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That is why in most countries you are considered innocent unless proven guilty.
This applies to casino, not you, you are the one who accuses the casino. Burden of proof lies upon you. And it doesn't help your case to start with newb accounts that also doesn't help that accounts who gave star in trustpilot have 1 vote history. It doesn't help your case either when you guys are being an offensive and aggressive. Also you have already lied in this thread several times by telling how you know they scam millions, which is something you couldn't just know. If you keep your calm, talk unprovocative way you might get more positive responses. And if somehow casino has made a mistake in your case then you should go trough official channels in your country. Shouting a SCAM! wouldn't help your case in any way. even though everything can be discussed properly without having to do unnecessary debate if indeed Stake is proven to have committed fraud should provide valid evidence, so far I have withdrawn winning money from bets there have never been any problems even processed quickly, if there is a problem it should be contact service support on the stakes website in a good way without having to shout SCAM everywhere and that doesn't really help the existing problems it only adds to other problems Nothing gonna happen to stake, claiming it a fraud and scam without any evidence connected to the incident. For a platform that pays total of $5 million on weekly bonus, it isn't a big problem to solve the issue. Most of the time, users fail/loss and out of frustration caused out of unexpected loss end up with similar statements. have you even read what this case is about? do you know why https://www.askgamblers.com/ serves? 1x bet pays much more than 5 million through its reward system, but that does not mean that a normal person will deposit money with them.
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Are you using VPN when playing on Stake? It might be the case for your multiple account issue but I'm just concerned on the duration of this issue and why KYC is still needed for releasing your money while they already concluded you are using multiple account and just allow you to withdraw so that your account willbe closed. I saw that AskGambler keeps asking for additional evidence for you case. This is a sign that the operator assumption on your case is not that strong but that doesn't mean that they are scam. You should wait on your Askgambler thread since they are already doing there job on helping you to resolved your case. Don't be afraid if you are telling the truth. Askgambler is fair and will not allow fake evidence to justify freezing of your account. All post here about Stake is not paid, Stake is just doing a good job for many years that makes user positive on them. Stay on your askgambler thread or are afradi that you will lose your case? I don't understand why you want him to "stay on his askgambler thread"(you told him 2 times in your post) but I find his post about his case more interesting and informative than yours. It's surprising for a gambler and Stake user to not be interested in such cases. You really don't care if funds from users can be locked for no real reason? You're really more interested in discussions about post-monthly bonuses for the christmas eve than to know if it is risky to leave your funds there despite what is going on in the crypto industry currently? of course they are not interested when 95% of the accounts on this forum are bots. Paid some small money to do such things
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Should casinos really care though? I mean I get that it does not look like a nice thing to try to blackmail a casino, and that's a bad thing on the side of the user, but at the end of the day, casinos do not have to care about this at all. We are forcing casinos too much to give a proper response, but when there is blackmail going on and users are forcing them to explain themselves, casinos could very well ignore and move on if we didn't force them too. If we ignored the complaint, that would mean the casino could too. We don't, just in case if it's real, but that gives a path to all these people to keep on trying to blackmail as well. Maybe we should try to sort them out as well?
I think Stake pay you for good reviews. But I have strong proofs that is Stake scam casino and site. I provide one more proof, that Stake is scam. In my case Askgamblers say, that Stake havent good proofs for blocked my account. https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-hold-11xrp-depositWhat you asy now about Stake scam. They steal only deposit without play https://ibb.co/B2Y1zddBe careful with Stake. Scam casino! Are you using VPN when playing on Stake? It might be the case for your multiple account issue but I'm just concerned on the duration of this issue and why KYC is still needed for releasing your money while they already concluded you are using multiple account and just allow you to withdraw so that your account willbe closed. I saw that AskGambler keeps asking for additional evidence for you case. This is a sign that the operator assumption on your case is not that strong but that doesn't mean that they are scam. You should wait on your Askgambler thread since they are already doing there job on helping you to resolved your case. Don't be afraid if you are telling the truth. Askgambler is fair and will not allow fake evidence to justify freezing of your account. All post here about Stake is not paid, Stake is just doing a good job for many years that makes user positive on them. Stay on your askgambler thread or are afradi that you will lose your case? stake, through its promoters, told people to turn on vpn in case they couldn't play in a certain country. Even its owner promoted it. So that cannot be a reason to steal someone's deposit
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Should casinos really care though? I mean I get that it does not look like a nice thing to try to blackmail a casino, and that's a bad thing on the side of the user, but at the end of the day, casinos do not have to care about this at all. We are forcing casinos too much to give a proper response, but when there is blackmail going on and users are forcing them to explain themselves, casinos could very well ignore and move on if we didn't force them too. If we ignored the complaint, that would mean the casino could too. We don't, just in case if it's real, but that gives a path to all these people to keep on trying to blackmail as well. Maybe we should try to sort them out as well?
