This will be my last reply on this issue as arguing with you is pretty pointless, but while I was managing their campaign there were scam accusations but how many were true? 90% of the accusations made against companies here are just pissed off users such as you trying to pressure a company into paying. Basically extortion attempts.

Like I said, I stopped promoting them well before any serious allegations came and someone else took over, what happened while they were promoting has nothing to do with me. Your issue isn't with me, so let's keep it that way.

I did promote them a few years back and at the time they were running like everything was going fine. Noone can tell when a company will or won't scam though. Anyone who is managing a company that turns scam is immediately expected to stop promotion of the company, not like managers tell companies to scam everyone long as they pay us.

I had long left promoting the company before they started doing their shady shit to users.

This is my first time to encounter this in a gambling platform where you need to wager 5x from the deposit amount before you can withdraw.
At first, I tried trustdice betting on NBA games but I want to withdraw it and I can't now. I know this is on the terms before signing up but I didn't see it.

Is there any way to make my wager 5x faster without risking too much? Right now I am playing dice with a small amount of bet via auto.

Newbie or Jr Member accounts are always to be taken with a pinch of salt we can reckon. You can see out there users who are newbie but obviously have a good degree of understanding of the forum and make comments that are relevant and reveal knowledge. These are usually secondary accounts, but other are simply open for accusation as you say and will not carry much credibility.

I don't see the community getting behind these guys again. They were given a second chance on this site and tossed it in the garbage basically spitting in every users face who thought they might be worth giving a chance to. How can anyone actually believe that the new site will be different?

thank you guys for the support

i can 100% confirm i did not abuse or cheat rollbit in any way. all i did was sports bet. my account is fully KYC and i submitted all my docs before depositing. big scam here is that they accuse me of multi accounting after i deposit multiple times, place many bets, manage to win and finally when i want to withdraw. now they refuse to answer me and keep my money illegally for months while i have to helplessly beg them to allow me to access my own money.

i am now reaching out to everyone i know in all my groups and all my friends to see if they have any issues like this

KYC hell can always be used as excuse for holding coins won my players, especially if the amount of money is bigger.
I dont think this is special just for crypto world because I heard cases of people having similar problems with using fiat currencies.
I understand some type of protection is needed for everyone, but there must be better way than current KYC system.
First time I hear about Hypedrop but I never liked this type of websites.

Not that it changes anything but... I think some people around here aren`t being 100% honest - guys, with all the shit that Betnomi (aka Sorsis) have/has been pulling, how can you state it was totally "normal" to keep supporting them? Sorry, the red flags have been right there, for a long time. I am not saying that any bitcointalk user is responsible for Betnomi`s shit but let`s just not pretend... Fact is, as long as there was money to be squeezed, people were definitely ready to look past the issues. And this is a general phenomenon on bitcointalk, actually.


That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since - and it doesn`t include personal (horrible) experience with Sorsis either.

Edit: It should also be explicitly mentioned that I don't want to present myself as an angel or something... Why have I not participated in any Betnomi related games/tournaments/contests/challenges for a very long time, even if I was invited by other users? The answer is above...

Hello,

While I'm in no way associated with Rollbit (I work for a different casino, so basically a competitor), I'd like to give my 2 cents since this case seems very familiar to a lot of ones we're dealing/dealt with aswell.

Casinos nowadays have very strong multi-account detection systems, won't get into what they actually are for obvious reasons, but lets say when a casino is certain that you're using multiple accounts, they're pretty damn accurate .

While I feel that OP's situation could've brought a satisfying resolution on his end, if he came clean and listed his accounts, it's also probably the case where in general players use multiple accounts to abuse the system, like double-spending, arbitrage betting ( gets limited on one account, jumps on another), bonus abuse, etc etc.

Now onto the Curacao regulator, while the general feedback of players like OP is to say "these Curacao regulators do nothing", the fact is that a case brought upon the license provider always gets dealt with, and a casino is free to offer all evidence against the player, thus why most players don't actually go forward with this.

There aren't too many cases in Curacao that had to be handled/solved in favour of the player by the licensor for the simple fact that 99% of the times when an user is not engaging in any dubious activities, casinos solve these situations with favorable outcomes for the players themselves and there's no need to push things further.

