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same script / template as other tons of casinos, i suggest to invest some in a unique design, otherwise, your site looks like a clone of many many others
Name some? What I can see, there is a lot of differences in the sportsbook. However, has anyone tried this site and is it legit? Is the KYC hassle-free or are they going to want video-KYC's and source of funds once you want to withdraw your winnings? |
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I am wondering why anyone still bothers spending money on this site when there have been issues, problems, redesigns, excuses, and unprofessionalism pretty much forever. Honestly, at some point, I believed in their words... only for a short period of time though and as it turns out, they keep being amateurish.
They do not appear to be a literal scam, this is not what I am saying but I fail to find a reason why people shall be playing there, taking into consideration how this place has been managed for year(s) now.
I don`t wanna be a smartass but I have lost count of how many times I have emphasized that Betnomi has been "mismanaged" ever since... Needless to say that we terminated their promotion years ago with a big, fat warning on the respective review page. Of course, I still hope that things will be fixed, fingers crossed... Dated back in October 2022, you really deserve a prize for that. It's sad that at that time betnomi was managing their public relations on the forum very nicely and no one had any doubt about anything could go wrong from them. Actually there was some of us who raised concerns and tried to warn people about this book but unfortunately many didn't listen. |
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Disregarding the current situation right now, I am inclined to think the opposition toward cicadasTR's flag is an exercise of good judgment. The flag was a reference to an accusation thread where narrative was conditioned and the evidences were fabricated. Will you say examplens is biased because he opposed a flag that's raised under a violation of ToS [refusal to perform KYC], a false accusation, and based on invalid evidences?
Both flags set by lesliegray and cicadasTR refer to cases where they received their funds. So, cicadasTR case Betnomi 0.16090?? BTC no pay, bet history missing, geoblocked post withdrawal is positively solved for him and there is no basis for a supporting flag. lesliegray created a flag on this Betnomi closed my account and took my funds (3600$) after I completed KYC also decided in his favour, the flag is defective in this case. examplens, you did oppose my flag as well and when I saw your replies to my posts I quickly understood that you don't have a clue on how things works.
I would say that you don't understand very well how things work with creating flags. At some point, you both you and cicadasTR created a flag for the same thing and asked for support. When we add to that his cicadasTR attempted manipulation in that case, you both got a question mark from me for bias. I think I even got a PM from you, where you said that you made a mistake and that you didn't know how the flag system works. I will not go further into this discussion. If you want to argue with someone and ask for support to slander anyone, I am not a good interlocutor for that. If we talk about my bias, it can only be towards a fair and honest business. I have no relationship with Betnomi. I don't know anyone from there, I've never had an account there, nor have I ever received money from them. If there is a real case, with unequivocal evidence against them, I will not hesitate to support the flag in that case or to leave them negative feedback. I have never DM:ed you, ever. However, I did make a mistake when creating a flag as you say because I have never done it before and I apologized for creating confusion in the flag thread-thing. I can really admit that I don’t know how that really works. But I know how sports betting works and thats why I’m here. Never forget why Betnomi banned me and locked my funds for months because of this: ”The user is manipulating the pricing, all odds dropped before the kick off, the user has a strong mathematical and analytical pattern of betting in the exact position, as the pattern was repeated again and again, the user is a strong opinion user and is using strategy to gain leverage in the long term, which is against our T&C.” Anyone who’s into sportsbetting knows that this is fraudulent behavior from a so called ”good” book with ”good” reputation. If people on this board isn’t aware of these simple things I don’t know what they’re doing here if they’re not biased. I’m upset because I want the crypto space to be a good and safe place for people and that they can have their funds on these books without getting scammed. I’m a big believer in crypto betting in the future and to see all the people that has shilled this scam book not being held accountable is not ok. I hate to see this happening because it will ruin the reputation and drive people away, and the shillers are a part of it all. We need to make this a better place, and I was saying months ago that Betnomi is ruining the space with their actions. Guess what happened? |
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Why is there anything to be shamed about? I have to take a refresher course to get reacquainted with your case, and after reading it, even with the situation betnomi is currently neck-depth in, it'll still be wrong to support your flag. Your case was proven that they did not delete your betting history, you just did not set the right filter, and the reason why your fund was confiscated for far too long is because you did not submit a document they requested for KYC. All processed accordingly the instance you provide it. Were you suggesting people should support a flag for a case with such basis? The statement of which members agreed upon supporting type-1 flag, your flag, is: " Due largely to the factors mentioned in [...], I believe that anyone dealing with [...] is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions." None of it is valid because the reference that's became the basis of the flag shows otherwise. If people have to support these flags just because now betnomi --if we assume for a second here-- is proven to be abandoning the sinking ship, this will be a wrong way to support flag. This is why the need for anyone having their funds confiscated by betnomi to raise their scam accusation and --if they deem necessary-- a flag against the platform. If all signs shows and verified to be a concrete evidences of an abuse, I am sure DTs will not hesitate to support the flag. So you mean that Examplens isn't biased? Betnomi already cashed cicadasTR out so no need to go much deeper into that because he was right in the end since he won his case. And he didn't only mention that examplens opposed his flag, he opposed others as well (me included). |
