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1  Economy / Gambling / Re: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting on: Today at 08:08:50 AM
I feel that this is a really bad time to launch your token FJ because of the horrendous bear market at the moment. Your token would most probably take a massive dump and disappear like it was nothing in such a bear market.

I suggest launching it later on when the market conditions are better though no one really knows how long that would take.

I think FJ knows when market will start to recover, like they have a lot of contacts and money, they are here from 2013, probably FJ will sell it's token when market gona recover, mark my words.
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit banned my account with $3.2k in the balance on: August 11, 2024, 10:55:51 PM
A few days ago I deposited some money to play on rollbit. To deposit they required me to verify my ID so I did and it got approved, I managed to make $4100 profit and withdrew my deposit ($1100) right after that they asked me to do another level of kyc (level 3 where you have to add a selfie) so I did that and it got approved again.

Right after that they wanted me to do another level of kyc (level 4, address verification) for context I am a dual resident of the netherlands and norway and during the time of this I was in norway (still am right now) however I used the address verification of my residence in the netherlands as I thought the kyc was just for anti fraud purposes and still had that bill on my phone from another verfication I did. They locked my account with the $3200 inside for geo restrictions and are not letting me re-verify my residence in Norway.

My friend is down over $15k on this site and has never been asked to do a KYC check, to me it seems like they are using geo restriction as an excuse to make players forfeit big wins while they use the argument "You have already withdrew your deposit back" but they would never return the deposit if a player is in a loss. Casinos like stake would never hold your winnings like that and would instead put you in a "withdraw only mode". I personally think if they allow a player to gamble (taking the risk to lose it all) he should always be allowed to withdraw his winnings / remaining balance as long no fraud is involved.

Conversation with support: https://imgur.com/a/st3nepU

If you have more evidences, would be OK to share it here or via PM, we are preparing videos and a super visual website to show to Internet how does Rollbit scam users for no pay winnings(Recently I got scammed 5k from rollbit too with a similar situation).


Hope you can get your money back OP
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 11, 2024, 10:45:06 PM
Holy, like all your replies are TOS TOS TOS, and you are mad bcause i'm tired of reading TOS TOS TOS, I said like 3 times OK with TOS, so leave TOS away and try to help me with this dark behaviour of Rollbit.

Rollbit compliance team answer me and they don't want to pay me, no matter what they won't pay me.

I won't accept my 5k scammed, somehow, I'll fuck Rollbit for scamming me and leaving me 4 months playing and losing, the moment I win they restrict me.

I've sent this case to DGOJ, hope they can help or at least, fuck Rollbit.

And yes, Rollbit told me is a mere coincidence that I'm blocked when I'm profitable, after more than 120 days, when I requested the withdrawal that made me profitable XD.

What is a coincidence is that Rollbit is still open.

4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 09, 2024, 02:40:08 PM
Just recived the reply from compliance, they say the same TOS TOS, but they didn't answer or mention anything about their dark behaviour, be ready scammers I'm gonna fuck your site.

Anyone that happened the same as me can contact me and send me proves that rollbit are scammers so I can add it to the report(for the moment I'll do an individual report, if I recive more proves we can do a collective report), videos and website.

There’s zero chance to win against them this way since they have the ToS backing their decision with your case. Allowing you to get your money will open up this loophole which restricted players can play ignorant with the ToS then play dumb once they are caught since Rollbit will just refund funds.

Their reputation is rock solid here due to their good track record for helping forum member with legitimate case. I think you can ask them for some reconsideration and give you part of your profit as compensation.

I've sent an email about the reconsideration, but I don't think we will agree they told me "final decision", what a headache man.

I guess Rollbit doesn't want to explain to DGOJ this behaviour of let spanish players lose for +120 days and the moment I'm profitable they don't let me withdraw and insta-ban,Rollbit are the first one who let spanish players play their website.

I'm thinking to open a casino like Rollbit and apply the same rules as Rollbit, I mean easy money.

Cheers
5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 09, 2024, 02:06:25 PM
Just recived the reply from compliance, they say the same TOS TOS, but they didn't answer or mention anything about their dark behaviour, be ready scammers I'm gonna fuck your site.

Anyone that happened the same as me can contact me and send me proves that rollbit are scammers so I can add it to the report(for the moment I'll do an individual report, if I recive more proves we can do a collective report), videos and website.
6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 09, 2024, 10:43:16 AM
Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.

