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August 04, 2024, 04:20:15 PM
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A site that has restricted countries that loads the page + loads all services for deposit/withdraw/bet to let PLAYER bet and if you lose OK, keep coming, if you WIN, account ban and profits forfeited
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That’s why you should always read the ToS since casino requires you to read it first during the registration before you can start to play which often being skipped.

Your laziness on reading small prints cause you a lot. It’s very hard to argue or justify your case since they are protected with their ToS which you voluntarily accept during the registration. It’s your own accord when you play in the casino since they never forced you to play so you can’t blame them if you can access it while your country is listed on restricted country. It’s your response to have a due diligence.

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August 04, 2024, 04:47:15 PM
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Holydarkness , you are now at the point where you are just blatantly lying and it’s not a first. I never said that I “disregard proof”. I said that a player is innocent until proven guilty. The player starts off innocent. Facts must prove his guilt.

[...]I take the player’s side with no proof and make the book prove guilt.

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Oh, let me retract that statement and rephrase them, it's not "disregard proof" it's "taking side with no proof". And why the hostile reaction? As I said, I honestly trying to see how is this beneficial as an overseer of scam accusations board and toward a case resolution.

Further, I don't think I've ever deliberately lie before. Can you perhaps give some reference of where I caught lying?

You start off saying that the player is guilty and must prove his innocence. It’s impossible to prove innocence because these casinos keep changing and tacking on new allegations mid stream. The casino must prove guilt.

I believe I always start off by saying everybody is guilty. Where do I ever say I start off saying the player is guilty? Please point me out and I'll humbly recant and clarify that statement publicly.

I believe it is known that I take the modified "presumption of guilt", of which I've explained rather extensively somewhere in the past. With you, actually. I recalled that I was addressing similar "accusation" from you that I always start off taking book's side. Too lazy to dig it up, but if we have to take a refresher course, summarized, I start off by assuming every side have more than they let us know, no one "is innocent" and we have to question everything, thus inquiring each and every side until there is enough evidence to understand the truth.

Those said, I believe my posts is riddled with inquiries toward you that any is yet to be addressed? Will it ever be cleared? Do you want to drop it?

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August 04, 2024, 05:13:02 PM
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Holydarkness , you are now at the point where you are just blatantly lying and it’s not a first. I never said that I “disregard proof”. I said that a player is innocent until proven guilty. The player starts off innocent. Facts must prove his guilt.

[...]I take the player’s side with no proof and make the book prove guilt.

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Oh, let me retract that statement and rephrase them, it's not "disregard proof" it's "taking side with no proof". And why the hostile reaction? As I said, I honestly trying to see how is this beneficial as an overseer of scam accusations board and toward a case resolution.

Further, I don't think I've ever deliberately lie before. Can you perhaps give some reference of where I caught lying?

You start off saying that the player is guilty and must prove his innocence. It’s impossible to prove innocence because these casinos keep changing and tacking on new allegations mid stream. The casino must prove guilt.

I believe I always start off by saying everybody is guilty. Where do I ever say I start off saying the player is guilty? Please point me out and I'll humbly recant and clarify that statement publicly.

I believe it is known that I take the modified "presumption of guilt", of which I've explained rather extensively somewhere in the past. With you, actually. I recalled that I was addressing similar "accusation" from you that I always start off taking book's side. Too lazy to dig it up, but if we have to take a refresher course, summarized, I start off by assuming every side have more than they let us know, no one "is innocent" and we have to question everything, thus inquiring each and every side until there is enough evidence to understand the truth.

Those said, I believe my posts is riddled with inquiries toward you that any is yet to be addressed? Will it ever be cleared? Do you want to drop it?

You have posted many times that the player must prove his innocence. This is the same as saying he starts off guilty. I’ll let this thread run its course a little more, then come back later to answer your questions. The current case comes down to jurisdiction but I’ll wait some in case there are more opinions on the case at hand.

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You Both please stop this d##k fight for goodness's sake. Every scam accusation topic is becoming your d##k fighting arena which is making it too hard to follow the original case.
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August 04, 2024, 05:46:59 PM
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You have posted many times that the player must prove his innocence. This is the same as saying he starts off guilty. I’ll let this thread run its course a little more, then come back later to answer your questions. The current case comes down to jurisdiction but I’ll wait some in case there are more opinions on the case at hand.