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Me and a few other people in this thread keep in touch directly or indirectly with Betnomi and keep each other in the loop (surprisingly there is indeed a connection with Betnomi at the moment). We have a real contingency plan for emergencies (both in the forum and in real life).
Your response helps us users in no way at all. It doesn't matter if you have contacts with the platform owners, as this is not accessible to the majority of users. It may be nice for you that you have other means of contacting the platform owners, but the rest of us have no idea about the whereabouts of our deposited customer funds, information about the planned schedule (when will maintenance end), or any other explanations for the downtime. Users not registered on bitcointalk or not aware of this thread are completely in the dark. Does the current situation even qualify as an emergency? And if so, how should this contact have a directional impact on the outcome? It is frustrating that nobody of us is receiving clear information about the current state of Betnomi. Our concern lies with our deposited customer funds, and we want clarity on the planned schedule and the downtime. They must inform us and be transparent about their approach to addressing the problems. However, it does irritate me a little to read the posts of trolls and sig spammers posting for the sake of a quota ... believe me, by such behavior you only harm the cause (subconsciously making you think that we will not receive the money due to us).
Regarding the danger of a total loss of our deposits, it is entirely irrelevant and inappropriate to complain about spam posts and fantasize about "subconsciously attribute fault to ourselves". Report them if you think it's spam, but don't go into off topic. It is crucial that we focus on the actual issue: The lack of information about the safety of our deposits. If the funds are not paid out, there is only one culprit: The operators of Betnomi. That is the current state, and it won't change until we hear an update from them. The only thing the customers are asking for is a fair treatment. Until then i hold the operators of Betnomi accountable but hopefully they come up with a positive change. You are 100% right. This Icopress dude isn't representing the community. He has been playing devils advocate since day one. Only serving what's benefiting him. |
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That's what I'm talking about. It is necessary to present real evidence, not as you did, which looks more like an attempt at manipulation. I will not support a flag just because I don't like someone, regardless of the lack of justification. Well me and lesliegray did manage to pull our money out. The others would have had the same forewarning if complaints had been taken seriously. So good job. examplens, you did oppose my flag as well and when I saw your replies to my posts I quickly understood that you don't have a clue on how things works. I'm not trying to put salt in anyones wound but we really tried to aware and warn everyone but most of the people in this thread chose to ignore or had biases. The writing was on the wall and I'm not surprised that this is happening at all. |
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Sherbet uses same oddsprovider as some other sportsbooks that many players have had bad experiences lately (bc.game/rollbit/owl.games/etc.) according to what I've been reading on here, twitter and trustpilot. This oddsprovider is very actively flagging accounts that are placing good bets (value bets) and/or accusing players of arb abusing or syndicate betting.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
That's right, these are dirty criminals. I also play volleyball bets very successfully and many of the sites immediately limit, that is, the provider. Of course, the provider has no such rights, he is doing illegal activity. But these sites consist of 2-3 people and they have no choice This is what's wrong and is one of the biggest problems in crypto-betting. Find value, place bets and win = Fraud. |
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I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Dude, I am not sure how long you are in this forum. If this is your only account then it's less than 1 year you are here. But yahoo62278 has been here for 2014 almost 9 years. He has a lot of experience in this field. He also worked on a lot of projects and still working. He knows (from his experience + project team )how some people act innocent after the guilty. I have also some experience working on some projects. I also know some people acting like they don't know anything regarding the issue despite knowing everything. Btw I am not saying OP has a false accusation. I hope the sherbet representative will come and explain everything. That doesn't mean shit. I've been in this industry for 15+ years but this is not about me or you, it's about this case so I'm gonna leave it at that. Besides, I know that yahoo62278 used to work for Betnomi before and was in my thread not to long ago talking reckless without facts, just like he's doing here. What other people do has nothing to do with OP. It isn't fair to OP to have preconceived notions until all facts are in. |
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I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple. Stop assuming things until proven otherwise. |
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I think OP has a point.
