or not, maybe instead of focusing your negativity at eMunie you could do something a little more constructive with your time. Maybe if you have the skills you could apply them to our bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=772582 |
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You clearly do not understand the Block Tree design that Dan has explained numerous times over the past year+. For example "fork problems?"; Block Trees are designed to fork, it makes the system far more secure and will lead to a lighter wallet resource wise. Less data to process and store makes syncing less of an issue than you seem to think it is.
Yea tests have never been of any use to indicate real world performance for anything. o.0
Syncing was great problem in previous open betas just after they were "tested" on 25 nodes. This is fact. With all that Trees design. So your argument is irrelevant.  Btw, has Dan disprove cap theorem? I just emphasized the operative part of your post. Yes there "was" a problem to start, this has been resolved during testing and development. Firstly no, Dan has not disproved CAP theorem. The use of a block tree means that guaranteeing Consistency (all nodes see the same data at the same time) is not required. So long as a portion of nodes see a portion of the same data at the same time all is good. Secondly, block tree's allow HIGH Partition tolerance because a block tree is allowed to be partitioned, (or forked in lay terms). Hence the only guarantee we need to provide as per CAP theorem is availability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAP_theorem |
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1. ability to scale properly to process transactions at lightning speed. Test of 1 million transactions in just over 24hrs....done, test complete. We are talking Visa scale capability. As the network grows so does the speed. What is the max you ask.......the network we tested on was 25 nodes in size and spiked to 70 tx/s This will scale almost linear to the number of nodes.
25 is very bad. How you can scale lineary without sync and fork problems? This sandbox tests say nothing about real production You clearly do not understand the Block Tree design that Dan has explained numerous times over the past year+. For example "fork problems?"; Block Trees are designed to fork, it makes the system far more secure and will lead to a lighter wallet resource wise. Less data to process and store makes syncing less of an issue than you seem to think it is. Yea tests have never been of any use to indicate real world performance for anything. o.0 |
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I donated 0.2 BTC to DEV at the very beginning, he promised to treat it as investment but until now I don't get anything, DEV is NOT honest!
Donation is not an investment. Man, he promised it will be treated as investment, if I promised something, I will honor it anyway. Nobody has got anything yet as it is still in beta. You're over jumping the gun a little don't you think? |
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Thanks Oizo, however Mega wont let me DL it. Two different browsers and it just sits there saying "starting", however it is lying. Will update if I ever get my hands on the wallet. Made another one: https://www.sendspace.com/file/zxx394Thank you, syncing. |
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Thanks Oizo, however Mega wont let me DL it. Two different browsers and it just sits there saying "starting", however it is lying. Will update if I ever get my hands on the wallet. |
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NEW WALLET RELEASE ! v1.1.0.0 Hello Guys, I can finally bring you a new version of the wallet ! It has been long overdue but here we are after many days of frustrating bug fixes. We bring you v1.1.0.0 of the WhiteCoin wallet! What has been changed in this release?- Complete new redesign of the wallet (hope you like it otherwise blame me)
- Multilanguage, thanks to all the translators !
- Detailed explanation under "Help" on how to enable TOR
- Built in block-explorer
- Network statistics
- Better summary page
- Complete audit and investigation of the source code, making sure no errors have been left by the previous
developers. - Removed the "clone" label with a unique wallet
- Some general bug fixes.
