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Write to me in private messages or telegram bro, I may have information for you. Telegramm @MathBetsOnly
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Stake still sends me to write them an email that they never answer. Can a representative of the stake site comment on their withdrawal rules indicated on the site, namely:
8. Withdrawals
Crypto withdrawals will be made to your stated cryptocurrency wallet address when making a valid withdrawal request.
If we mistakenly credit your Stake Account with winnings that do not belong to you, whether due to a technical error in the pay-tables, or human error or otherwise, the amount will remain our property and will be deducted from your Stake Account. If you have withdrawn funds that do not belong to you prior to us becoming aware of the error, the mistakenly paid amount will (without prejudice to other remedies and actions that may be available at law) constitute a debt owed by you to us. In the event of an incorrect crediting, you are obliged to notify us immediately by email.
Stake reserves the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawal. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.
All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority.
You acknowledge that the funds in your account are consumed instantly when playing and we do not provide return of goods, refunds or retrospective cancellation of your account.
Note that some payment methods may include an additional fee. In this case, the fee will be clearly visible for you in the cashier.
Please indicate the legal basis for withholding funds.
I also ask Stake to provide a written refusal to pay funds to my mail, indicating the legal basis.
I can't wait for an answer for over 3 months now.
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Okay, it's been over 2 months since the last post in this post. Scam Site Stake did not return anything, what happened in these 2 months: In 1, I received the only response from the regulatory body from Curacao with the following content: Dear Sir, Following your below e-mail, Stake hereby presents its formal response. We have performed an assessment on the account “Palamar12345”, and we have verified that the user is depositing from different crypto addresses and is only withdrawing to one (1) specific address that is not the one he deposits from. It happens that the crypto address the player is using to withdraw is the same address used by other 11 accounts that do exactly the same, deposit from different addresses and withdraw everything to the same address. Best regards, Antillephone N.V. License & Complaints 8048/JAZ To which I replied the following: Hello, thank you for noticing my problem, I want to report the following: When depositing and withdrawing funds, I used the services of a private exchanger, since I do not have my own crypto wallet address. There are no instructions in the Stake.com rules from which address funds should be deposited into your gaming account. Whether other players used the services of this exchanger is not known to me, and it should not be known, this is their business and this has nothing to do with my account and my problem. I also bring to your attention that this site took deposits from me for 100 thousand dollars in equal parts over several days, and also calmly withdrew them (there were about 80 thousand withdrawals) Why didn't they warn me earlier that I was making deposits from an address that was not allowed to make deposits? As soon as my account went positive, the withdrawal was immediately blocked and they stopped letting me play games on the site. They begin to accuse me of having a multi-account, and not fair in their opinion the game. According to their rep at bitcointalk.org, I used to bet early matches at Roland Garros games. I see no reason why I should not be allowed to do this on a gambling site that accepts sports betting. I also do not understand the legality of holding my funds. The withdrawal clause of their rules reads as follows: Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support. All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority. According to this clause, they do not have the right to refuse to withdraw my funds to me (even taking into account the fact that I did not return my deposit). No court found my actions unlawful and did not issue an act of withholding funds. If they say that the reason for withholding my funds is that deposits and withdrawals came from the same address, this is not a legitimate reason for not paying the client his money. Why did they ask for my documents and confirm the 2nd level of my verification, thereby giving the green light to play in their casino? I described my problem in detail in a post on the forum link to it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984I hope that you will take into account all the factors of this case and will be neutral. Sincerely. These two letters were received and sent on June 8th. Since then, I haven't received any more replies. All this time I wrote to them in support in the chat on their website and I always received and still receive the same answer: write to us by mail, we will answer you soon. But there is no more answer by mail, a complete ignore. Also, I can't get their official denial in the mail, they just don't want to write it. They simply chose the tactic of ignoring. Let's see what this site did in the end: The question is not whether I was engaged in multi-accounting. (for which, according to Stunna, they do not ban players, much less take money). Or I made deposits from those wallets from which deposits were already made to other accounts (there are no instructions in the Stake rules from which wallets the player is required to make deposits, I can use any) And it’s not even about my banned amount in money. I just want answers to specific questions, namely: 1. Their response to the Licensing Company (which also does not want to understand anything) states that I replenished 11 accounts from 1 wallet. Why didn't you reveal this fact, for example, on 2 or 3 accounts and banned them earlier? 