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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [LAUNCHED][POW]⚡ELECTRONEUM⚡Official Moderated Thread on: May 08, 2018, 10:33:46 PM

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here criticism is inappropriate, I think you are not an investor if you think so.
remember how slowly grew bitcoin,
this is the only project where you can process transactions from your phone, this is a revolutionary company, just have to wait...
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I like the project and the whole concept but even in the Whitepaper I could not find where the value comes from in the mobil mining. When it does only emulate the mining process in the mobile APP and not actually add to the blockchain what does it actually do With the CPU power of the users? Could anybody pls enlighten me?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: March 20, 2018, 09:17:48 PM
You can create a thread on the scam accustations section with necessary proofs then the DT members will take action against them if you got necessary proofs to show.Then no one will trust you if you are accusing an reputed site without any proofs.So colletct the details and make a thread in scam accustations.
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Bro pls be serious. Did you read OP? It is stated clearly what happened. I can summarize it again for you. I log in and send balance from wallet to poker room. I get an error message. I try again and get same error message. I log out. Next day I log in and the balance is gone.
No withdraw. Check records and see transfer to poker room went through 4 hours after the error message and after that it is gone. Contact Betcoin support. Rep says you lost your money playing. I say pls let me see hand history. Rep tells me to literally fu&% off. 2 weeks later Betcoin closes Poker room. Support is not replying to emails. This is so obvious. And pls be resonable. Betcoin is a well trusted site? Come one brah. You kidding me? Pls google "Betcoin" and see the google auto complete. And why is the trust rating of their official rep like -200 on bitcointalk? All over this forum there are accusations against this shady site. Just because I did not happen to you? I am not writing this here for my benefit. My btc is gone. I do this for all fellow gamblers who like to punt their money away by themselves. What kind of proof can I provide? Pls let me know? Is the simple fact that the betcoin software/wallet was not working properly including sending my balance to the not 2FA protected poker room (from the 2FA protected wallet) 4 hours after the sending command was given not enough to be pissed? Is the complete denial of the Betcoin support about this simple fact not telling you something? So gamble wherever you like but not on Betcoin. This is my own experience. Do with it what you like.

PS: I am used to gamble for large amounts of money for 10+ years. I never had such a bad experience. This is not about me crying for my 3.50 $. Why should i inflict this large amount of writing into some random scam accusation? Why did my post in the Betcoin thread got insta deleted?
3  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: March 19, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
I have not had problems with Betcoin myself, but I have heard a lot of people had so I'm not surprised about this thread...
be careful on what youre saying or posting....where did your get the idea about this?is this your way to destroy our views on betcoin?as of now im not experiencing the said scenario and for that im thankful.if i were you be observant so that you cannot experienced the scam your are telling us.
Dear betcoin rep posting here with new account pls use a better translator, refund me or get out of my thread.
4  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: March 19, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
I'm sorry for your loss.

You need to move this to the Scam accusations thread.

Betcoin already has a red tag and it had it for a long time and people still gamble there o.o
Why? I really don't get it.
People still gamble there because when you google "betcoin" 1001 self made blogs pop up promoting the site and vouche for it. Also in this forum there is lots of counterspeach in favor of betcoin. Obv from ppl involved with the site. But you are 100% on point. It is stupid to gamble on betcoin. And that is exactly the point i am trying to get across here. So when you google betcoin. You find resources hinting you to the truth. Betcoin is a SCAM. Do not gamble there. Point blank.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: March 19, 2018, 03:19:39 PM
This is not a right place to discuss about the gambling related topic. Better this op can create a thread on gambling discussion section to discuss about it. If there are thing related to scam by this site.
Better write about them on Meta or Scam accusation section to resolve it.
If you find you got scammed in gambling then why you invest again on the other shityard bro.

I dont understand what you mean? I got scammed once not twice. The matter is not gambling related. The account got comprimized by the operators. This is a service retated topic. But will also post in the scam section. Did i miss something here?
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: March 06, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
@jossiel:

