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As of the time of this writing, the wheel spin bonus costs 594 RP and the base awards are 32 BTC/Lottery/RP. Assuming you value tickets, RP, and BTC equally (for the sake of simplicity), it takes 18.5 rolls to get the equivalent amount back, if you only ever got the base rewards. However, rolls of base rewards make up 900,000,000/1,000,000,000 possible rolls, meaning you have a 10% chance per roll of getting higher than base rewards - 6% chance of 10x rewards, 3.98% chance of 100x rewards, and 0.02% chance of other rewards.
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I still have no idea where i can find wof rolls i got from the bonus rolls lmao.
Took me a minute to find it too. There should be a yellow note at the top of your roll page. You can also go here: https://freebitco.in/static/html/wof/wof-premium.html. Not the most intuitive, I know. On a similar note, I bought the WoF spins by accident because I didn't even notice the RP option was gone and went by memory. Stupid on my part yes, but a popup for changes to the site or rules would be welcome. |
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As an update, Coinpot relented and returned the money. They still thought I was a scammer, but conceded the possibility that it was a mistake. I suppose I have to admit I was wrong about them looking for any excuse to not return the money.
That said, my advice to anyone else stuck in my situation is not to rely on emotional appeals. Be polite, but point out the possibility that they made a mistake, and ask if there is any way they can review other details of your account, or what they would accept as proof of your innocence.
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😂 Protonmail accounts get created all the time sure but how many happen to claim coinpot too?
Is that your argument? That there are 0 people who use Protonmail and are not scammers? My point was scammers are creating Coinpot accounts all the time because they don't care if some get banned. They can make 100 more. We don't even know if they only do this to Protonmail accounts. You are only looking at part of what they said. They said there were a huge number of Protonmail accounts all signed up on the same day from the same IP range. It doesn't matter if was a different email service. They are just stating 3 common factors of a large number of accounts that far beyond coincidence and it is obvious abuse. He said one sentence, and I quoted all of it. It is obvious that someone is abusing the system. My point is that IP addresses can be shared by a massive number of people, as can email provider. So you make an account, and at the same time someone else is creating a bunch of fake accounts (and there's probably never a time when someone isn't making a bunch of fake accounts). And bam, now your account is yet another one created by the scammer, and you have no way to prove otherwise. Regardless of whether you think that I personally am lying, this type of fraud detection is fairly likely to create false positives at some point or another. When that happens, you're automatically a scammer and any attempt to defend yourself is proof of your guilt (this is known as a kafka trap). i think you are massively missing the point here its not that you use protonmail - of course this is a fairly common email provider its not that you use a particular ip address - of course they can be shared, especially ip ranges and its not about the date that you make an account its the very unlikely combination of all 3. its very, very unlikely that you would have by coincidence created a protonmail account on the same day that a bot created loads of other protonmail accounts from within the same ip range i mean, its possible - but massively unlikely - even though the 3 individual parts (date/ip/email) are each plausible and we dont know from what that email says, perhaps they have additional information too I'm aware of the point. My point is that their point is wrong. People are bad at statistics. They'll play a game like XCOM where they have a 5% chance of failure when taking an action, then get mad when the 5% happens because they mentally shortcut 95% to 100%. Here's a follow-up email:  Coinpot says they typically get 3-4 Protonmail accounts a day. On the day my account got created, 3200 got created. So ~3-4 of those accounts are probably legit. A single IP address can represent anywhere from 1 to millions of people. He was looking at an IP range, not a single one, so multiply that by however many individual addresses. The odds can therefore be stated as, "For each of those 3-4 legit accounts, choose let's say 10 million random people. What are the odds that there is at least 1 Coinpot scammer within those 10 million?" Not that bad, actually. That's 10 million rolls of the dice! It's at least not outside the range of possibility. Let's also not forget that scammers are not an isolated incident. This whole thing may have played out in similar fashion at other times, with the same or other email providers. People have this inbuilt trust in authority. Coinpot didn't take *their* money, so Coinpot must be competent and trustworthy and anyone who says otherwise must be a liar. I know that I didn't create 3200 accounts, so I necessarily have to start with the conclusion that Coinpot is either mistaken or lying. I assume mistakes before malevolence, so the simplest solution is that the unlikely HAS happened. you are still missing the point this isnt a computer game with a simple 5% probability it is the combination of at least 3 different factors (date/ip/email) that makes this extremely improbable im not for 1 minute saying you a cheater/fraud (i dont know any more than you do) or accusing you of anything sinister but even with your wonky math above the chances are at least 1 in a 1000 or more like 1 in a million that this could happen so they should check each of those 3200 accounts manually to see if each is possibly (1 in a million chance) a genuine account? A. Date can be removed from the equation. Every day, someone is signing up for a Coinpot account, and probably every day someone is trying to scam Coinpot. The odds of *someone* signing up on the same day with the same email provider as a scammer is basically 100%. B They don't have to check 3200 accounts. They literally have an email address for support. They only have to check the accounts of the people that email them. I have, and the response is, "Well the timing is suspicious, and suspicious is good enough for us." It's literally impossible to prove I didn't do it, so I'm reliant on them unless I want to sue them. And even if I wanted to sue them, I lost about $450, which would likely cost me that much to recover even if it were a sure bet. C. Since then, I've seen another person on reddit claiming to have gotten the exact same line about someone in their IP range making accounts with Protonmail emails on the same day. I admit I'm biased to believe them due to my situation. Given that and other people with Protonmail accounts claiming to be banned, I suspect either their IP range is wide or they're overplaying their hand on how precise their anti-fraud is. At worst, people should remember that while scammers have an incentive to claim innocence, Coinpot also has an incentive to claim guilt since they keep the money. And it's not like they have to preserve their business reputation. |
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😂 Protonmail accounts get created all the time sure but how many happen to claim coinpot too?