Annddd.... we're entering the classic scenario of "what if he, what is she, what if they", namely: what if you're winning here and they allow your withdrawal, like perhaps the first three to four withdrawal, you'll be ok with that? Let's move further, you keep winning and able to make withdrawals, will you ever complained about their Spain ToS? Though you're basically illegally accessing their platform?

You asked us to stop talking about ToS, but the root of the problem here is ToS. You're asking the impossible here.

The burden to read ToS and the restricted countries [every casino has this clause of restricted territories, so a seasoned online gambler will know such thing exist and will check them on the first place] fell on the shoulder of the player. They're the one who acknowledge, affirm, accept, attest, and other confirmative synonyms of agreeing the clauses on their terms. This is the root of your problem: you attest that you've read the ToS upon using their service, while you evidently didn't read their restricted territory clause. It's there for you to read, they require you to be certain that you've read them prior to accessing the site, they even add an extra layer of security by having a pop-up stating people are accessing from restricted territory when they do so.

If your concern is that they shouldn't allow Spanish resident to access the site on the first place, at all, aside from the pop up as shown above [I'll really appreciate if you can give us an insight whether that pop up appeared during your previous visit and you choose to close them or what], I was assured that [I guess from the many cases happens so far], they decide to place other, more drastic, preventive measure, that they'll go with what Stake do, namely require the basic KYC upon registration. Not sure if it's already been implemented or they're in process of it, as I haven't try them myself.


Ye holy you don't talk about the dark behaviour of Rollbit, so you are agreeing this dark behaviour, thanks.
I don't get why you keep saying TOS TOS, yes I've read Spain is restricted, now you are happy? Let's move to the dark behaviour of Rollbit.
Please don't say they're in process to do like Stake, I can do that in 3 days, they have engineers 100k/year please, I'm not stupid.
That's like leaving a gun in a table and put a cartel saying "don't touch it", you have faith no one will never touch it? It's not better to simply don't put the gun in the table? Please stop this stupid replies.

Could you ask to Razor about I've been a loser and never got KYC(if I was a loser all my life, I would be a VIP member Rollbit) and after 4 months and become profitable they KYC and now ban or doesn't interest to ask him this? If not It's ok, it's all said, emails sent and I'm preparing big things too.

Now let's see you reply again saying TOS TOS is your bad, more times you say TOS you are defending more this dark behaviour.

I'm a bit tired of watching screenshots of restricted country spain and TOS TOS, if replies doesn't say anything new, I'll just reply here when compliance team replies me.

I believe you guys are here to help player, and not to favour casino and get a comission of it, so thanks all for your effort in my case, I'll update it here when compliance team replies me.

Have a good day



7  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 09, 2024, 10:17:26 AM
I'm not sure if was Rating or Holydarknes that can contact Razor but if you can, can you ask Razor about this behaviour that I experienced?
Like I told before, If I was ban the first moment they knew I was from Spain I would agree with them,but I've been a loser and I was more than welcome,but when I'm profitable you don't pay me? Cmone Rollbit... you can do it better.

Also I've read a topic about a Belgium guy that also got ban but at the end Rollbit released hes withdrawal, I have faith in Rollbit still.
Also a spanish streamer happened the same as me and finally Rollbit did pay him too(maybe because he has more reach than me?).

I promise if they release my withdrawal requested before the ban I'll delete all mentioned and have good words for Rollbit, I'm the first one who wants to end this asap, you know I've always like Rollbit.

meanwhile I'm already contacting with Spanish casino influencers so they can help me to reach the max people about this.
I'm already working on hyper visual videos that I'll post on a website and share it via all internet, If I need to pay a server to have bots in ytb, x.com etc. to constantly remember the people my experience, I'll pay it, servers cost me 20$ a month, it's OK.

I hate doing this, It's work for me and waste my time to get my money xd, I prefer to invest my time in other stuff, but 5K are 5K my boys, and if they fck me I can guarantee that somehow Rollbit will remember that Spaniard that got 5k scammed.

Luckly in my professional experience I've been working with all kind of bots and I can be a fcker too, for this I'm 100% sure that's all planned in the past and a business manager and engineer did the Trello task so well.

That's no hate for Rollbit, I'm just sharing my experience LOL, would be hate if I was lying.