So with that thrown on the table let me tell you what's our next step: Thanks to the generous donations and fund raising on the new ideas and projects we are gonna start with the #1 on the list. "Known User Transactions". currently this is still under heavy discussion on how we are gonna handle things and build it in. But as we speak we are already working on it. A further roadmap will be released once the complete team is 100% back on track. There is still much to be done on the UI, but we are willing to release smaller wallet updates faster than you have been used from us. Known User Transactions in short:Your wallet would be certified by a trusted third-party entity that has established authenticity of your identify based on information that would normally be deemed too confidential to provide to a point-to-point entity. Along the same concept has acquiring an SSL Certification for your Web Site whereas you have public and private keys. Thus, when transacting business peer-to-peer, identity is established without either party needing to question the trust relationship. Shair has holdings via DandyID, so conceptually may work in and around that type of service where you actually have a third-party entity to broker and administer that relationship in the coin (and could extend to other coins as a value). many possibilities exist within this framework, but balance decentraliziation with any new feature is always a tough challenge. We have had many questions about where mogonzo is at. well he is still onboard and i speak to him a few times a week. He will be fully commited to WC again at the start of September. And that's not all, i just received a message from Jason (Shair.com) that they will announce some extra developments next week! Feel free to ask questions on IRC on Freenode #whitecoinfoundation.     Any chance of a windows QT? |
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IPO is still on the cards if there is any demand for it, otherwise I'll fund the push out via alternative avenues, mainly my own funds and possibly VC's that are willing to pledge. Depends all on where the balls lay on the table at the time.
Hmm...I wouldn't say careless, they were "protected" in exactly the same manner as my own that were stolen, I was just a big target I guess an worth the effort.
Yeah there has been innovation, but nothing IMO that comes close to what we have (of course I'm biased). Whether others think the same remains to be seen in the coming months.
Lol yeah eMunie has been a troll fest that's for sure.
The whole open v's closed debate, tbh I'm happy with the choice I made to keep development closed. Some stuff would of been easier open, other stuff would of been hindered, but I guess it comes down to am *I* happy with the way things have developed, especially with all the drama, and the answer is still yes.
a fair answer - i think its still interesting, but one person can never out innovate an open market, so you should align yourself with that analogy moving forward. it could be a little bit like a musician writing a song, then coming back months later and saying "what the fuck was i thinking" the point is if you keep it open, the market can say "what the fuck are you thinking" as you go. my point is in the end if the market values this entity it will only be based on the "equivalent force of information" perception. and nothing else. I have been a part of the beta and founder team for well over a year and to be perfectly honest all the new "innovative" stuff that has turned up in the past 12 months throughout the crypto world I first saw discussed and thrashed out on the Emunie shout box long before they turned up in the real world. The vast majority of those ideas and the way to implement them to my knowledge were actually originally brought up by Dan and thrashed out by the team. The man is a machine, put your jealousy away please it is disgusting. |
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wow nice assumption people. No, the project is very much alive and getting closer to release.
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In light of the recent wallet update and upcoming developments, I wanted to share a little thanks to the leadership and community for keeping the dream alive for this coin. I have some personal interest in the use of the coin outside of this community for an idea I have been tossing around for a few months, but one thing does concern me that perhaps the group could shed some light. The amount of coins is limited and based on the previous statements found within this forum, a lot of the folks are staking and have been staking for a period of time. It has also been suggested (or documented) that the number of coins available from the exchanges is limited. To my point. Should I need to provide Whitecoins to clients as a transaction method (lets call it a mobile wallet for lack of another example), I would need to provide those coins to the end-devices from some bank of coins. If I did not personally own those coins, the clients would need to obtain those coins from some source. Other than getting onto the exchange and buying these coins (whereas the coin supply will soon run dry), where else might these folks get these coins to place upon their device? How does the community envision the coin being used as a currency if it's all locked up in staking just to earn interest? This is a serious question, so don't take it as anything else. I am trying to grasp a concept in how liquid this coin would be for end-to-end tansactions and back-end settlement to btc\fiat.
Pretty sure that if folk were willing to pay a lot more than ~70 sats a pop you would find a lot more WC on the exchanges right now. It is called supply and demand, if the supply drops the price goes up in turn encouraging those with more supply to make it available. |
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Can you please start trying to make the first coins unspendable?
You don't seem to care much about this. People think this coin is a scam and I am starting to as well.
You could at least tell us why it is taking so long. Do you have the coding skills to make the first coins unspendable?
Sorry about that little rant but we need to know before we start any development.