Is that your argument? That there are 0 people who use Protonmail and are not scammers? My point was scammers are creating Coinpot accounts all the time because they don't care if some get banned. They can make 100 more. We don't even know if they only do this to Protonmail accounts. You are only looking at part of what they said. They said there were a huge number of Protonmail accounts all signed up on the same day from the same IP range. It doesn't matter if was a different email service. They are just stating 3 common factors of a large number of accounts that far beyond coincidence and it is obvious abuse. He said one sentence, and I quoted all of it. It is obvious that someone is abusing the system. My point is that IP addresses can be shared by a massive number of people, as can email provider. So you make an account, and at the same time someone else is creating a bunch of fake accounts (and there's probably never a time when someone isn't making a bunch of fake accounts). And bam, now your account is yet another one created by the scammer, and you have no way to prove otherwise. Regardless of whether you think that I personally am lying, this type of fraud detection is fairly likely to create false positives at some point or another. When that happens, you're automatically a scammer and any attempt to defend yourself is proof of your guilt (this is known as a kafka trap). i think you are massively missing the point here its not that you use protonmail - of course this is a fairly common email provider its not that you use a particular ip address - of course they can be shared, especially ip ranges and its not about the date that you make an account its the very unlikely combination of all 3. its very, very unlikely that you would have by coincidence created a protonmail account on the same day that a bot created loads of other protonmail accounts from within the same ip range i mean, its possible - but massively unlikely - even though the 3 individual parts (date/ip/email) are each plausible and we dont know from what that email says, perhaps they have additional information too I'm aware of the point. My point is that their point is wrong. People are bad at statistics. They'll play a game like XCOM where they have a 5% chance of failure when taking an action, then get mad when the 5% happens because they mentally shortcut 95% to 100%. Here's a follow-up email: Coinpot says they typically get 3-4 Protonmail accounts a day. On the day my account got created, 3200 got created. So ~3-4 of those accounts are probably legit. A single IP address can represent anywhere from 1 to millions of people. He was looking at an IP range, not a single one, so multiply that by however many individual addresses. The odds can therefore be stated as, "For each of those 3-4 legit accounts, choose let's say 10 million random people. What are the odds that there is at least 1 Coinpot scammer within those 10 million?" Not that bad, actually. That's 10 million rolls of the dice! It's at least not outside the range of possibility. Let's also not forget that scammers are not an isolated incident. This whole thing may have played out in similar fashion at other times, with the same or other email providers. People have this inbuilt trust in authority. Coinpot didn't take *their* money, so Coinpot must be competent and trustworthy and anyone who says otherwise must be a liar. I know that I didn't create 3200 accounts, so I necessarily have to start with the conclusion that Coinpot is either mistaken or lying. I assume mistakes before malevolence, so the simplest solution is that the unlikely HAS happened. |
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😂 Protonmail accounts get created all the time sure but how many happen to claim coinpot too?