If OP was multiaccounting why didn't they state that in the first place? And if he has cost Playbetr/Betcoin tens of thousands of dollars, why would they offer him his deposit back? Doesn't make sense. I respect The Pogg as a mediator but how can we know for sure what kind of info they have been provided with?
All I know is that Playbetr wasn't accusing OP of multiaccounting in the first place (gyazo.com/2cce2f6e291bab297c8dbf9e2940b321).
Did they found that out later on after making more investigation or did they use it as a last line of defense?
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I can confirm that they cashed out.
However, I want to clear some things out since they still painting me up to be this cheater/manipulator.
I have never in my life been called a cheater or a manipulator in sports betting and I feel disrespected and take offense in these allegations. Betnomi has Betconstruct as their odds provider and Betnomi isn’t the first place I have betted on that use this provider. I have never ran into any issues on other books thats getting their odds from Betconstruct. So if I am this supermanipulator I would have been banned/confiscated all across the board that use Betconstruct services. I gave an example on how odds-manipulators work in their ANN because some people doesn't seem to get it.
Betnomi knows that I haven't cheated or manipulated because if that was the case they would never cash out. Calling paying out my fair wins for ”good will” is not true. They know they fucked up and got nothing on me and just trying to do some damage control to save their face.
This W wasn’t for me though, it was for the space. Platforms doesn’t exist without the power of the people and you guys proved that yet again. I’m proud to be in this community and to see people come together and put in time to help solving cases. What you are doing is so important for the future of this platform.
An ADR couldn't solve this case, but you guys did.
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Examplens, Thank you for notifying us. This user is really manipulating pricing which is against the rules of sports betting and we are confident that our risk management tools gave this case the right assessment. Thus, there is no question that he abused our trust.
Our rules (T&C) are straightforward and simple, we will actively enforce them. However, we are unable to share the details of this case, other than those previously disclosed, as in the long term, it could jeopardize our risk management practices and other internal mechanisms and processes. For this reason, as a gesture of goodwill, the user can withdraw his funds, after which his account will be blocked.
at this moment I am not going into all the details of what @lesliegray specifically did and how he cheated the system or not, but maybe you should have it clearly indicated in your TOS so that you can always refer to it and thus avoid additional doubt and explanations. I wouldn't be surprised if, in addition to the ban, he registers again and continues his winning combination. I just wanted to point out that completely ignoring and not responding to scam accusations is not in the best interest of protecting your brand. Unlocking funds for withdrawal in this case is a good indicator that it was not just withholding money on your part, but it can only encourage some future pressures on you. which brings us back to the justification of my suggestion (and I think I'm not the only one) and this will certainly require more of your activities in similar campaigns. I guess it's just part of the business. Stop assuming that I’m a cheater or even speculate about it, it's disrespectful. It’s like me coming in to your office and say that you don’t know shit about your job and assume that you cheated your way to where you are. Do you know how many years of hard work, pain and dedication I have put into my work? Sports betting is a form of art if you understand it. Do you guys even know what manipulating a pricing is? Manipulating a price is when someone puts in volume on the other side to get a better line for the side he wants to put his bet on. Example: Lakers has a -9.5 line against Houston Rockets. In order for me to manipulate this line I have to smash the line on Houston to move the initial 9.5 line on the Lakers. This requires volume across multiple books. When the traders then adjust the line on the Lakers to -8.5 thats when I place the bet that I wanted for a better price. I just manipulated the line and created edge. This example is textbook in how prices are manipulated! On the other hand, if I place a bet on Lakers -9.5 because I think it’s a good bet and has value and later see the line move to -10.5 because the market thinks the same, am I a manipulator because of that? See the difference? I will never in my lifetime open an account on Betnomi again so please stop assuming things. |
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@lesliegray try to log in and withdraw your money.  Can't login. "The user doesn't exist". Edit: Made a withdrawal request. I will give further updates when everything is done. |
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Yeah that was me. I made a mistake when creating the flag as I got the wrong reference. Thats why it's withdrawn. The flag I posted here is the correct one. Sorry about the confusion. |
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This case is crystal clear in my eyes and OP deserves to be paid every single penny.