I think Stake pay you for good reviews. But I have strong proofs that is Stake scam casino and site. I provide one more proof, that Stake is scam. In my case Askgamblers say, that Stake havent good proofs for blocked my account. https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-hold-11xrp-depositWhat you asy now about Stake scam. They steal only deposit without play https://ibb.co/B2Y1zddBe careful with Stake. Scam casino! This with askgambler is so good. This is proof of how unprotected the players are. I hope this is just the beginning of exposing all the scams that have been going on for the past 2 years.
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Trust me, 11k XRP isn't huge for Stake, Stunna even said he doesn't care with previous accusation worth with $70,000 as they have paid much bigger than that amount to their gambler who wins on their casino. Stake is one of most reputable & trusted casino ever, no doubt about it. Goodluck anyway with your accusation OP, hopefully this problem can solved ASAP. Stunna should make a reply here and show some proof or at least a real explanation what is going on here.
He doesn't need to give any reply if the case already answered by stake's support. Of course they don't care, they stole a few million from the users. whether it's $20 or $200k, it doesn't matter, the money was stolen. Their explanations are given without any proof. Such explanations are given by 1xbet (I know people who will also say that 1xbet is a good bookmaker)
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I don't believe that 11k XRP is darkened by stakes, as far as I am a stake user I have never faced any problems depositing or withdrawing, Stake is one of the best platforms and many people have thought positively about me, from your case you have broken their rules, like using multiple accounts, well of course your account is blocked, you should talk to them nicely and politely and follow their directions
when someone steals your money, you should not be polite and kind, but you should warn other users and report everywhere the company that stole your money
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Maybe because you sent directly from Binance, some sites make problems when the deposit comes from an exchange.
Strange.
IMO a website that accuses a user of anything should always provide proof or at least an explanation why they accuse him or her of multi accounting. Shared wallet addresses, IPs and other things can be explained and should not be a final decision maker of marking someone as a TOS violator.
Without explanation this can happen to any user at any time , that's why I stay away from all the crypto gambling sites, they make their TOS open to scam the players.
Stake became big scam. Many bad reviews on Trustpilot https://www.trustpilot.com/review/stake.comLink where Stake lie, they write send proofs to askgamblers, askgamblers answer they dont receieved. https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-hold-11xrp-depositAlso one guy make site about stake scam and video like proofs https://stake-com-scam.medium.com/I never hear that any bookie steal deposit. They steal deposit. I report them to Interpol and Serbian Ministry of Justice if they lie like this to askgamblers, what can we expect them to do to normal users where there is no protection . You did well to report this case to the police of Serbia. They make an organized fraud from a country where they shouldn't do it (they represent that company as a supporter that is not related to stake even though all the employees of that company boast that they work for stake)
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other than telling you to show evidence that backs up your claims, I am not sure what more you need to prove your innocence. as I said before even if you provide evidence there is still no guarantee that they'll reverse they're decision.
Since you seem to know these things, I was just asking for advice. Because, as you say, I am not sure what I need to prove my innocence. In lots of cases, innocence cannot be proven... That's why it's on the accuser to prove guilt instead! How can I prove that I only have one account? I already sent Stake all the "evidence" I could think of. I sent them my ID, income statement, proof of address, screenshots, selfies, transactions reports. I don't know what other evidence I can provide. And I am getting quite desperate. If they just ask me for something I could cooperate. Instead I have no clear information and I am left guessing and sending email which only go unanswered. They just said "you're guilty, we'll take your money". It's unbelievable. unfortunately, you are also one of those who suffer torture from this bookmaker, which started after 2 years, and reached its peak with the fall of crypto. Unfortunately, they are looking for a document that you don't have, so that they can later justify themselves in case of a lawsuit. Even if you verify all the levels, you won't get your money
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I think OP provably a new user. He should have known about the platform before creating his account. Also, when the account is created, different conditions are shown. OP should follow the rules but he didn't care about any of that. He has created multi account which is considered the violation of rules as principle of stake. As far i know there is no way to get his money but OP can talk with them. A gambler should never create multiple accounts or conduct gambling activities without knowing the rules.