Thx for the reply. I posted in the thread you pointed me too and the post got insta deleted.
If you read through the diffrent threads on bitcointalk regarding betcoin there are scam accusations all over the place.
This site is not legit. Their rep did not reply to my questions. Never had an issue on any other site. Betcoin is a SCAM.
I invite any Betcoin rep to join the discussion here.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Betcoin is a SCAM on: February 13, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
Hey jossiel, exactly. That is like further proof that it is a system error, wallet misfunction or outright steal from betcoin. As stated in op i transfered from wallet to poker room got error messsage and hours later transfer went through but no chips in poker account. Support told me chips were lost but refused to give out hand histories. I am playing poker for 10+ years and never sth like this has happened. It is not about the amount. This is a warning to all my fellow gamblers. I never complained about any site ever before. Dont play at betcoin. Betcoin is a scam. Betcoin is not legit. Stay away from Betcoin.  
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Betcoin is a scam on: February 13, 2018, 04:13:59 PM
I have to believe that Betcoin (poker) cheated me out of my 0.05 btc before closing their business. This is a warning to everyone using their service. You crypto is not safe with them.  Someone logged into my account and chip dumped the money somewhere. I had a unique password and 2fa setup. On betcoin you have a wallet and the wallet is 2fa protected. I logged in to play and send my btc from the wallet to the poker site. I got an error message that the service was temporaly unaviable. After 20 minutes i signed off. I can see that the btc was transfered to the account a few hours later. It has not been withdrawn so I assume someone chip dumped it. I believe it was betcoin employers ripping off customers before going out of business. Beware they reopened the service again. Do not use betcoin under no circumstances.

I wrote to support about this but the just brushed me off like "that has not happened - you have just lost the money". No i have not. After exchanging 2-3 mails with their Zendesk the support Email was offline and mails got returned. They said they checked the IP`s and no one besides me was logged in. Betcoin refused to provide the hand historys which lead to the loss.
Betcoin.ag is a scam and their managment is shady. They will take your btc whenever they like and tell you to fu$% off. Do not deposit at betcoin. I can provide screenshots of the mails and log in history if needed. 

If you have made the same negative experience pls post in this thread. The incident occured on 21.11.2017 right before they went out of business.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/8387-betcoin-poker-shut-down-on-christmas-day.aspx

Betcoin is a scam. Beware. I mean just look at their official bitcointalk rep with his -256 trust level. Lol Betcoin. Lol.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115

PS: The betcoin rep deleted my posts in all betcoin related threads.
9  Economy / Gambling / Betcoin is a SCAM on: February 12, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
I have to believe that Betcoin (poker) cheated me out of my 0.05 btc before closing their business. This is a warning to everyone using their service. You crypto is not safe with them.  Someone logged into my account and chip dumped the money somewhere. I had a unique password and 2fa setup. On betcoin you have a wallet and the wallet is 2fa protected. I logged in to play and send my btc from the wallet to the poker site. I got an error message that the service was temporaly unaviable. After 20 minutes i signed off. I can see that the btc was transfered to the account a few hours later. It has not been withdrawn so I assume someone chip dumped it. I believe it was betcoin employers ripping off customers before going out of business. Beware they reopened the service again. Do not use betcoin under no circumstances.

I wrote to support about this but the just brushed me off like "that has not happened - you have just lost the money".
No i have not. After exchanging 2-3 mails with their Zendesk the support Email was offline and mails got returned. They said they checked the IP`s and no one besides me was logged in. Betcoin refused to provide the hand historys which lead to the loss.
Betcoin.ag is a scam and their managment is shady. They will take your btc whenever they like and tell you to fu$% off.
Do not deposit at betcoin. I can provide screenshots of the mails and log in history if needed.  

If you have made the same negative experience pls post in this thread. The incident occured on 21.11.2017 right before they went out of business.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/8387-betcoin-poker-shut-down-on-christmas-day.aspx

Betcoin is a scam. Beware. I mean just look at their official bitcointalk rep with his -256 trust level. Lol Betcoin. Lol.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Betcoin is a SCAM on: February 12, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
I have to belive that Betcoin (poker) cheated me out of my 0.05 btc before closing their business. This is a warning to everyone using their service. You crypto is not safe with them.  Someone logged into my account and chip dumped the money somewhere. I had a unique password and 2fa setup. On betcoin you have a wallet and the wallet is 2fa protected. I logged in to play and send my btc from the wallet to the poker site. I got an error message that the service was temporaly unaviable. After 20 minutes i signed off. I can see that the btc was transfered to the account a few hours later. It has not been withdrawn so I assume someone chip dumped it. I belive it was betcoin employers ripping off customers before going out of business. Beware they reopened the service again. Do not use betcoin under no circumstances.

I wrote to support about this but the just brushed me off like "that has not happened - you have just lost the money".
No i have not. After exchanging 2-3 mails with their Zendesk the support Email was offline and mails got returned. They said they checked the IP`s and no one besides me was logged in. Betcoin refused to provide the hand historys which lead to the loss.
Betcoin.ag is a scam and their managment is shady. They will take your btc whenever they like and tell you to fu$% off.
Do not deposit at betcoin. I can provide screenshots of the mails and log in history if needed.  