Hey,

Just my 2 cents; the regulation in Curacao = security in a Cartel Hood = possibility of getting 30 when you roll two dices = possibility of hitting number 69 in Roulette.

Nothing to defend on the Casino's side, casinos doesn't even care about all the complaints now; nothing gets approved on CG or AG, they always want the player to go to the licensing authorities. Those authorities are owned by the gambling companies. No real or at least 90 IQ'd lawyer will take a case in Curacao because he/she knows no laws abide for Casino's, they only abide for players' mistakes. I see signature campaigns of offshore illegal casinos having a really bad impact on BitcoinTalk; this wasn't the case years back when I was browsing here. You already know that OP is not winning a case in Curacao over Rollbit or Stake right? I have given you the odds of it = ZERO.

With respect,

Tetaeridanus

Botswana? That country sandwiched between other countries in Africa? You asked a lawyer in Botswana if Curacao, an island in Carribean, is part of their country?


Used to, many years ago, and for fun as well as within minuscule amount, so it'll be better to say I am not. Why?

I did and decided to move on as I had some disagreements with the owner and their timetable for paying staff. Same goes for me though, I had an agreement with Betnomi at the time that all promotion would cease if a legitimate scam popped up against them. While I was working with the site, no scam accusation was ignored to my knowledge.

I don't want you to be a bootlicker or whatever. I would rather a user post their opinion, positive or negative, so i'm not necessarily getting on your case but I feel your blame is misguided partially.

I'm not aware of the details of all the deals people working with Betnomi had, but I know they weren't out to try and help users get scammed. An argument could have been made that they maybe should have stopped a few weeks sooner I suppose, but I think it's fair to say that they were not 100% an exit scam was about to happen. They had faith that the owner would make it right as that was his pattern for a couple years. Late or delayed, but always came through.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

There is a regulation in Curacao. If your lawyer won't take case there, may I suggest that it's probably because you don't have a strong case that he's willing to take or sure to win? And I noticed you said a Dutch lawyer? Not any? Means you haven't exhaust all of your options of lawyers who will take your case?

You're just a bundle of negativity in everything you comment in aren't you. When someone is promoting a site, they cannot and will not be held responsible if the site scams as long as when a big scam is proven they stop promoting. It's impossible to know if/when a site can or will scam.

Now by big scam I mean more than a few accusations in the scam section because we all know that 90% of the accusations in there are total bs. Big scam like what's going on now, the exit scam.

Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

Dear user, we kindly regret that you faced issues using Dexsport. The protocol was established with one aim - to make betting more transparent for people and increase entertainment options for web3 audience. Hence the protocol is decentralized thanks to blockchain technology, it is also have T&C which you accepted by signing the unique signature when connecting your wallet. Unfortunately, our fraud prevention system detected violation of there T&C from your side that's why your bets were automatically refunded, i.e. you received your funds back in a whole amount.

To be honest and laid it out in the open, that's what I tried to pursue when I said "considering another means of resolution," to allow you to retain your deposit with some terms. However, they are firm on their decision and they're very sure with their findings. Best options you have right now is either escalate it to their licensor or to just drop the case, as currently there is not any other visible resolution possible.

As for licensing, you can rest assured that they're licensed. Like acroman08 said, you can check this by clicking the seal of validation on their website. It's a mandatory element of a licensed casino under Curacao Licensing to provide this means of verification on their website. Image as below. If you click them, you'll be redirected to GC's page as shown on the image next to it, verifying Rollbit as their sub-licensor.



While for holding your winnings and deposit, though there are times in the past that platforms go lenient by allowing the other side to withdraw their balance and agreed to part ways, I think Rollbit has the right to seize your winnings and deposit upon breach, it's one of the clause on their Terms of Service that you agreed,


If you're not satisfied with this, please follow my advise to raise it to their licensor, Gaming-Curacao. We are not sure what'll happen there, but you'll have another shot there rather than here as your means of resolution on this case kinda met its... dead end here.


Looks aesthetic or not, that platform is one of the only four master license holder for gambling ever issued by Curacao Gambling Authority. And though Antillephone is basically the most... exquisite --or so I heard-- there will be no more master license issued again, so they're as legal as it can get.