2. Why, when my account was making deposits and was in the red for 80 thousand dollars, you allowed to make deposits? After all, I replenished from the same wallet. 3. Why did you arrange a document check for me if you still didn’t want to pay? 4. Please familiarize yourself with the rule of yours, in which exactly 2 cases do you have the right to withhold the client's money? They are posted on your website. 5. You don't pay money to all the people who want to value bet on your site? For previous commenters: Value betting is not betting ahead of time. These are regular bets that are placed on the top events with a mathematical advantage in front of the bookmaker. Bets are placed before the match, and not in live mode. The bookmaker gives a line - you bet. No cheating. And the line at this site leaves much to be desired. P.S. for people who want to beat these scammers, US Open starts on the 29th, write in private. |
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Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable May someone explain to me how to do that on Stake? Because every time I want to place a live bet or cashing out during a match, I need to wait a loooong delay for being accepted. And if odds change during that delay my live bet or cash out with the initial odds is rejected. It's only accepted if I accept new odds. I thought it was a security from Stake to prevent this kind of exploit, I was mistaken actually?  I also thought french open was broadcast by several TV channels around the world. What is the delay of a TV broadcast? 0.1s, 0.5s, 1s? What would be the delay of a faster feed? Are there real humans able to exploit such gap to place or cash out bets? With 15 accounts at the same time? This is not an ukrainian girl, this is wonder woman I think you misunderstood my points. At Rolland Garros, they were all on the line and not in live. And they were only 15-20% of all my bets. Stunna talks about how I bet on matches where the stake was wrong in the odds, telling everyone that they have a very weak line |
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When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters. Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets". If we did not take such strong action you would be continuing to buy accounts with high limits to try and keep betting against us.  Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian 3:32 PM 5/22/2022 ru Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$? Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?
1:04 AM 5/22/2022 ru oт 10к$ Translation: from 10k$ 1:02 AM 5/22/2022 ru Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть? Translation: Who bets big? 12:59 AM 5/22/2022 sports_en WHo need valuebets&
Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.
Yup, they are accountable to no one. This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time) This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here. Stunna there is not a single answer to my questions and questions of other users. Here there are only my correspondence in chats when I asked people what are the maximum receptions people have for a certain sport. Is it forbidden on your site to bet on Tennis anytime I want? If so, then write it down in your rules. I am a client - you are a bookmaker. You give the line I bet. Kick me out of the game, but give me my money. Why didn't you mention my slot game? I played them too. And at the expense of a large number of accounts, so many people know about your bookmaker and what line you give, there are a lot of mailings in the public domain for these bets. And why do you associate everyone with me? They are not banned by any authorities. The bookmaker's office is built on the competition of the player and the office itself, so why do you forbid such players to play? Spanish players sued bet365 for such cases and won the case. And about accepting deposits for $ 100k from me, you did not answer. ps. And where in mine did I try to buy messages in accounts? |
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Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here. Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse. This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts. Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?
 This is a video in which I described my whole situation with you. For those who say that I "pretend". It is in my native language as I don't speak English well. Here is the translation of my words: Hello “Everyone” My name is Nadia i am thirty five year old woman, I am from “Kharkov”, Ukraine. I am making this video because I am scammed fourty thousand American dollars by stake. Drake is there partner, so I thought money will be safe . Now my account is suspended, they are not reply no more and I can’t withdraw my forty thousand dollars. please help me, I have provided everything they asked for and still they have my money for ten days. Forty thousand is a lot of money for me, it’s more than my family’s life saving. they are saying I break a term and condition and created more than one account, but I do not break anything. I only have one account and they have suspended it now. I also have questions for Stunna that I think everyone here would be interested in, namely: 1. Stunna, what's the difference when a person registered on the forum, and what status is he, just to help him, and not respond mockingly? 2. Why did you ignore my questions to you, as well as other members of this forum who are also interested in these questions? 3. One of your points about withdrawing funds on your website reads as follows: "Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support. All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. St ake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority."