yes, let alone looking for profit from affiliate bonuses by creating multiple accounts registering from the OP account affiliate link, it is clear that it is strictly prohibited to also take other benefits and violate casino rules, I think not only Stake but other casinos also have the same rules, even more stringent than Stake I'm glad to see that stake.com has created an army of bots as well
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I do NOT understand this case. the deposit was stolen without the game?
verification - a classic story, the way they steal money in the last two years is identical. Even if you verify all levels, you will not be paid
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There is legitimately no doubt in our minds that this user's winnings were illegally obtained. We do not give a damn about 70k, we even just sent $1M to the ukraine aid donation address. - You provided this for marketing purposes and not to help anyone. You owe this user 70k, and there are many more, according to current data, that number exceeds a couple of million - probably even more, because there are many cases where people, as in this case, were allowed to gamble, but they could not pay out their funds ( interesting, does anyone have an idea why this is done  ? we all know the answer ) . The situation here is clear - 1.There is no such thing as a fixed match in table tennis, and no one will investigate such players and no one will take them to prison (if the steak claims otherwise, let them prove who and where they are investigating these players) - except for that famous sentence our team is investigating and will let you know the results. The amount of money paid for a match is their proof that the match is fixed (?), but only if the match is won. I will give an example If you play a fixed match and win say 70k and another player loses 4k on the same match. Your account will be suspended and under investigation, the other player will not be refunded and his account will not be under investigation, he may possibly get less limits to play. Another question ? why is it given to someone to have such high limits for table tennis and for e-gaming and way ( We know the answer to this too, but let one of the representatives of the stake answer us) ? 2. KYC - and here the situation is more than familiar, you have a support who always gives you the same answer when you ask them what is wrong with your documents and you have accounts@stake.com. There are many cases where players have verified all 4 levels (it took several months) - and at the end they were told that they will not get their money back. As far as I understand here, the documents were rejected because they are not in English - and they probably told you at the support that they can't help anything there (you should have gone to a notary to get a stamp and help with that) , then you sent someone else's documents ( since they told you that the documents must be in English) and they couldn't wait for you to do it, now they found a reason to take your funds. Nothing here is your fault (ok, it's clear that you started playing for someone, but it's not a violation or a crime, you're allowed to play tipsters or games that someone suggests). In some countries, processes are already being conducted so that acc may not be limited in the case of winning tickets. Here we currently have a situation where the stake will not pay the winning players ( a large number of accusations in the last 2 years ) and takes everything from the losing ones. So there is no way for someone win money. I remember the time in 2018 when this bookmaker could become an example of how to do business and treat players - but apparently the large amount of money made both the owners and other people within the company lose track of the direction they were headed @Baskin198 - contact me, since I can't send you a message
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it is very sad that in this industry there is no way for a player to take money, even if he has all the luck in the world. In that case, he will be accused of some fraud or non-compliance with the conditions. I honestly didn't even want to take this bookmaker into consideration. name btc365 has a clear manipulation to lead people to bet365. We will probably see new charges soon. Thank you for warning us of this scam. All charges should also be written on this page, so that anyone who reads about them can immediately see how they treat their users.
This is the email I got:
Dear Our Valued Customer.
Good day! This is Caroline BTC365 Customer Care,
Regarding this matter, we are very sorry to hear this sir, but for withdrawal since your account has been closed permanently due to abnormal activites detected by our game provider itself, it is not possible to withdraw the rest balance in your account. We do try to appeal but it is final and we hope you can find some reassurement in others.
As for our website itself, we assure you that it is not like what you accuse us since BTC365 Certified and regulated by credible gambling bodies to ensure that all members join and play with BTC365 in accordance with regulatory standards in internet gambling, a stable and secure platform for playing satisfaction of our current and future members.
The excuse and the reason why the complainant was ban is not acceptable because the complainant is still contesting that he had done nothing wrong, support should give more details why the said account was ban, instead of giving a generic answer, I have read so many similar excuses from 1XBIT and this is not good for BTC365.com, I will not support the flag now, unless both parties posted more details. i just add to post scam topic all the things i have with them
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stake.com is definitely the best in the competition of these three sites.
Sportsbet.io used to be the best site to play, but a lot of unpaid and confiscated money. They turned their main page on bitcointalk into a page where steve and bots correspond. Their customer service has become a disaster.
Cloudbet- still has a lot of work to do to regain its reputation. Withdrawals and verification can sometimes wait for a month
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Are we all forgetting that even the biggest sportsbooks in the world ban people daily and not pay out people's winnings? Yes this happens, just Google it and you will see or go on YouTube and there are many stories of people getting banned from the big sportsbooks for using tactics to gain an advantage over the sportsbooks.