Work is still in progress. changing amount in existing blocks will invalid rest of the blockchain. It is not that simple. Moreover I am monitoring the blockchain, I have not seen a single coin been spend from those blocks, had this been pump & dump, it would have been dump the time it hit bittrex exchange. I have to assume those coins are lost, but will try to find safe way to do it without damaging the blockchain. You are more then welcome to code it & provide me a safer alternative, I will implement it. You do not have to change their value, just make those blocks unspendable, much like the BTC genesis block is. Seems painfully obvious the "no pre-mine" is a lie and dev seems to be dragging heals over sorting out the issue. We can assume nothing dev. Those coins are out there somewhere. VC will die if you do not resolve it so the pre-mine will be worthless anyway. The genesis block is spendable though. People think it isn't but it is. I know there is a way for you to obtain the private key but I'm not sure how. From my understanding the first 50 BTC produced in the genesis block are not spendable. However the other UTxO sent to the same address are spendable. I believe that is where you may be getting confused. I think the coins get sent to an address but since no one has the private key for it you can't spend it. "The reason why the genesis block mining reward transaction can not be spent is because the reference bitcoin client doesn't add it to the list of known transactions at startup. If it were a normal block that would happen, but it's not a normal block and doesn't get loaded like a normal block would. Thus any attempt to spend it will look like someone is attempting to spend a transaction that was never made in the first place. Spending subsequent transactions to the address the genesis transaction was made to is possible because those transactions are normal transactions that every bitcoin client knows about." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119530.5;wap2"but since no one has the private key for it" That statement cannot be proven and must therefore be considered false. Satoshi could prove exactly whom they are by producing that key, considering all the other stuff taken into account you think it would have just been discarded with no consideration of potential future use for it? Just need the first 100 blocks to be treated like block 0. |
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Can you please start trying to make the first coins unspendable?
You don't seem to care much about this. People think this coin is a scam and I am starting to as well.
You could at least tell us why it is taking so long. Do you have the coding skills to make the first coins unspendable?
Sorry about that little rant but we need to know before we start any development.
Work is still in progress. changing amount in existing blocks will invalid rest of the blockchain. It is not that simple. Moreover I am monitoring the blockchain, I have not seen a single coin been spend from those blocks, had this been pump & dump, it would have been dump the time it hit bittrex exchange. I have to assume those coins are lost, but will try to find safe way to do it without damaging the blockchain. You are more then welcome to code it & provide me a safer alternative, I will implement it. You do not have to change their value, just make those blocks unspendable, much like the BTC genesis block is. Seems painfully obvious the "no pre-mine" is a lie and dev seems to be dragging heals over sorting out the issue. We can assume nothing dev. Those coins are out there somewhere. VC will die if you do not resolve it so the pre-mine will be worthless anyway. The genesis block is spendable though. People think it isn't but it is. I know there is a way for you to obtain the private key but I'm not sure how. From my understanding the first 50 BTC produced in the genesis block are not spendable. However the other UTxO sent to the same address are spendable. I believe that is where you may be getting confused. |
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Thank you Mystic Peg, I will keep that in mind.  |
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my own brother was involved in a Ponzi
He invested $10 with Madoff? he "invested" in Telexfree, biggest pyramid sceme in Brazilian history From the bitterness you display I can only assume more was "invested" than could afford to be lost, if not then with all due respect so what. And if so, erm don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Pretty simple game tbh.  bitternes? lol read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8124408#msg8124408I read it before and thought your brother sounded like an idiot then in all honesty. Maybe he should look at it as an education, after all they cost money too. Don't you feel back promoting something that is most likely a ponzi? I think you should! All are innocent until proven guilty. Do your own due diligence. It is pretty obvious in this case. It is like a guy with an axe in the hand, covered in blood comes out of a house where a dead body with axe marks lies. Still innocent? Sure there might be a 0.0001% chance he is, but come on... More than 1/1,000,000 pick up a murder weapon at a scene without thinking especially if it was by a loved ones body. Yea blood gets everywhere. Rather crappy example you found there. I think a safe bet is never invest more than your IQ, or a comfortable factor there of. Furthermore Shaky, I assume you promote BTC? So when a vastly superior alternative takes over and there are loads of BTC bag holders left making it look like the largest ponzi in history, you will be feeling bad? Or from today you'd rather no longer promote BTC? Denial is good thing I guess, keeps you guys happy. I do not promote BTC, I just like the concept of it. Other than BT bitcoin really does add value to the world and not just scam people. Well, whatever makes you sleep at night LOL you never mention BTC to anyone? I think you just discredited yourself as a probable liar. You feel the promotion that BT has brought to the BTC community the past few months through sponsorship has zero value? Please explain your view on this as I draw a blank when trying to understand your position on it. |
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Can you please start trying to make the first coins unspendable?