Which government agency has requested a seizure of my funds? Am I breaking money laundering laws? obviously not.. Then on what legal grounds are you holding them? You can kick me out, but you can't withhold funds. |
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He doesn't even understand the difference between multi-account and "account abuse". These concepts are the same
They won't freeze your funds simply for having multiple accounts. If you use multiple accounts to to wager more than the limit they put on you, they might. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse.
See? Don't listen to this fanatic who has never deposited more than $100. It's his job to protect these free spins scammers while Stunna is resting. If you want people to believe you, you shouldn't make things up about other people. Even if you're angry. Why are you allowed to come up with the fact that I'm "pretending"? Could it be your favorite site pretending to accept $100k deposits from me? |
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@twitchseal be on topic. your comments are just off topic, following this case for 2-3 days and i still don't see how it can be possible to have the account banned just because of multiple accounts, i use stake for 5 years, and i have 4 accounts all minimum bronze... i am arround 120k$ on minus on all of them but, if i was to be on profit would I be banned?
myself i got a situation with stake a week ago where I was banned for having my account compromised but I was still using same device, same 2fa, no password change. after 2-3 chats i've been told i've been banned because i played illegal games on sports, and i never placed ever any bet on stake, because the odds are too small in comparation with the competition, the 5th email i have received is that I need to provide proof that I didn't change the 2fa.. finally an old support came out and they helped me out, but like a week account randomly blocked (not even balance in it). lately i play only scarabs...
Do not even doubt that they will treat you the same as they did me, as long as you accept deposits you will be a good client and will not receive any restrictions. If you go in plus everything will change. Don't listen to this fanatic who has never deposited more than $100. It's his job to protect these free spins scammers while Stunna is resting. He doesn't even understand the difference between multi-account and "account abuse". These concepts are the same |
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What I still fail to understand is, how can someone make any kind of profit by creating multiple accounts?
Were they farming referral bonus? But given how there's almost a 10%~15% house edge on sports betting, it's impossible to farm a referral bonus. Maths won't add up.
Different players have different limits on how much they can wager. If they think you've found an edge somewhere, they lower your limits for those types of matches. If they think you're a whale, you get higher limits. One way to get around the lower limits is just make a bunch of new accounts. if you get caught you can always try to gain sympathy by posting on bitcointalk to try and extort Stake while pretending to be a girl from a country that just got invaded by Russia. Getting your money is called extortion? Can you somehow prove that I am "pretending to be a girl from Ukraine" or should we believe your authoritative words? I can't open my stats because my account is in "Withdrawal Mode". Can you ask your steak girlfriends to open it once you need it? |
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Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here. Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse. This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts. Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?
Hello Stunna. I am very glad that you paid attention to my problem, it is immediately clear that you value your Players very much. You accuse me of 15+ accounts, but at the same time you say that you do not ban players for multi-accounts. Have I abused sports betting for profit? Doesn't a player have the right to bet on sports on a gambling site? If this accusation is indeed true then why didn't you take action when there were 10+ or 14+ accounts? Does your security system work only after 15 accounts? Or were your losses tolerable? And why did you ask for my ID if you had already decided everything for yourself a long time ago? Are you mentioning my family and their id? Only my sister registered on your site using my referral link, is this prohibited? In my opinion, she even lost about 7 thousand dollars. As a partner, I didn’t see the statistics and the payout for it either. We will not give back your money for the fact that you bet on sports, and periodically won, and your account became a plus, but while you were losing, everything was very good and we were happy to accept deposits.In addition, you have 15+ accounts that also had a large profit on sports betting, but we could not find them before, and decided not to pay just now?We have undeniable evidence, but we will not provide it? and how are determining my ancestory to find such "extended family" of mine? Have you been to my city to find my distant relatives? How is this all determined? Can you provide my exact stats on sports and casino instead of just presenting it in this manner(via only words)? |
