I was already skeptical day one, when I watched a hardfork creating a new cryptocurrency coin, changing a number from 1 == 2 for the blocksize.  Then calling it Bitcoin "Classic" <-- Just screams hostile takeover.  Same nefarious tactics used on other industries such as Inciting fear, uncertainty, doubt, deception, diversion, "Problem-Reaction-Solution", divide and conquer, etc. Hardforking changing just one thing, then releasing it as if it's new software that's going to save everyone? Wouldn't it be better to fix/add/maintain  many big things during the fork, negating future problematic issues?

Well, classic already has forked from core on github. They are running Classic0.12.0 nodes against the core /Satoshi:0.12.0/.  One problem is you can't get a straight answer out of anyone who seems to support Classic.  When you make an attempt to gain understanding, by asking questions/debate, they downvote , divert , swear, and ridicule you.  Even when presented direct with actual information on the bitcoin protocols.    When you check out  https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Classic:0.12.0/ browse through the pages you will see more than half the nodes are non-economic groups of them on the same network, under the domain of amazonaws.com. (Witnessed a group of 1000 nodes turned on at the same time, as well as 500 from a guy who admitted to it)  I would have to run through all the nodes again but the last time I checked they were holding well over 60% on one domain.

Try to talk to anyone on reddit about this and you get blasted.  It looks like a Sybil attack by definition.  Throw the fact that people constantly have had to correct so many people who are "classic" only supporters, giving out false information to others... Sik /..Corrected same person twice now within a day of each other, the guy is still up posting the same incorrect assertions as before. In one other discussion I watched a guy tell people that china won't accept "classic" because their ASICS couldn't handle the 2MB upgrade.  Then try to say something about china being centralized with more than 51% of the hashing power.  Chinas mining pools have stratums in many countries. Miners jump from pool to pool at times seeking a greater reward.  In some cases mining a different coin with the same SHA-256 algorithm like digitalcoin  ... I tried to ask where they get their information from, and they won't ever say anything. After I explained that the mining hardware will work just fine, 2mb will effect the full nodes that don't have a lot of ram to spare. Miners would possibly do better considering by theory 2mb was supposed to allow more transactions.  Inherently adding more fees to the reward when a block is found.  Yet, you haven't seen many miners move over to classic (Think around 20-35 PH/s.  Miners hashing "classic". Where the core is at 1.2 EH/s Or 1,200 PH/s)

Also would notice that "classic" absolutists/extremists go on some kind of weird smear campaign on Adam, an intelligent long-time cryptocurrency contributor/developer, and President of Blockstream. (ask them why and they slander you, or just throws like 5 links to other discussion channels that still don't answer anything.  I can't say I have seen the cryptocurrency space get that ugly ever before.  Seemed to pick up a great deal when those deceptive Bitcoin Unlimited, XT, and Classic started seeing the light.  Same with the slow transactions.  Blocks didn't reach the full blocksize and were doing fine, untill the every block filled to near 1mb, seemed to me that the inputs were being "padded" with NULL info just to add space.  (Problem, reaction, solutions).  Then add those silly pranksterz who were flooding nodes with itty bitty transactions( Some with a tiny fee, others with none).  Think that's when the slowdown happened for anyone who didn't increase the trans fee when sending from their wallet providers.

Then I could never get past the fact that when you hard fork from bitcoin it becomes an altcoin. Their are only a few altcoins that seem to want to add the name Bitcoin in it, they are Bitcoin Unlimited, Bitcoin XT, and now Bitcoin "Classic".  Now Bitcoin has competition of well over 150 different crypocurrencies, all with amazing innovative options that separate from bitcoins blockchain.  These altcoins that change one thing and claim to be the next bitcoin, appear to me as a hostile takeover from opensource volunteered, labor of love developers.  Brian Armstrong CEO of Coinbase had been making what I would interpret as a call to be leader of bitcoin.  Yet he didn't seem to have the technical knowledge( same with classic supporters, diversion from technical debate... because they hate it or something)... Brian is great at Marketing no doubt about that.  However their has been a huge influx of venture capital funds that have flooded into many different blockchain/cryptocurrency related entity's.  Guessing shareholders are getting very twitchy, they want to see an ROI NOW!%!$@#! Coinbase being one of those companies that received a good portion of that capital has me feeling uneasy.  Along with shouts to whatever news organization willing to spew such unproductive, uninformed, hate crying out to others that Bitcoin needs new developers.  He(Brian) just incites division in an already fragile atmosphere.  I don't trust coinbase, or Brian Armstrong at all really.  I have no problem trusting the current developers and contributors.

It may have been due to ego in a couple situations.  I believe it's a little more complex then that.  The supporters exclusively supporting classic don't give me the impression that they even want to try and understand.  They are doing a job it would seem.

The choice is yours, Classic - Core.. 

Sorry for the disorientating rant, but I had to kinda vent.. This community, and others like it has been increasing my level of insanity breaking the bar....! Personal Bests! Plus sleep deprived,.