So I'll just wait for compliance team response, I have faith in compliance team and Rollbit, thanks for the replies mates.

Have a good day.
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 08, 2024, 11:23:01 PM
Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.



9  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 08, 2024, 11:01:52 AM
Well you are covering a scam case, nice for you and your mind, I'll continue to expose this behaviour of rollbit, thats so easy to make money for them, also the case I don't think it's the same of the OP that u mention so don't apply the same, I've been with rollbit since March, what happens rollbit system doesn't work until August? Pls stop trying to make me to accept this scam decission, you get comission holy?

So come to my page, try to win money and the moment u won the money sorry restricted, but if I lose 3-4 months straigh money WELCOME SPAIN bettor.
Also you probably are from rollbit too and want to say that.
I'll expose all of you scammers if you don't release my withdraw, don't think that scam me 5k will be free.
BTW I don't think an international judge will accept this behaviour from a site, maybe my money won't be back, but for Rollbit there will be consecuences.

So if in TOS says you can f*** my mom it says in the TOS, so sorry it says in the TOS.

10  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 08, 2024, 09:06:46 AM
Still waiting for response... I don't get how you guys defend a site that let restricted players lose money but no win money... where is your morality
11  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: August 04, 2024, 11:16:16 AM
I'll just wait for compliance to answer, they told me no more than 8 weeks to answer... that's a lot of time not gona lie.

Yep that is for example how Stake does, withdraw only mode and account ban, that is legit.

And all of you guys that say you break TOS bla bla okey ban my account, my IP, my KYC, but don't take my money.
I'm been honest and telling my situation and If Rollbit doesn't pay my profit that was so hard for me to make it, they took 3 months of my work money,
why I can't take profit now? So TOS only when I'm profitable, If I'm a loser like I was for long months it's OK, Spanish money player you are welcome.

If they deny my 5k, somehow I'll prove that Rollbit does this behaviour in porpuse to get money from loser restricted country gamblers in their favour, not in TOS favour.

I'm mad at this because it's not like Rollbit detected that I was from Spain and since min 1 they required me KYC,
they required KYC the moment I request the withdraw that make's Rollbit lose vs me, after 3-4 months of me losing all time.

It would be different for me if at the first time they detect me I'm from Spain they ban me, that's different, now after 3-4 months I had the best luck of my life, you ban me because now I'm profitable?
12  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit unfairly mades me forfeit my last withdrawal on: August 04, 2024, 09:52:28 AM
I am glad to see how meticulously and patiently holydarkness is bringing out the root of the matter. Kudos for your efforts. I have been observing recent debates (I am not sure if we can categorize them as such Grin) between holydarkness and Rating Place, and I believe there is a common theme (misconception from holydarkness's POV) that he always goes soft on casinos while Rating Place most of the time acquires a harsh tone against casinos.
My hunch is holydarkness has built some rapport with casinos (and his hard work must be recognized for that as it is not an easy thing to do) while serving as a long-standing medium between casinos and this forum. He wants to maintain that rapport as it might be essential to investigate/speed up cases. Does this mean we should moderate our skepticism against unaccountable (Curaçao license holders Grin) mammoths? I do not think so, and this is, IMHO, what Rating Place is doing. I can feel him going hard on casinos and showing support (even sometimes without evidence Grin) to players. While I totally appreciate the efforts (I wish I could be that energetic) of holydarkness, I just want to say that this time I sense a bully in you, which was totally unnecessary.
Regarding the case, if OP can show that in the past he made successful bets and cashed out using his current IP location in question (which led to the ban), then the casino is at fault.

I've been playing from long ago in rollbit, I don't know how can I prove that I made bets and withdraws with spanish IP(I did it) (they have it in their system 100%, but they INSTA BAN me when i sent my ID, I didn't make screenshot at all because wasn't thinking that was rollbit plans).

But I can make another acc and make the same behaviour as mine ban, so I could prove it, for now I won't because I've did KYC as requested and Rollbit doesn't want me in their page, but if they answer me saying no money for me, if is needed I will do it to prove that you can bet deposit withdraw with spanish IP until you are a profitable player, if u are a loser like I was for months you are more than welcome.

By the way I've edited my first message of this topic, because I explain the way rollbit works with restricted players and as I wrote, I think you can feel my frustration, because this is intentional.