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This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago. mainly due to winnings in the slot machine What were your biggest wins, and on which games? [/quote] Basically, slots from Push Gaming (Jaminn jars, Razor Shark, Big Bamboo) managed to win a couple of times 15-17k for a bonus, but before that I lost a lot in Play n go. Does it really matter what slots I played? |
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Another 2 days have passed, but the situation has not changed, Stake.com also ignores all my messages, does not withdraw money and does not answer my letters
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"withdrawal stage"? does that mean you can only withdraw from your account? if that is the case why won't they allow you to withdraw the 40K? did they say that the fund is confiscated? or they are the ones who will manually send you the funds? you should try contacting their forum representative here Stunna and Symphonized or try posting on their thread for more exposure. Yes, when I log into my account, I get the following message: Sorry, your account is on the withdrawal only protocol. Please do not refuse the help of the support service for protection. When I contact the chat, they send me to their mail, on which they do not answer me. Their last message from the mail, after I sent them my photos, was as follows: hello, You have been banned on all of your accounts as you have been found guilty of breaching our terms of service (creating multiple accounts) as stated under item number 11. Prohibited Uses - Personal Use. Please see https://stake.com/policies/terms for further reference. Regards, Stake I don't understand what to do |
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I would suggest archiving( www.archive.is) your bets and posting a screenshot of their E-mail response as well. Does your ISP provide you with a dynamic IP? it's possible some other user shared your IP address and now they are using it as an excuse to hold your pay. Gather your evidence, and post it at r/sportsbook as well. r/sportsbook is a community of hardcore sports bettors, many are whales just like you. I will help your reddit post get some visibility there. If they stick with their decision after a week, contact their gambling license provider in Curaçao. Can you login right now? or not? I can be on my account, but I did not log out of it, because I am afraid that later I will not be able to log into it again. Thank you very much, I made all the archives of my bets and also requested the statistics of my account, if they don’t answer me in the near future, I will do as you advised. No one uses my IP address except me, the account belongs only to me and only I made the bet. |
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Hello everyone, I'm sorry if I write with errors, I do the translation through a translator because English is not my native language. I registered on this site about 2 weeks ago to bet on Rolland Garros, baseball and basketball. Passed 2 levels of verification on the site. Since May 21, she has made deposits of more than $100,000. Here are some of my additions: 1. https://etherscan.io/tx/0xc63728abc2e4e67654a181cc620fe1f9506b25b8365e928b04a461011c8ec7b52. https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1314e03025d3b9046b4623b276baf5dd2f8b42fc0a857a77a329e3bd556925243. https://etherscan.io/tx/0x944ebe77e3a5310edfdbcd7017ffdfda6cb581f03fe7c6f93bba98d937eeab9cI made withdrawals for about a total of about 80 thousand dollars, mainly due to winnings in the slot machine. I was also assigned the status of VIP platinum 3. After that, they made me the maximum bet on sports top events is very small and I wanted to withdraw my remaining 40 thousand dollars, but I was not allowed to do this. I contacted the chat and they told me that I need to write to them by mail, so I did. I waited for an answer by mail for exactly 5 days and they told me that I needed to send a selfie with a sheet of today's date and with a passport in my hand. I sent them everything they need. After waiting 3 more days, I received the following response: Hello, You have been banned on all of your accounts as you have been found guilty of breaching our terms of service (creating multiple accounts) as stated under item number 11. Prohibited Uses - Personal Use. Please see https://stake.com/policies/terms for further reference. Regards, Stake I have no idea what multi-accounts they are talking about, and why was it necessary to ask me for my selfie if they are not going to pay anyway? My account is currently in the "withdrawal stage". But any conclusions are prohibited. I wrote to them in the chat, they also answered me that I need to write to them by mail. But the mail has been ignoring me for the 4th day. Please tell me who has come across this site and such an attitude towards customers? where should i file a complaint against them? I tried to write to Curacao, and I'm waiting for a response from them. I am also attaching some of my sports bets in case they suddenly want to accuse me of fictitious matches, as well as other participants in this forum. All bets were on top events. 1. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33689466&modal=bet2. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33712166&modal=bet3. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33709748&modal=bet4. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33652169&modal=bet5. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33713208&modal=bet6. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33708570&modal=bet7. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33802000&modal=bet |
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