If you have made the same negative experience pls post in this thread. The incident occured on 21.11.2017 right before they went out of business.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/8387-betcoin-poker-shut-down-on-christmas-day.aspx

Betcoin is a scam. Beware. I mean just look at their official bitcointalk rep. Lol Betcoin. Lol.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115
11  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: ARBITRAGE APP - OVER 6000 PAIRS ACROSS 25 MOST POPULAR EXCHANGES on: January 31, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Listen... making money and having lots of it is fairly important in my book. But, I also believe in karma and the importance of feeling good from the actions i take. Everything has a beginning and  an end. This arbitrage model without a doubt will too eventually come to an end. I do make arbitrage when i have time (this is not my primary source of income).  I'd rather share the app and make new friends, rather then keep it all to myself, nevertheless If i pass tomorrow, I won't be able to take any of it with me Smiley

As I had mentioned before, I was shocked by the amount of useless data that is being given by the fellow members . What is the point of having half of these threads here, if none is willing to share a working model.
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If you believe it or not this answer totally satisfies me as I belive in the same principles. For some people it may seem foolish
but none of them made a happy or calm impression to me. Keep up the good work bro Smiley
12  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Vouche Group on: January 31, 2018, 03:20:01 PM
https://t.me/cryptomarketalert_bot?start=fe5159ad
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For good arbitrage - you need bot help. I liked this one personally. Hope links are okay  Grin


what is this???

I would like to know but definetly not klicking on it Smiley!
Yeah unfortunatly the days of the 30% premium seems to be gone.
Someone must have figured it out as the spread is nearly gone globally.
So if you figured it out and got very rich. Pls tell us your story here as we would like to hear the tale.

13  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Vouche Group on: January 27, 2018, 05:30:57 PM
Thx for all the input so far guys. Just keep em coming. We are already gathering competence in this thread. Generally said yes it is very hard to do but after you established infrastructre opportunitys arise and you have to look at these relationships from a longterm point of view.

@gopnik:
Of course bad things can happen but you can also get into a car accident. Just because it can happen dont mean it will. Regarding the 50k usd sending limit
I think it is not a good idea to break it. Much better idea for a korean is getting all his friends involved and stay in the legal boundaries.
This is a business for people trying to grow. If you already have a certain wealth it makes not much sense. But as long as you keep transactions in certain limits there is nothing to loose. Most people work for 3-4 k eur a month. If you could have like 10 dudes where you just make 100 eur profit a week we are already talking about a second salary here. You are definetly right that under current market circumstances it is not very profitable but the premiums will hopefully rise again. Buit yes the more I reserach it the more I come to the point that it might be to less reward for such high risk strategy.
As long as the premium was 30% it looked promissing. Still not giving up on the idea. Thx for you input anyway.
14  Local / 한국어 (Korean) / Re: Arbitrage Vouche Group/중재 주머니 그룹 on: January 27, 2018, 05:18:42 PM
Hey sanaamar,

please write me a message to: tradetothelimit@protonmail.com
or add me in Telegram: @DieViehper

15  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Vouche Group on: January 25, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
Arbitrage in cryptos is not profitable. The fees always negate any profits generated. Swing trading is a lot more sensible and very practicable for expert traders.

Sorry bro. But how can a 30% premium not be profitable? Someone from lets say Australia (10% premium) can send me unlimited amounts of money for very good exchange rates and small fees. How can this not be profitable. With xrp we are talking about 2 minutes transaction time. Trading involves risks. Arbitrage is much more safe volatilitywise. It has a expected value you can calculate. The only risk is the human. Like always Smiley. You can not open accounts on korean exchanges and withdraw fiat. Only a Korean can. It is 100% legal for him to do this with you as long as he not sends more then 50k usd overseas per year. All you have to do is find a trustworthy Korean. And as Koreans are generally very well educated, behaved and crypto affine the chances are high of getting to know someone who is legit.
Especially if he is vouched for. And just for the record. I`m doing it already with 5 people (2 are privat friends I personally know) and it is profitable. Of course I can not risk to roll too much money in one sending because of obv risk managment reason but overall it is very profitable equity wise.
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Vouche Group on: January 25, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Well, some might screw you over, but some will pay very good dividends.