You don't seem to care much about this. People think this coin is a scam and I am starting to as well.
You could at least tell us why it is taking so long. Do you have the coding skills to make the first coins unspendable?
Sorry about that little rant but we need to know before we start any development.
Work is still in progress. changing amount in existing blocks will invalid rest of the blockchain. It is not that simple. Moreover I am monitoring the blockchain, I have not seen a single coin been spend from those blocks, had this been pump & dump, it would have been dump the time it hit bittrex exchange. I have to assume those coins are lost, but will try to find safe way to do it without damaging the blockchain. You are more then welcome to code it & provide me a safer alternative, I will implement it. You do not have to change their value, just make those blocks unspendable, much like the BTC genesis block is. Seems painfully obvious the "no pre-mine" is a lie and dev seems to be dragging heals over sorting out the issue. We can assume nothing dev. Those coins are out there somewhere. VC will die if you do not resolve it so the pre-mine will be worthless anyway. |
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my own brother was involved in a Ponzi
He invested $10 with Madoff? he "invested" in Telexfree, biggest pyramid sceme in Brazilian history From the bitterness you display I can only assume more was "invested" than could afford to be lost, if not then with all due respect so what. And if so, erm don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Pretty simple game tbh. bitternes? lol read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8124408#msg8124408I read it before and thought your brother sounded like an idiot then in all honesty. Maybe he should look at it as an education, after all they cost money too. Don't you feel back promoting something that is most likely a ponzi? I think you should! All are innocent until proven guilty. Do your own due diligence. It is pretty obvious in this case. It is like a guy with an axe in the hand, covered in blood comes out of a house where a dead body with axe marks lies. Still innocent? Sure there might be a 0.0001% chance he is, but come on... More than 1/1,000,000 pick up a murder weapon at a scene without thinking especially if it was by a loved ones body. Yea blood gets everywhere. Rather crappy example you found there. I think a safe bet is never invest more than your IQ, or a comfortable factor there of. Furthermore Shaky, I assume you promote BTC? So when a vastly superior alternative takes over and there are loads of BTC bag holders left making it look like the largest ponzi in history, you will be feeling bad? Or from today you'd rather no longer promote BTC? |
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my own brother was involved in a Ponzi
He invested $10 with Madoff? he "invested" in Telexfree, biggest pyramid sceme in Brazilian history From the bitterness you display I can only assume more was "invested" than could afford to be lost, if not then with all due respect so what. And if so, erm don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Pretty simple game tbh. bitternes? lol read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8124408#msg8124408I read it before and thought your brother sounded like an idiot then in all honesty. Maybe he should look at it as an education, after all they cost money too. Don't you feel back promoting something that is most likely a ponzi? I think you should! All are innocent until proven guilty. Do your own due diligence and never invest more than you would be happy burning. |
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my own brother was involved in a Ponzi
He invested $10 with Madoff? he "invested" in Telexfree, biggest pyramid sceme in Brazilian history From the bitterness you display I can only assume more was "invested" than could afford to be lost, if not then with all due respect so what. And if so, erm don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Pretty simple game tbh. bitternes? lol read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8124408#msg8124408I read it before and thought your brother sounded like an idiot then in all honesty. Maybe he should look at it as an education, after all they cost money too. |
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