Please stop that, you are not helping at all.  All you are doing is dividing people by saying crap like that, you call people that name when they have been around since before the site blockstream even went up, it looks stupid.

I checked the nodes, a different IP doesn't mean different computer.  I can run more than 10 virtual computers on my one computer and have separate IP, and mac addresses,  for all of them.  Look at all those on https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.

I think it's just gross, and a waste of resources. Running more than 5 nodes on the same domain/network is just pointless.  You are not doing anything but propping up the numbers when doing that.

Yes, however bitcoin doesn't have over 75% of the nodes running on one service.  I see deception here in the case of bitcoin "classic".  Not only is the name terribly deceptive, now this?  Classic is the most deceptive altcoin out there in my opinion.  It just seems as an excuse for others to say "We moved nodes to amazon because of the DDoS'ing".  All those individual nodes are better off under one domain?  This doesn't make sense.  On top of that you have people calling others "blockstream fanboys".  WTF is that?  wasn't blockstream just a tool to search through the bitcoin blockchain (Not a very good one)?  When did this become some red vs blue campaign?  This crap didn't start till Bitcoin XT, Eth, and now classic.  I don't remember any of the other altcoin team members mocking people using bitcoin qt?  Please, don't take this the wrong way, nodes are great to run on cloud services like amazons, just don't think it's a good idea to have more than half your nodes under one roof per se.

I kind of find it odd no one here is the least bit curious as to why bitcoin classic would artificially boost node numbers...  Is anyone out there?  If people can be deceived this looks like a pretty good way.

Bitcoin copyrighted, perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say? The entire source code, and platform is released with an MIT license.  As long as you include the same license, everyone is free to copy, modify, distribute, monetize the software underlying Bitcoin, and most of the other cryptos..   Someone could trademark the name Bitcoin still, I think... Will have to check on that..

While a determined group may be able to exercise the ability to control all the nodes, install/implement custom software that doesn't allow inputs from targeted groups, or people.  That would inherently alienate the end-users.  I would think simply moving to a different altcoin not dominated by a single group would be the solution to that problem.  

When the people who are broadcasting bitcoin nodes, block finding/confirming transactions with miner, and crypto trading platforms are jailed, and/or charged for those activities.  Then you will know Bitcoin has been assimilated into the current monetary structure controlled by hierarchically established entities.  If you have to purchase a license to use send/receive cryptocurrency, ASIC mining hardware, from your state/government then you will know of centralized bitcoin control.  Nobody can freeze assets on the blockchain as is, it is imperative that it stays that way.  Even if senators, presidents, or other reps cry for control/regulation under ruses such as like money laundering(Physical USD is still the best for this), illegal markets, violation of current monetary laws, and other nefarious reasons to get the masses scared (Problem-Reaction-Solution time right? Pffft...) inherently obliging/supporting to all the proposed new laws around this "speculative commodity"/currency.  Look at who is all stuffing those shiny quarters in input slot of the Pseudo-Representative of the state/government proposing the new laws.  

Or, such is the case in the USA (most castrated country I think when it comes to monetary policy) watch for them ninja bills that seem to keep finding themselves attached to happier named bills that have no relation, to the primary bill.  Attached to pass.  If the house, and senate can pass through bills such as the original Patriot Act into law.  Anything is possible.

Hashing SHA256 since around 2001 or 2002, way back when I used to mod on the Quake 2 engine Half-Life variant for various development teams. ( The Half-Life modding community, and Valve software has a space in my heart forever. ) Muddled with some programs like the fold@home I think it was called, and other openSource software. My memory is a little vague but I remember solving blocks(? don't think it was blocks like today but solving the keys) on an old 400Mhz P2 PC in the early 2000's.  Wish I still had all my hardware from the past, but thanks to the mindlessly, paranoid, aggressive, ignorant, vindictive state of mind my father had after divorce I have nothing of my past. (Positive note: Did learn a unique lesson on the illusion of ownership, possessions, and value of inanimate objects. ---  When you lose everything of sentimental/trade value, you would think you become empty, worthless, and sad... Quite the opposite happens)

At any rate, I was intrigued by the ability to utilize my computer processing resources as a collective rather than individually.  Effectively turning a couple of old Pentium 75Mhz Packard Bell computers into a unified-processing platform.

Got into open source because I couldn't afford a license for professional software "boxed" for tools needed to develop/modify a complex 3D game engine.   Which had your computer solve complex math problems received from a separate server, then submit the results. Learned a little on programming, intermediate C++, animation, 2d texture, 3D modeling, world mapping, scripting, sound modification, pretty much the whole gambit.

The major news, and media organisation researchers/writers/reporters still can't seem to grasp the concept of openSource.  Seems to be standard practice for all the news corporations to misead/misinform/fabricate information on anything they fear, and don't understand.

