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Regular users won't have to deal with or see Ardor. All the fancy Nxt features will be on Ignis.
And with a basic transaction fee of 10 Ardor, trading Ardor on-chain will be rather expensive.
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what's up ?
NXT is up. The ICO of Ignis (well, the placeholder token JLRD for now) starts this Saturday. And people need NXT to buy JLRD. |
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Go answer some support tickets you have ignored.
They'll be processed in due time. Right now we prioritize the interests of the majority. Sorry, this is how it's done everywhere. No, you are prioritizing trolling in this thread, obviously. You could have handled all those emails easily by now. You think trolling is more important than taking care of your investors. And 'in due time' doesn't mean anything, 'in due time' you'll come up with more excuses and tricks to not have to give these people what you owe them. |
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This thread has now collected evidence and documented the experience of several IOTA purchasers whose manual claims have been ignored for almost one year now. We have seen that contrary to the statements by the IOTA team that it is the users' fault for leaving the claim till the last moment, most such users have been trying to claim multiple times since last year, never to receive a response. Others, whose claims may have formally been processed, still can't get hold of their IOTA because the software now doesn't let them access the same addresses. A few users I have talked to privately prefer not to post their case in public, so the number of submitted but ignored claims is actually higher. Several of the claimants I have been in talks with are more than willing to consider taking legal action (and unlike me, do not care to remain anonymous). The IOTA team is no longer unaccountable. Unlike the common scams here, they do have a business presence in the real world and have even managed to attract traditional VC investors. So I would be curious to find out how would Jamie Burke and his partners from Outlier Ventures feel about having their investment in IOTA spent on fending off lawsuits, settling legal claims, and fixing bad PR, instead of on technical and business development? Will they like the fact that the names of Outlier Ventures and IOTA now appear together in the context of scam accusations and lawsuit threats? I plan to ask them. In fact, it may be a good idea for all of you with outstanding manual claims to also copy them, in one last claim request. Their contact info is conveniently posted at https://outlierventures.io/#contact and they proudly (for now) list IOTA as a startup they have invested in. And unlike David, who may just say he never got your request, those guys are used to being accountable and wouldn't take the risk of ignoring you. |
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LOL! Did he really say that? "Will be considered donations"?! You can't just make up new rules as you go along, an take away the properties and rights of your investors  Is this guy really a CEO with a legal team? ROFL
No, I only troll IOTA representatives that are clearly trolls. That's how the world works.
I like endless loops, they are like paradoxes. Go answer some support tickets you have ignored. |
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Just as a reminder, ball has been in Jean-Luc's court for over a week now. As soon as he hands over the information he will receive his tokens. I even sent him a PM reminder earlier today.
As you knew beforehand, he wishes to remain anonymous (like most people in crypto), so you knew the outcome of your stupid ultimatum and are deliberately trying to scam other investors. |
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Go code. As we've established, you've shown no proficiency at anything else.
Or go answer some of those support emails you'll find on the first pages of this thread. Or maybe go find yourself a better lawyer just in case.
I'm coding while replying to you No, if you were actually replying to me, there would have been no need for me to post about IOTA reeking like a scam anymore, and I would have stopped. It's simple logic. But you already admitted in this thread you're not serious about replying or even fully reading posts by people you have cowardly declared trolls, because their posts are too critical of IOTA. So just like David, you are full of shit and arrogance (power corrupts, as I said). Which no doubt rubs off on the company you two are supposedly running (possibly into the ground if you go on like this). Have you found a better lawyer yet? You seem to have the time to post nonsense on this silly forum, but you have no time to respond to your investors' emails. Maybe that could be called 'negligence'.
I'd say you'd be behaving like one, but that would be an insult to little girls all over the world.
See, with every new post you just prove that you are a troll. Surprised you get what you deserve?  No, I only troll IOTA representatives that are clearly trolls. That's how the world works. Why don't you go answer support tickets from people that were foolish enough to trust IOTA to be a serious company?
KYC and then what ? naked pic ? suck dick ?  I'm not anonymous and I'm not happy with Jean Luc posting on 9th while he should have done at earliest on 12th at decent time, if he wanted to. I can not understand that at all. But your personal affairs are not my business, and my business is already harmed a lot by the lack of equal treatment that I'm victim of due to your inaccurate instructions given. So NOW it is time to stop playing games and RESPECT your part of the contact. KYC is not part of the deal, when someone change a deal, we all know what it means. 1. Damage occurs NOW, so Cfb arguments are not strong enough to justify a change of deal. 2. Protection of anonymity is a human right, only absolute force majeur might justify me to go against such conviction, this is clearly not. I believe more than one will think the same. Enforced KYC will then be perceived by me and by others as unjustified, opportunistic use of force, other than for some personal satisfaction, to violate respectable convictions and increase damage made to participant(s) whose treatment had already failed to be treated fairly. So is it still an option ? If Yes, I advise you take advise. Quoted for truth.