I agree with you. But it should not become a normal thing for us that bookmakers steal our money, and for us to answer that it is okay. We have to fight this way. At some point, some serious bookmaker will appear. I did not use this bookmaker, I had bad experiences with a lot of new bookmakers. I came here and read the experiences. The explanation they gave is totally frivolous
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I created this account 4 months ago like this screenshot I need 45% to go platinum right now I haven't decided whether to continue pursuing platinum or just play it when I like it. Come on stake give us something different from other sites -snip image-That's a huge achievement, people may not understand how difficult that is, well not difficult but how expensive it is, so I wanted to stop and say that gambling that much in 4 months takes a lot of courage or at least millions of dollars at your side so that if you lose this you do not get upset about it. Stake will probably do something about this issue, we have been talking about it for pages now and that is why I think they are going to end up doing something about it, I do not know what it will be but they will do something about it for sure. I really hope that people will end up with something beneficial from this, after all it is their right to get more, or at least ask for more, and if stake provides something that would be great for you guys, if they do not, I am sure all these people that gamble a lot can find another place that could provide more. There is no issues at all for the VIP program, I would say he/she is just too greedy for more rewards while Stake provides more rewards for the VIP program that cant be found on other sites. He is half way to the Platinum 1 level, while the the requirement to get the Platinum 1 is 250,000 so mathematically he did not wager millions of dollar so far. I'm sure what is offered by Stake as rewards for their players is more than enough. At least they gives something back to players more than what is offered by most other sites. Definitely one of the best rewards programs in industry. It could only be a little better for sports betting compared to a casino.
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Hello,
I am Tomas from AceDBets Support Team. One of your members came to our live chat recently and mentioned about a complain in this forum. Therefore, I am here to make few things clear for members and possible future users.
The active user here recently has been detected as a cheater by the technical team and has been banned accordingly. I'll try to explain the reason in a way that everyone can understand easily. It is not about finding some glich or fixed matches but a simpler method.
Firstly, let me explain one thing. In AceDBets there is a restriction which is about maximum amount of money played (like max. 20 mbtc for one bet). We have observed that 3 users are playing same bets at the same exact minute for same results and each of them played with maximum amount. Therefore, maximum amount of stake becomes meaningless and violated. To make it more clear, I am not talking about popular games like NBA games or like Arsenal - Real Madrid. All these games were from lower and unknown leagues. Of course there is a possibility that same bets can be played for even those lower league games. However, if three users play for same bet at the same time and with the maximum amount, what is the explanation here? We continued observing to be sure. When this situation I menitoned above happened 8 times, we took action and froze this user's withdraw. Guess what? When we froze this user's withdraw, other users started to send a withdraw request all of a sudden. Wow, what a coincidence?!
So lets make a summary: 3 different users 8 times played identical bets with maximum amount and at the same exact time (only a few second differrence) Rules violated, they got banned.
About not responding: these users didn't respect us and played unfairly. Therefore we don't respect them. It is that simple. We don't allow cheaters in AceDBets, zero tolerance. They can try their chances on other platforms as they wish. I personally ( not on the behalf of AceDBets ) recommend them to play fairly, since they will be faced with same result most likely.
AceDbets is a project that makes long-term investments in the crypto world. We are faced with cheating attempts like this and similar, and we have to take actions to survive. Even in this situation, ALL OF THEM ALREADY GOT THEIR WITHDRAWALS MUCH MORE THAN THEIR TOTAL DEPOSITS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL DAMAGE.
Good luck to all bettors and have an healthy life!
The main problem is that today everyone thinks they can open a bookmaker and make money that way. If you don't know how to run a bookmaker, just open a casino and make money that way. I do not go into whether this user is guilty or not (what you stated as an explanation is not enough. The same would happen if 10 people follow the same tipster. so 10 accounts would play the same game, and it is your right to set a limit on that game). I am convinced that the match went in your favor, you certainly would not return funds to your users. This kind of explanation is extremely unprofessional for someone who wants to make a serious bookmaker.
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I'm still waiting for support and being ignored.
You still think 1xbit scammers are going to respond and probably resolve your issue? My friend you are very wrong. They are one of the most shameless scammers still operating. I suggest you just count your losses and start planning to move on. I agree with you . but he should not give up, we should extinguish these deceivers all together. And the only way is by writing about them.
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I don't know why anyone plays on these sites. 1xbit 1xbet melbet parimatch 22bet ....
all the same shit. only losing players can play. whoever got some big money there, they didn’t pay it off. And before that, they asked for all possible documents. so they steal your documents and money, when you prove everything to them, they stop answering emails.