13  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit unfairly mades me forfeit my last withdrawal on: August 03, 2024, 07:01:31 PM
I don't get why casinos like Stake returns player's money for geolocalization because stake knows player deposit and risks it's money but Rollbit just waits for player to be in profit to ban it and cancel any kind of profit, but if player loses like i was those months, they keep quiet and let player lose as max as possible.

I'm fighting to get my own money... that's incredible.

Hope compliance Rollbit team can solve this.
14  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit unfairly mades me forfeit my last withdrawal on: August 01, 2024, 03:49:39 PM
I just use VPN because it creates a tunnel between me and the server so it gains more security for network.

As I've told I did the KYC with rollbit so It would be stupid to use VPN and KYC Spain.

Knowing that if I KYC from Spain they will "forfeied" my money, I wouldn't do it for sure, though was like Stake when they KYC me too..
15  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit unfairly mades me forfeit my last withdrawal on: August 01, 2024, 03:19:09 PM
I've got a mail from compilance they will check it, hope I can get my withdraw.

That's so sad that Benji told me: As mentioned, you are in significant profit here on Rollbit. The funds have been forfeited.

Also is so bad to experience that support's tells you your money is forfeit, for what for follow instructions and make the KYC?

Why they didn't flagged me when I was losing all to return my money that I lost betting? And now they flag me that for the first time I'm in profit? What a dark trick holy.

You guys talk like sorry for your lost money, I'll fight for my money.

Just look at what rollbit does thats a good plan for them, you can deposit and lose money, but if you win I get restricted, so they win or win there is no chance for them to lose and no chance for me to win.

I don't get why I can't just get my withdrawal, they want to keep my money, that's so scam wtf.

Also you guys are telling that it appears a popup, cmone lets be serious, I use vpn for my security and it doesn't appear.

Look what stake does for example, they literally cancel the connection from countries that are not in their list.

In the past in stake in Spain I could bet but they restricted Spain some years ago and I noticed because stake.com wasn't loading, also had this same problem with Stake and I got my withdrawal and account closed.

So at the end they are winning money not because people is greedy and odds are in the casino's favour, it's because they make those tricks to keep the money of customers, if you lose OK, if you win KYC, restricted account and withdrawal not processed.

This shouldn't be legal to be allowed to happen, I'm sure they have a good engineer team that can block connections from restricted countries... make like stake.com and don't let the website load.

Players in those casino's are destined to lose, with the risk of the player to bet and lose money.
16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit unfairly mades me forfeit my last withdrawal on: July 31, 2024, 05:58:31 PM
That's a no sense, because If I make profit they have the power to forfeit my winnings, but If I lose they won't say anything and keep the money.

I'll wait for their reponse and post screenshots, i've sent mail to support and compilance hope they can solve the problem, I only talked to Benji and he told me that money is forfeit and told me i'm in profit(?) thats the point why i gamble, to try to make profit wtf..., that's kinda scam, if u lose just keep coming to rollbit to lose all,
but if u win they forfeit my money.

What a horrible situation, I don't recommend it to anyone
17  Economy / Scam Accusations / [UNRESOLVED]Rollbit SCAMS money from restricted players with 0% chance of lose on: July 31, 2024, 03:56:10 PM
Hi, I've been betting for months in rollbit from Spain without KYC, yesterday I've requested the withdraw of 5K, and they required me to contact support and verify my ID, I did verify my ID and now
my account is suspended and my withdrawal because I'm from Spain and it's excluded and Benji is telling me your money is forfeited? Why they don't release my withdrawal?

I've been playing from Spain long months ago, used their services and made withdraws with Spain IP(so they know from long ago I'm from Spain) Bets with spain IP, all with SPAIN IP, and now that I make the withdraw that makes me profitable Rollbit bans account and profitable money sorry but you are from restricted country.

So you are telling me that Rollbit didn't know that I was a player from a restricted country when at least i made
100 bets that i made with spanish IP,
5 withdraws(when i wasn't profitable) that I made with spanish IP
but the withdraw that spanish IP player makes spanish IP player profitable: sorry no pay winning money.

So the short story is Rollbit policy vs restricted players is to win money from restricted player,
but if restricted player make's the withdraw that is profit for player, SORRY YOU ARE FROM RESTRICTED COUNTRY


But in this 3-4 months I've been working, betting and losing vs Rollbit I could withdraw money from Rollbit in the period I wasn't profitable), BUT the withdraw that makes me profitable vs Rollbit They now say OOOH, YOU ARE FROM RESTRICTED COUNTRY SORRY.