Is that your argument? That there are 0 people who use Protonmail and are not scammers? My point was scammers are creating Coinpot accounts all the time because they don't care if some get banned. They can make 100 more. We don't even know if they only do this to Protonmail accounts. You are only looking at part of what they said. They said there were a huge number of Protonmail accounts all signed up on the same day from the same IP range. It doesn't matter if was a different email service. They are just stating 3 common factors of a large number of accounts that far beyond coincidence and it is obvious abuse. He said one sentence, and I quoted all of it. It is obvious that someone is abusing the system. My point is that IP addresses can be shared by a massive number of people, as can email provider. So you make an account, and at the same time someone else is creating a bunch of fake accounts (and there's probably never a time when someone isn't making a bunch of fake accounts). And bam, now your account is yet another one created by the scammer, and you have no way to prove otherwise. Regardless of whether you think that I personally am lying, this type of fraud detection is fairly likely to create false positives at some point or another. When that happens, you're automatically a scammer and any attempt to defend yourself is proof of your guilt (this is known as a kafka trap). |
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😂 Protonmail accounts get created all the time sure but how many happen to claim coinpot too?
Is that your argument? That there are 0 people who use Protonmail and are not scammers? My point was scammers are creating Coinpot accounts all the time because they don't care if some get banned. They can make 100 more. We don't even know if they only do this to Protonmail accounts. |
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So for those wondering what they use to check cheaters...they literally look at what the email provider is for the email address you signed up with, and the IP address.  We have investigated your appeal and found that your account was suspended from CoinPot due to violation of the terms and conditions of our service. This is why your withdrawal was cancelled.
Specifically in your case, we found that you have multiple accounts used for claiming from the faucets. We found a huge number of protonmail.com email accounts all registered on the same day, from the same IP range - including yours. First of all, IP address is a horrible way to verify identity. It's easy to fake, and high risk of false positives. Blocking a single IP address can potentially affect up to millions. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_IP_addresses#Shared_and_dynamic_IP_addressesAnd he admits to blocking an IP range. Second of all, as others have suspected, if you so much as use the same email service that scammers use, that makes you look like a cheater. Imagine if they just took the money of everyone who uses Gmail. In this case, a lot of people who use Protonmail had their account flagged. The day doesn't matter either, because people are probably making a ton of fake accounts every day. If this is their fraud detection, this is majorly flawed. |
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How do you explain, that every day more and more people are ending with suspended accounts and payments won't be processed, That just MIGHT be, because well over 90% of all faucet users either have multiple accounts or use a VPN or try other ways of cheating. It's a known fact that NOBODY screams louder than a screwed cheater. Rest assured for ever single user claiming there would be a scam here, there are 100s if not 1000s who get their money, those just never see a reason to write anything in a forum like this one. There will certainly be a few users where the automated system at Coinpot generates a false positive, who then due to lack of support won't get their money, but that's a tiny minority relative to the vast amount of users who either really cheated or get paid without problems. Coinpot faucets already have a system for detecting if you are using a VPN, and it won't let you claim if it detects it. And strictly speaking, Coinpot says it has the right to take your funds if you violate the Terms of Service, but using a VPN is not against the Terms of Service. Yes I realize that using a VPN is a common way to have multiple accounts, but I'm strictly speaking of whether they have a right to confiscate your funds for using a VPN. And plenty of people are claiming they never used a VPN anyway and still had their account suspended. While yes, the number of people withdrawing at once will lead to an increase to people having transactions cancelled and complaining about it, this is a massive, massive spike. I've withdrawn money plenty of times with no issue, and nothing really changed regarding my behaviors. Does that necessarily mean the owner is intentionally scamming people? Not necessarily. But considering the number of times that Coinpot went down or had other issues, the idea that their fraud detection systems were poorly coded is not that farfetched. I'm sure many people who were scamming the system got away with it too. And right now, it's basically up to Coinpot whether you get your money or they take it all, and you have no knowledge on if they will and no recourse if they do. |
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Got my last payment a few hours ago. I dont think they would exit scam ppl here.
Looks more like that they collect some withdrawal requests and processing them once or twice a week.
Pro tip: I would not wait too long with the request, if I still have credit on coinpot.
Some people are getting their money. I lost everything when they suddenly claimed I was violating TOS at the last minute, and I'm far from the only one. From what I've heard though, they only ban transactions and not accounts. I have heard but cannot verify that it is safer to do multiple small withdrawals than a single large withdrawals, because then some might go through. |
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I've been a user of Coinpot for 3 years now with no issue, but I guess I suddenly violated terms of service now. RIP about $500. By the way, their support inbox is full, but they never respond even on a good day.
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Anyone remember the minimum balance you have to keep to both claim reward points and not have captchas? Search isn't cooperating and there's too many pages. Nor is it listed on Freebitcoin's website itself, as far as I can see.
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