Waiting for Betnomi's response.
You cannot exactly say the case is crystal clear. You have heard 1 side of the story here. Should I assume you are an alt account of the OP? That's basically what you are doing by siding with the bettor before hearing both sides. We don't know what evidence Betnomi might have or will share, so it's best not to form an opinion until we have both sides. Oh please just stop it with the assumptions. I've seen you a lot in the Betnomi ANN-thread shilling like there's no tomorrow. You attack everyone who talks bad about Betnomi so don't come in here with that nonsense. I haven't attacked anyone, I simply said that guy/girl couldn't assume anything with 1 side of the story. You sure seem ready to attack though. No need for you to get on my case. I'm not on your side or theirs. I want to hear both sides before coming to a conclusion. Looks like this is site #2 to halt your betting activity though. Yeah and why do you think they halt me? Some books are just bad losers. Getting limited is a part of the game though, getting confiscated isn't. I won that case btw. Arguing with other forum members is not going to help your case. As long as you will present your evidences and can convince others then they will support you. You and betnomi, none are special to anyone except may be to few who are benefiting from it. But even receiving benefit does not mean one will accept a wrong if it looks an obvious wrong. So Betnomi doesn’t even care to respond to them even though The Pogg tried to reach out on numerous occasions. If Betnomi have nothing to hide, they can stand up for the action they have taking against me and would have been open to solve it but apparently they're not.
I will also PM them to check on the thread. I know you have good intentions but I just want to say that this isn't about me. This is important for the space as a whole and if we want a bright future in the crypto betting community we can't tolerate having books confiscate money from people just because they are winning. I'm a big believer in the future of crypto betting but If we can’t trust operators to treat everyone fair, then what are we really doing here? |
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1. Risk management team confessed that they banned OP because he was a winner: ”The user is manipulating the pricing, all odds dropped before the kick off, the user has a strong mathematical and analytical pattern of betting in the exact position, as the pattern was repeated again and again, the user is a strong opinion user and is using strategy to gain leverage in the long term, which is against our T&C. If a user feels that we have done something unfair, please tell them not to hesitate to file a complaint with the Curacao gambling authorities and we will be happy to work with them to resolve the issue. Also, if he needs help getting in touch with them, please let us know and we will provide him with their contact information. We will continue to enforce our fraud prevention policies and take appropriate actions when we detect fraud or abuse.” 2. Betnomi Rep has ignored OP for over a month 3. Betnomi won't even answer to ADR provider. Unfortunately after repeated efforts to contact the operator to discuss this issue we have received no response what-so-ever. At this juncture we have no reasonable expectation of this changing.
Sorry we could not be of further help.
ThePOGG You should consider creating a flag against Betnomi(Type 2 or 3) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5160255.0And then ask for support Request Support for Flags
Thank you for informing. I have created a flag against Betnomi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3120I also made a post in the request-support thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.440 |
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Requesting support for this flag against Betnomi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3120Scam accusation link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440776.0Betnomi is a casino/sportsbook and they took 3600$ from me after I completed KYC and have been ignoring me for over a month afterwards. They've even ignored a solid ADR called The Pogg where Betnomi is listed and they don't even bother responding to the accusation either. This is their reason for suspending my account: ”The user is manipulating the pricing, all odds dropped before the kick off, the user has a strong mathematical and analytical pattern of betting in the exact position, as the pattern was repeated again and again, the user is a strong opinion user and is using strategy to gain leverage in the long term, which is against our T&C. If a user feels that we have done something unfair, please tell them not to hesitate to file a complaint with the Curacao gambling authorities and we will be happy to work with them to resolve the issue. Also, if he needs help getting in touch with them, please let us know and we will provide him with their contact information. We will continue to enforce our fraud prevention policies and take appropriate actions when we detect fraud or abuse.” Anyone who is into sports betting knows that this is an absurd reason for banning my account. Read accusation thread for more info and proof. |
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This case is crystal clear in my eyes and OP deserves to be paid every single penny.