I'm guarating you 100% that they knew from day 1 I'm from Spain, from day 1 that I deposit and lost a lot of money betting, that's what happened to me day 1 I lost a lot of money, so Rollbit didn't say ANYTHING ABOUT RESTRICTED COUNTRIES, EVEN MORE, I WAS A PERFECT PLAYER BECAUSE I WAS LOSING A LOT+ WHEN I'M PROFITABLE SORRY RESTRICTED COUNTRY BYE, SO BY THIS WAY THEY CAN WIN MONEY WITH 0% CHANCE OF LOSE, YOU ARE GENIUSES I'M INVESTING ON YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE THAT WIN MONEY VS RESTRICTED PLAYERS BUT RESTRICTED PLAYER IF WIN NO PAY.

IN THEIR APP BUSINESS LOGIC THEY HAVE THIS PLANNED, THAT IS A TRELLO TASK MADE BY A PSYCHOPATH MANAGER AND ENGINEER,
I COULD NEVER PROGRAME THIS BUSINESS LOGIC KNOWING THAT LOSER RESTRICTED PLAYERS ALWAYS HAD A 0% CHANCE OF MAKE PROFIT FROM ROLLBIT, BUT ROLLBIT CAN MAKE PROFIT FROM RESTRICTED PLAYER FROM DAY 1 UNTIL INFINITE(UNTIL I'M PROFITABLE) IF I WAS LOSING 20 YEARS STRAIGH THEY WOULD LET ME USE ALL KIND OF SERVICES.


So basicly rollbit CLOSES EYES when you deposit, bet and withdraw with restricted country players
but OPEN EYES when restricted country players make's the withdraw that is profitable for player, NICE BUSINESS LOGIC GUYS, YOU ARE 10/10



For Rollbit that DARK TRICK is HYPER PROFITABLE AND SAFE,THEY HAVE 100% CHANCES NO LOSE MONEY.


ROLLBIT FOR RESTRICTED COUNTRY USERS APPLIES THIS: IF YOU ARE A LOSING OK OK COME TO LOSE MORE
IF YOU MAKE THE WITHDRAW THAT MAKES YOU PROFITABLE:
SORRY BUT KYC SORRY U ARE FROM RESTRICTED COUNTRY HAHA EASY NO PAY WINNINGS FROM PROFITABLE PLAYERS
UNTIL PLAYER BETS AND SENDS THE WITHDRAW THAT MAKES THE PLAYER PROFITABLE SO HAHA EASY NO PAY WINNINGS.


Rollbit business logic creators are a geniouses, those geniouses making 100k a year, because they make those hyper scammer ways of make money

So restricted countries is so profitable for them, ROLLBIT let players from restricted countries bet and lose, whenever you are profitable Rollbit FREEZE the withdrawal
that was in process and restrict the account and tell you that the withdrawal is forfeited.

So basicly Rollbit let you lose money, but no win money because you are from a restricted country, so I've been losing for 3 months of my life of my WORKED money losing bets and trying to be profitable
and finally in the 4th month that I made profit, my profit withdrawal is forfeited, thanks for letting me bet thinking I could make profit in your site Rollbit, that's the darkest and scammest way to get my money
until i'm profitable, if I was losing 2 years straigh you would let me lose thinking that some day I could profit.

A site that has restricted countries that loads the page + loads all services for deposit/withdraw/bet to let PLAYER bet and if you lose OK, keep coming, if you WIN, account ban and profits forfeited
SOULD BE ILEGALL.
THANK YOU FOR Rollbit managers and engineers to make that Trello task named "Scam resitricted players"

- If account is from restricted countries let them use our services
-  Whenever the restricted user makes a withdrawal that is a profitable withdrawal(deposits-withdraws) flag it with KYC and activate service ScamRestrictedUsers

ScamRestrictedUsers makes

- Require KYC(when is provided, if is from restricted country send email money forfeited because restricted
- If No KYC easy scammed money,
- If KYC == Restricted country send mail "u are from restricted country"  content: money forfeited because u are from restricted country
- If KYC is not FROM Restricted country send mail "sorry we had connections from restricted countries ilegal against TOS"

Rollbit can win money from restricted players and restricted players can't win money from Rollbit.
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