Point it out to me? The ones where I say player must prove his innocence, thus saying he starts off guilty? I believe what I inquire is mostly proof to back up their claim and more context, and then I'll reach the representative of the casino and inquire their side. Please, point it out to me?

And why wait? My questions to you has no relation at all to the development of the case. The opinion and the course of this case has no relation to what I inquire from you. In fact, the sooner you provide your answers and clarify the issue, the sooner this discussion [which started when you made a post which benefits I questioned and yet to be answered] can be over, and perhaps you can start focusing yourself on your attempt to reach a resolution.



@holydarkness and @Rating Place
You Both please stop this d##k fight for goodness's sake. Every scam accusation topic is becoming your d##k fighting arena which is making it too hard to follow the original case.

Sorry, but it has to be done and cleared, this discussion of ours started from a statement that can heavily misled people. That's the purpose of my inquiries toward him, to straighten that thing out. I am more than happy to drop them the instance peeps give his answer to the initially simple query, which later become an ever growing list of question as he keeps adding statement instead of give a direct answer.

If it's any consolation, I multitask by addressing OP whenever he replied and still have the best interest on my mind to get this case resolved, not to mention that this case is rather moot. It ended almost the instance it started, so the derailing happened from my discussion with peeps --I believe-- is somewhat minimal.



Edit: memehunter thank you for the hard slap on my face that awakens me... err, sounds good in my head, but sounds very cheesy when I typed them out loud, LOL.

Replaying the situation and the communications happened on this thread thus far in my head while I do my laundry [literally], I realized what I tried to achieve and straighten has been reached: to clarify that casino's hand are tied when provider asks for investigation and they have to comply, that they can't just release fund pending provider's investigation. It's proven by Peeps' own digging and research, by his article.

As such, allow me to be the bigger man and take the higher road by not pursuing that matter any further, as I think we can safely consider that the matter is cleared to anyone reading his previous post, and the possible misled [I'd like to think he has no deliberate intention to do so, just... a bit not understanding how the casino environment works, as his trump is on sportsbook] has been annulled.

Edit 2: the edit above was made right after I do my laundry and typed without reading that Peeps made a new post. I still hold and stand by my statement above, that I am dropping it, as I am being very honest and serious when I said it is not my intention to attack the poster, just the misleading post. If he still want to address my questions, he can and more than welcome to do it, but it's not important to me anymore as I'd like to think the matter I tried to straighten has been straightened, nor that I'll probably address them if it poses the risk of beating a dead horse.

And to address Peeps's latest post... no, I can assure you that I am not attacking your every post. Might come as a surprise to you, but I actually valued you. You're frustrating, yes, but I consider you as someone that's... akin to a co-worker [hey, it's a corporate secret that we have a frenemy co-worker]. So no, I don't have anything personal against you... anymore. I left them on... how many threads ago was it that ended up with us exchanging a PM?

In fact, there are posts you made that acually put smile on my mouth as you seemed to handle things objectively despite the casino in question is [it's a public secret] the one you loathed so much. So, to clarify, in case it's not clear enough, I am not attacking your every post, I only "attack" you... actually, anyone, really, [this one for example] when their post is borderline... hmmm... I don't have a nice word for it.

I've said my piece. The rest is up to you.

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August 04, 2024, 05:57:52 PM
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You Both please stop this d##k fight for goodness's sake. Every scam accusation topic is becoming your d##k fighting arena which is making it too hard to follow the original case.
I agree that I get caught up in too many posts with holydarkness. He attacks my every post, wants proof and asks a lot of questions that he wants replies too. I only enter threads involving sportsbooks that I rate since I have a lot of experience researching these books outside of BCT for the last 10 years. I will try to refrain from getting caught in disputes outside of the topic. I’ll at least wait until a thread has run it’s course before replying to holydarkness.

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Still waiting for response... I don't get how you guys defend a site that let restricted players lose money but no win money... where is your morality
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August 08, 2024, 09:50:37 AM
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Still waiting for response... I don't get how you guys defend a site that let restricted players lose money but no win money... where is your morality

OP, sorry, I was about to make a reply to your case yesterday, but I was finalizing things with Rollbit for it, asking and waiting their confirmation and permission to make this post. I got a reply when I was asleep last night, read their confirmation earlier today, and was about to jump right away to finalize this case but... well, there is this thing called coffee and... I got absorbed into that lovely steaming mug of it.