I’ve been on the selling side and we make 5-7% profit/person for each transaction.
I could screw the sender and get like 1000USD. However, Im making more in a long run, so why would I?

There are liars and cheaters in every communities. You just need to decide yourself.

For the partnership, I dont think any senders would want to find a new guy to help him sell coz you’ll have to go over the risk/trust process all over again for maybe 1-2% extra profit.
As for reciever(seller), getting new/more partners would means more $$.

I,myself, would love having more partners to send me to sell. But good partners are hard to find.

ps. Ive been working with hodlsquat and it’s been very successful so far.
if you want proof of successful tx, feel free to ask ^_^

Nubby Nub is one of the guys I`m currently working with. We met through a mutual telegram group. He is genarally a very nice guy
and was always 100% on point. We talk on a daily basis and grow trust every day. Game theory implicates that humans tend to be cooperative if there is mutual benefits to be gained.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_game_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

Of course as a sender you have also a responsibility of not leading your partner in temptation.
Lots of people are honest as long as you don`t break certain limits. What these limits are is totally depending on the financial situation of someone. Mostly people who are intrested in doing this are not rich by any means. It is real work to make this work.

@Pursuer: Thx for joining the thread. I feel honoured a legendary member is joining the discussion. You are totally right. No one will just give "their guy" away. If you have such a guy and are in the comfortable position of exchanging large sums with him comfortably then you only have something to loose. I have to insist on the vouches not being legit. Like you said (I also stated it previously) most people joining this thread who I have worked personally with or will be reffered by someone else will be newbie accounts. But lets say you or someone decides to take my voucher for "Nubby Nub" as legit and starts to arbitrage with him. He then can come to the thread later and confirm if everything went as supposed to. So if a legendary member like you decide to give this a shot your reputation will mean a lot if you vouche for someone.

All "Nubby Nub" or someone else could do is rip off once. But he can build lifelong trading relationships if he keeps it real. My thinking behind this is: Give someone 100k and he has a high incentive to stiff you as it is a big amount of money for most people. Send 50 people which have been vouched for 2k and they have a high incentive to send back as they would like to repeat the process and 2k is not a big sum for most people given that you loose your source of income after scamming once. I`m not saying this business involves no risk. But I played Poker long enough to spot a +EV situation when it presents itself.

The biggest obstacle is the relationship and trust building and thats what we can accomplish here. Also like in Crypto in general
I like the open source approach in this case. Together as a community we are much stronger then alone. It would take literally hundreds of millions to wipe out all existing premiums. I`m sure there is enough bread for everyone around here.

@SrEasts
Glad you joining the thread Sir. You are of course right. Someone can create many accounts and vouche for himself. But it will take only 1-2 scam accusations to get his rep ruined and his business killed. So I think it is a high percentage chance that scam accusations are legit. Of course someone could create accounts and try to ruin the rep of someone. Will have to think about a counter strategy for this. If you have any ideas let me know. It is also possible we choose someone reputable from this thread as an escrow for example. Everything we can think off is possible. For now I`m glad people joining the discussion.

Some genaral thoughts:
This is all based on trust. This is not for everyone. Maybe 1 of 1000 people is settled enough as a personality to do this properly.  
We need to be transparent at any time with. My suggestion is we give each other a 5% cut of each sucessful transaction made due to this thread. Same should go for the sellers. I trust "Nubby Nub" enough that he will gladly pay me this 5% if he grows his customer base through this. I recommend "Nubby Nub" to everyone to do this. He sent me back up to 2k Eur without any problems. He needs an Invoice to send out money from his country but the rest works like a charm. He provided me with a copy of his ID without me asking.
If you make business with him please post in this thread and send me 5% of the profit you make trading with him.
If you choose not to I will out you in the thread as "Nubby Nub" will tell me with who he got in contact. And even if you choose not to pay up and he chooses not to tell there are potential benefits for me. If "Nubby Nub" gathers liquidity he might be confident in alternating who sends first or can start to send first himself. Also I belive in the universal law that when you bring good things to people they will bring back much more then you put in. Thx anyone for the contribution to the thread this far. Keep em coming.

PS: I have a private Server with a privat chat. If we get this thing going I will invite everyone proven legit in this thread to the chat which is password guarded. So we can establish a secure room for communication. If you have any suggestions or proposals regarding this just let me know.
 