This thread has now collected evidence and documented the experience of several IOTA purchasers whose manual claims have been ignored for almost one year now. We have seen that contrary to the statements by the IOTA team that it is the users' fault for leaving the claim till the last moment, most such users have been trying to claim multiple times since last year, never to receive a response. Others, whose claims may have formally been processed, still can't get hold of their IOTA because the software now doesn't let them access the same addresses. A few users I have talked to privately prefer not to post their case in public, so the number of submitted but ignored claims is actually higher. Several of the claimants I have been in talks with are more than willing to consider taking legal action (and unlike me, do not care to remain anonymous). The IOTA team is no longer unaccountable. Unlike the common scams here, they do have a business presence in the real world and have even managed to attract traditional VC investors. So I would be curious to find out how would Jamie Burke and his partners from Outlier Ventures feel about having their investment in IOTA spent on fending off lawsuits, settling legal claims, and fixing bad PR, instead of on technical and business development? Will they like the fact that the names of Outlier Ventures and IOTA now appear together in the context of scam accusations and lawsuit threats? I plan to ask them. In fact, it may be a good idea for all of you with outstanding manual claims to also copy them, in one last claim request. Their contact info is conveniently posted at https://outlierventures.io/#contact and they proudly (for now) list IOTA as a startup they have invested in. And unlike David, who may just say he never got your request, those guys are used to being accountable and wouldn't take the risk of ignoring you. Just a friendly reminder. |
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See, simply by declaring anyone a troll, it's easy to evade any tough questions and critical comments.
Come-from-Beyond is the same as Donald Trump calling CNN 'fake news', exactly the same childish behaviour. Remember: power corrupts.
There was a case of trollism cured by me upthread. Go code. As we've established, you've shown no proficiency at anything else. Or go answer some of those support emails you'll find on the first pages of this thread. Or maybe go find yourself a better lawyer just in case. |
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See, simply by declaring anyone a troll, it's easy to evade any tough questions and critical comments.
Come-from-Beyond is the same as Donald Trump calling CNN 'fake news', exactly the same childish behaviour. Remember: power corrupts.
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And NXT holders received Ardor for free, and half of Ignis for free. The other half goes to further development and marketing, which also benefits investors. If the devs just wanted an ICO money grab, they'd have abandoned NXT and NXT holders, and just do a full ICO for the Ardor platform. NXT devs are very kind to old NXT investors  |
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Just put the guy on ignore. He's probably a paid troll.
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A nice update on IOTA can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2000113.0 by Jean-Luc, the lead dev of NXT. He compares IOTA to a scam. It seems IOTA still hasn't finished the claims process and refuses to even respond to emails from investors about this, but instead choses to reply with threats and KYC measures, and of course by trolling the topic. The purpose of this thread is to document the outstanding IOTA manual claims, and the response, if any, they have received from the IOTA team.
The IOTA team has ignored my request to make the process transparent and to publish a list of these claims with the status of each of them. Since they also do not respond to emails or PMs, and there is no clear and up to date information regarding what constitutes a valid claim request, there is a real danger that after the arbitrarily set deadline of July 11th many of the manual claims will be rejected as not submitted in time, or not containing enough information.
I am asking all participants in the IOTA ICO who still did not receive their IOTA, despite having submitted a claim, to document this fact by posting in this thread:
1. The IOTA Genesis account address to which you hold the seed (NOT the seed itself).
2. A copy of the claim(s) you have submitted (with any confidential info removed).
Participating in this thread does NOT constitute a claim submission. You still need to submit your claim to the IOTA team, but posting in this thread should help document what and when you have submitted.
To reduce noise and trolling, I will be moderating this thread and will allow only posts from IOTA stakeholders (containing the above info), or official responses from the IOTA team.
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You're like Trump, anything you don't like, just call it 'fake news'. Very childish. And only dumb people fall for it.
You are just a random dude posting on a random forum... Go code. You're no good at anything else. Well no, let me correct myself. Just like CEO David you're very good at damaging the reputation of IOTA, which smells more and more like a fraudulent scam with every post any of you two make. |
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The first round of ICO will start on August, 5th with the price of 0.4 NXT of 1 JLRD. The starting date for the last one is October 7th and the price 1.45 NXT. The Ardor platform will be launched in Q4 instead of Q3 planned The snapshot at the end of October https://www.jelurida.com/icoWhere can I find a good instruction on what IGNIS? It's the first chain on the Ardor platform. Why another ICO? Another? Were there any ICO's before? Yes, in 2013 with Nxt itself. But I think that's about it. |
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Just imagine, if the time Come-from-Beyond and iotatoken spent on writing their troll posts here, was actually spent on answering the many emails from people that needed support from IOTA... the whole problem would have been solved already.
I suppose lawyers gotta eat too though.
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No, that's how you decide you act. You've managed to make me lose any respect I still had for you. It seems you are the actual troll in this thread.
It's pretty common knowledge that I like trolling trolls. So you gave no useful info. A poor playground excuse for your behaviour, just calling the other guy a troll. You're like Trump, anything you don't like, just call it 'fake news'. Very childish. And only dumb people fall for it. Go and code. It's probably the only thing you're good at. |
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With the first 100% PoS coin, NXT, the 'miners' only get the transaction fees that are in the blocks. All coins are in circulation, no new coins are created.
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Which then totally disqualifies you in the discussion, "not even reading the rest".
This is what trolls get in return, this is how the world works. No, that's how you decide you act. You've managed to make me lose any respect I still had for you. It seems you are the actual troll in this thread. |
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