100% fraudsters
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Hey everybody, need your help! A month ago my account on Sportsbet.io was disabled (account login neymarjr12). After that the support requested me to go through KYC (passport, utility bil, bank statement) - I have provided everything. On 25 June the support asked me about the link with some accounts (dorismand, juhannoode, 300hunna and Palmik), which I have never seen in my life, and claimed that I was "multi accounting". I replied that this is my first and only account, and that I didn't brake any rules and requested Sportsbet.io to provide evidence of their false statement. Until now, they didn't provide any evidence (as there is none, they just illegally withhold my funds) and only replied that I can take back the initial deposit, which is way less than my winnings. I am ready to go through any KYC procedure, I have all the screenshots of all my bets and balance, I claim one more time that the whole story is a mistake and this is my first and only account. Sportsbet.io, waiting for your reply here. Best regards, Artem https://ibb.co/YZ4RKDshttps://ibb.co/CwjRTMwhttps://ibb.co/j5RJXRvhttps://ibb.co/G0p1DHBhttps://ibb.co/Fn03mTgHi, sorry, yeah I saw your user name in the end. I believe our appropriate department have been in contact with you and they are waiting for a bitcoin address to send some money to you. Im not sure of all the details, so please check your emails and if you can not see the most recent email, please email our team and they will resend it for you. Thanks and all the best, Steve. Sportsbet.io Hi Steve, Thanks for reply. That's the question, "some money" is an amount of my initial deposits of 102mBtc, whereas my balance is 373mBtc. I didn’t break any rules, I am ready to go through any verification procedure, so why then only “some” money? Best regards, Artem Hi Steve @sportsbet.io, Still haven't received your answer, my account is still frozen. Hi Artem, As far as im aware, you and our relevant department have been in regular communication via email. There isn't much more I can do at this stage im sorry. Thanks, Steve. Sportsbet.io The relevant department doesn't provide any evidence of their false accusations. Asking them to do so is the least you can easily do. Or you/they actually don't have any evidence and simply withhold my funds for no reason? I repeat one more time that I am ready to go through any verification process to prove that your accusations are wrong. Steve, why you don't reply to this simple question? I repeat: The relevant department doesn't provide any evidence of their false accusations. Asking them to do so is the least you can easily do. Or you/they actually don't have any evidence and simply withhold my funds for no reason? I repeat one more time that I am ready to go through any verification process to prove that your accusations are wrong. Hi, I have already reposnded on to you here on the forum and via PM, its between the relevant department and youself. This has not changed. There must be more information that is shared between you and them that isn't being listed here.. Please contact them again to get your appropriate answers. regards, Steve. Sportsbet.io Very disappointing behavior from sportsbet.io. They had the potential to be one of the best bookmakers, but as far as I can see they will only be left with these bots of theirs to praise them. The main problem is the incredible incompetence of their security department, these people do not have a single solved case. and again the main problem - if you lost money no one would tell you anything, but when you win they return your deposit (currently they have a lot of such cases and have not solved any, you will find such posts on forums where they do not pay so many bots). I understand their helplessness if people open so many double accounts, but cases are not resolved this way. I personally had many nice experiences with them, but the policy they are pursuing now does not look good, I hope that they will understand it quickly, otherwise soon all people will have double accounts, except those who are in a big deficit.
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❗️ $10,000 race starts in 27 minutes on Stake❗️ Length: 24 hours Start: 2:00pm GMT End: 2:00pm GMT Prize pool: 1.42 BTC ($10,000) Winners: 100 4 Bonus Mini Races!This $10,000 race is going to include 4 bonus $250 mini races! Each race will last for 15 minutes and start spontaneously. Keep a look out for them to maximise your profits! Maybe you'll find a clue for one of the start times in the Stake chat today. 99 problems but a 4BTC bet at 4.00 odds ain't one 😎  i would really like you to explain how someone can put 4btc at such a odds. Because whoever I asked and who I communicated with about your bookmaker, everyone was complaining about small limits. this doesn't seem to me to be real (unless eddie played this: D), or maybe the player lost millions, so you let him play like this (I know now you tell thet you do not decide about limits, it's a providers decision ...). I play a lot with you and the only places where I managed to bet 1btc or a little more are the strongest leagues in football (even my status seems to be increasing, my limits are lower and lower). i would love to hear from other forum members if anyone really has this limit? my max limit on table tennis is 0.3 btc but it is mostly 0.0 ....btc (or bether this way , maximum win never goes 0.3btc ). Thanks
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