17  Local / 한국어 (Korean) / Re: Primedice # 1 Bitcoin 도박 웹 사이트 | 증명 가능한 100 % 공정함 on: January 25, 2018, 10:11:22 AM
If you are from Korea and intrested in Arbitrage with overseas please join this thread.
해외에서 Arbitrage와 한국 출신 인 경우이 스레드에 가입하십시오.
Arbitrage = 거래 암호

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2820631.msg28883074#msg28883074

If you can translate the sentence to proper korean feel free to do it. Korean is so methaphoric and has so many meanings that the online translators usually do a horrible job.
18  Local / 한국어 (Korean) / Arbitrage Vouche Group/중재 주머니 그룹 on: January 25, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
I am trying to gather people from Korea and overseas in this thread. There are big opportunitys to profit from the premium in the korean markets. As any Korean is only allowed to transfer 50k usd per year overseas we need to form a group of trustable people to make this work. If you are from Korea, have an account on one of the korean exchanges (bithumb, korbit, etc.) and want to join please provide your contact details here (mail,telegram,etc.) If you are from overseas and comfortable in sending first please provide your contact details as well. We will keep track in this thread who is trustable and who is not. I will try to get the three Koreans I`m currently doing this with to join the thread. All we need to do is build a base of intelligent people who understand that doing proper business with each other will bring 100x times the profit then scamming someone.

I will try to translate the text to korean because of the language barrier. If anyone can translate the text to proper korean it would be greatly appreciated as all translators for korean are bad because of the difficulty of the language. Korean has many meanings and metaphors so it is usually just rubbish what comes out of the translator. Anyway here we go.

나는이 실로 국내외에서 사람들을 모으려고 노력하고있다. 한국 시장에서 프리미엄으로 이익을 얻을 수있는 큰 기회가 있습니다. 한국인은 해외에서 연간 50k 달러 만 전송할 수 있으므로이 작업을 수행하는 데 신뢰할 수있는 인력 집단을 구성해야합니다. 한국 출신이고 한국 교환 (bithumb, korbit 등) 중 하나에 계좌를 갖고 싶으시고 여기에 귀하의 연락처 정보 (우편, 전보 등)를 보내주십시오. 먼저 연락처 정보도 입력하십시오. 우리는 신뢰할 수 있고 누가이 스레드에 있는지 추적 할 것입니다. 나는 현재이 일을하고있는 세 명의 한국인에게 실에 합류하도록 노력할 것이다. 우리가해야 할 일은 서로간에 적절한 사업을하는 것이 100 배의 이익을 가져다주고 누군가를 사기하게된다는 것을 이해하는 지적인 사람들의 기반을 구축하는 것입니다.



19  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage / Easy money for new people on: January 25, 2018, 09:31:47 AM
If you really want to do arbitrage as a strategy it would be better to have a partner from the other exchange and you split the profit.
This idea is good but we need to believe on the partner to keep his words all the times and with this idea too we cannot continue arbitrage as long as prices trades in gap. After some particular point, we need to move funds. But both of your ideas guarantee making use of price gap at least for one time.
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Hey PokerFace3,
trust building is the biggest obstacle in doing this. I created this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2817211.msg28842082#msg28842082
to gather the people who are legit about doing this. All you need is another decent human being on the other side of the world and you can have a lifeterm business relation with mutual benefits. I`m not saying this is easy or not risky but it can be done.
So everyone who wants to be part of the solution please join the thread and chime in. Everyone who is part of the problem please stay away.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Arbitrage on: January 25, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
i use arbitrage often, but only with the exchanges with xrp pair, because that means fast deposits and withdrawals. Always first test a exchange how long does it take to deposit or withdraw. It got difficult nowdays because of the bots working everywhere.

Hey Disam, xrp is the only currency which is really convenient for obvious reasons. It is fast, cheap and many exchanges have it.
Are you only arbitragin with yourself? I created this threat:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2817211.msg28842082#msg28842082

to gather information from people arbitagin with other people to realize the bigger premiums like the korean markets.
I`m already doing it with people from Korea,Thailand and Australia. But the process of sending first and transfering back by bank wire involves patience as trust is the biggest obstacle in doing this. If you had a real good friend moving to the other side of the earth you could do it with him. So it surely would be cool to have a threat where people document their story
and experiences of dealing with each other. If there a transfers documented and rated it would give me bigger confidence in sending to someone. There are definetly good people out there which you can trust with large amounts of money because they have moral values and generally a stand up and honest personality. As you can scam people only once but make 100x the profit if you find someone who is legit I`m willing to take that risk. So if you or anyone in this thread have any experience with arbitragin involving sending to other humans I really would like to hear your story.
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