Waiting for Betnomi's response.
You cannot exactly say the case is crystal clear. You have heard 1 side of the story here. Should I assume you are an alt account of the OP? That's basically what you are doing by siding with the bettor before hearing both sides. We don't know what evidence Betnomi might have or will share, so it's best not to form an opinion until we have both sides.  I'm not on your side or theirs. Everyone has biases. IM COMPLETELY 100% UNBIASED, BUT... Should I assume you are an alt account of the OP? Looks like this is site #2 to halt your betting activity though. Please stop embarrassing yourself. I have not worked with Betnomi for months now. If anything I dislike their owner, but that doesn't mean i'm automatically gonna say they're scammers because of an accusation popping up. Is this how you guys handle accusations? Instantly attack people who aren't saying everything you want to hear? Why are you even concerned about this case? Dude, do you think I enjoy making accusations? This is a complete headache and something I want to avoid at all costs because it's time-consuming and I want to spend this time on other things. I feel obligated to stand up for myself, the community and for the betting-cryptospace as a whole. |
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Yeah and why do you think they halt me? Some books are just bad losers. Getting limited is a part of the game though, getting confiscated isn't.
I won that case btw.
Have you at least try to inform betnomi about this thread so they can give their side of the story? I've see your post on their ann thread before you created this thread but I dismissed it because it's too troublesome to navigate through the story with so many comments and discussion overlapping your post, so moving it to this sub-board will hopefully do us all a favor, but at least inform the accused. It'll only be a fair case if they were given a chance to defend themselves. A super quick glance at your and betnomi's post history told me that you both has not engaged on any dialogue about your case yet, in sense that they addressed you directly.
Having a bad experience with Betnomi as well. My funds are being stuck right now because I can't pass the KYC as they reject documents that are not in english. I've never seen a bookmaker do this before.
It's basically impossible to pass KYC with them if you're not in an english speaking country...
You might want to create your own thread for that, so every side can stay focused on what's what and who's who.
Edit: I've PMed betnomi informing them about this thread. I'm pretty sure they are aware. I mean, I have been in dialog with them through e-mail and all they said was this: "Hello, our risk management team reviewed your sports bet and decided to suspended your account due to your engagement in constantly breaking our Terms & Conditions. Unfortunately, their decision is final." This was before I got the more detailed answer in their ANN about me constantly beating the lines. At first I wanted to solve this through the ADR but when Betnomi ignored them for a month, I felt that this was the last option. To be honest, I don't feel too comfortable about them having all my information either. I saw in the other accusation-thread against them that Betnomi has published another users passport in the past. |
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This case is crystal clear in my eyes and OP deserves to be paid every single penny.
Waiting for Betnomi's response.
You cannot exactly say the case is crystal clear. You have heard 1 side of the story here. Should I assume you are an alt account of the OP? That's basically what you are doing by siding with the bettor before hearing both sides. We don't know what evidence Betnomi might have or will share, so it's best not to form an opinion until we have both sides. Oh please just stop it with the assumptions. I've seen you a lot in the Betnomi ANN-thread shilling like there's no tomorrow. You attack everyone who talks bad about Betnomi so don't come in here with that nonsense. I haven't attacked anyone, I simply said that guy/girl couldn't assume anything with 1 side of the story. You sure seem ready to attack though. No need for you to get on my case. I'm not on your side or theirs. I want to hear both sides before coming to a conclusion. Looks like this is site #2 to halt your betting activity though. Yeah and why do you think they halt me? Some books are just bad losers. Getting limited is a part of the game though, getting confiscated isn't. I won that case btw. |
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