Look what they did to the groups that used to frequent 4chan, irc channels, icq, and other mediums. Successfully labeling a constantly changing unnamed leaderless groups of random people as a "hacker collective" called "Anonymous".  News organizations consistently apply labels, and affiliate associates to events.  The publication under Satoshi was just a clever blueprint for integrating already available open source applications.  Nothing had to be invented in the beginning.

Hell I used to play around with some of the software underlying the bitcoin platform before it was considered a "speculative commodity"/currency long long ago.  If I remember correctly, It was under the same category as the fold@home way back in the early parts of 2000-2002(I think that's what it was called from MIT).  Collective computing, solving complex operations.

While people outside the cryptocurrency community may be influenced by these pseudo-stories the news companies try to feed the public. The die-hards, and those from within the community will always know the truth.

If you want to know who/what is behind Bitcoin, learn about open source software (GNU License), programming, and system integration.  Then get in a time machine, and go back to before 2002 (Things changed in an interesting way in regards to obtaining valid, credible facts/data after 2002 ... acK).


Remember Bitcoin, and cryptocurrencies don't exactly help the current worldwide monetary system yet.  I believe it's still regarded as a threat ( If allowed to become mainstreamed/widespread adoption , the reports I read seemed to point out frequently) to the current banking, holdings, trading, credit conglomerates.  These same companies have unlimited budgets when it comes to subverting use of cryptocurrency for "national security", and other purposes.  If it wasn't for that illusive "unknown AI entity" crawling through all the major data centers, and private networks, and the blowback from the die-hards, I am damn sure cryptocurrencies would of been snuffed out/pacified/destroyed back before BTC skyrocketed past the price of gold.  Was friggin DEFCON 5 red alert for the IMF/Federal Reserve when that happened, lol shareholders were NOT amused.

Sorry to rant, but It's just something to keep in the back of your head.  There are forces that are purposefully, and accidentally subverting this idea of a publically held/updated/maintained ledger that will never be controlled by governments/shareholders.

This is a technology that benefits all who breath oxygen. Subversion is not going to stop till a way is found that will benefit all the public, and privately created entities profiting off the current monetary system. Innovating new business models that incorporate both fiat, and cryptocurrency based allocators of resources into related business operations is the only way to avoid substantial hardship for various sectors during the adaptation period.

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Seems we are kinda moving off the topic.  Or am I to take it that it is OK to flag people early?

Thank you tomatocage, though I still do feel that your negative comment is a little premature.  I believe you could of just left a regular comment.  It kinda hurts to see that negative rating, so early in my registration on bitcointalk.org.

Your wrong tomatocage.  The two loans are due November 1st.  Now because of the negative comment,  I might get to miss out on a great deal going on at bitmit.com.   I have two block erupter blades on order, and was hoping to get 2 more to add to my mining rigs.  Now since I have been flagged I may not get the loan.

I'm not really crying about it.  Just wondering if anyone else believes that this is a little too aggressive.  Some people are legitimately trying to run a business, and are looking to establish positive feedback.  I thrive on positive feedback.

Go here

https://btcjam.com/users/6225

It shows you my repaid loans.

I assumed you were talking about the only one that I have due at the moment.  As I said in the first post on this topic.  The other two active loans are due at the beginning of November.  I am keeping the BTC in BTC-E.com for the time being.  At least till the price of LTC goes back up.

Wrong, considering that the loan you speak of that is due has already been paid off.

A week ago I was flagged by some people, and received a negative comment from tomatocage for a post topic that I created.  tomatocage has a great reputation, and seems to spot scammers very well.  However, does anyone else believe that this is just a little aggressive?

Does anyone else believe that its wrong to flag people before they have done anything to deserve it?

Its still early, I've seen it jump up before.  A lot of people seem to take high risks on this website.  For high gains of course.  I'm willing to fit that model until I obtain the positive rating, and trust.

I spose your right,  however I'm sure by December 1st it will be to late to pick up 2 more blades.   Just throwing out a Hail Mary here.

Also, it was done prematurely.  I figure the people who do there research are the ones to invest anyways.

This investment is NOT for everyone.  I listed it, because I am excited at the low price of the block erupter blades.  I would like to purchase as much as I can.  I am able to cover this loan before December 1st, 2013.  If  I am able to fill this loan than I will have over 50Gh/s.  

The listing is here if you want to check it out:
https://btcjam.com/listings/7037

I am in the process of having my credit score verified, so check back later if my rating is to low for you to invest.

Also note that I have 2 currently active loans.  If your wondering why I have not payed them off before listing a new one, it is because I am still making money on them on BTC-E.com, and they are due November 1st.  The price of LTC is way low, and I have been gobbling them up.

One more thing you will notice is that I have been flagged here on bitcointalk.org,  this was from tomatocage. I believe it was flagged prematurely(check trust comment).

The negative comment on ebay is from an LCD screen that cracked before I shipped it.  Had to cancel, and refund customer.  This displeased him very much since the screen was for a another customer repair.

Thank you for checking it out!

Eric Quesnel

You can find all my personal information through google, or BTCJam.com