Okay, I'm rambling.

Your case shares the same similarity of this one by Gochomovie, both accessing from ES, being an ES resident, and all, breaching the ToS of restricted territory. As such, Razer's explanation and Rollbit's verdict on that thread also apply on this one, that you accessed from restricted country and being in a clear violation of a clause of their terms of service.

Though I understand that this is not the verdict you wished to be, it's unfortunately what applies. Thus, just like the above thread, I'll have to mark this one as resolved too.

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August 08, 2024, 11:01:52 AM
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Well you are covering a scam case, nice for you and your mind, I'll continue to expose this behaviour of rollbit, thats so easy to make money for them, also the case I don't think it's the same of the OP that u mention so don't apply the same, I've been with rollbit since March, what happens rollbit system doesn't work until August? Pls stop trying to make me to accept this scam decission, you get comission holy?

So come to my page, try to win money and the moment u won the money sorry restricted, but if I lose 3-4 months straigh money WELCOME SPAIN bettor.
Also you probably are from rollbit too and want to say that.
I'll expose all of you scammers if you don't release my withdraw, don't think that scam me 5k will be free.
BTW I don't think an international judge will accept this behaviour from a site, maybe my money won't be back, but for Rollbit there will be consecuences.

So if in TOS says you can f*** my mom it says in the TOS, so sorry it says in the TOS.

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So come to my page, try to win money and the moment u won the money sorry restricted, but if I lose 3-4 months straigh money WELCOME SPAIN bettor.
Also you probably are from rollbit too and want to say that.
I'll expose all of you scammers if you don't release my withdraw, don't think that scam me 5k will be free.
BTW I don't think an international judge will accept this behaviour from a site, maybe my money won't be back, but for Rollbit there will be consecuences.

So if in TOS says you can f*** my mom it says in the TOS, so sorry it says in the TOS.



Rollbit never have any notes that they allow Spain bettor but I do agree that they should at least restrict Spain users to access the website using default Spain IP as restrictions since they are just relying on the ToS restrictions while we all know that only few reads it during registration.

But sadly, rules is rules. All the information is available to their casino ToS. It’s very hard to argue your case unless they just add Spain right after you register. If you can provide the screenshots of ToS (before and after) then maybe you have a chance to recover something here.

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August 08, 2024, 06:50:48 PM
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Well you are covering a scam case, nice for you and your mind, I'll continue to expose this behaviour of rollbit, thats so easy to make money for them, also the case I don't think it's the same of the OP that u mention so don't apply the same, I've been with rollbit since March, what happens rollbit system doesn't work until August? Pls stop trying to make me to accept this scam decission, you get comission holy?

So come to my page, try to win money and the moment u won the money sorry restricted, but if I lose 3-4 months straigh money WELCOME SPAIN bettor.
Also you probably are from rollbit too and want to say that.
I'll expose all of you scammers if you don't release my withdraw, don't think that scam me 5k will be free.
BTW I don't think an international judge will accept this behaviour from a site, maybe my money won't be back, but for Rollbit there will be consecuences.

So if in TOS says you can f*** my mom it says in the TOS, so sorry it says in the TOS.



I am trying to resolve scam cases and disputes, not covering them, they're two complete different things. And no, I don't get commission in any form from Rollbit. As always, anyone is free to try and prove that I am on any casino's pocket. It'll be a waste of time, though, because I am not. Still, you're more than free to pursue the theory and prove it here if you want to, it's your time, after all.

Your case is the same with the one I referred previously, you both are a Spanish resident, Spain is a restricted territory on their ToS. Accessing Rollbit from these territories is a violation of the terms agreed.


Rollbit never have any notes that they allow Spain bettor but I do agree that they should at least restrict Spain users to access the website using default Spain IP as restrictions since they are just relying on the ToS restrictions while we all know that only few reads it during registration.

But sadly, rules is rules. All the information is available to their casino ToS. It’s very hard to argue your case unless they just add Spain right after you register. If you can provide the screenshots of ToS (before and after) then maybe you have a chance to recover something here.

OP should get a pop up saying he's accessing from restricted country as shown below,



And regarding adding Spain after OP register, I can explain in long words about how it's rather irrelevant and won't mean much, but let me get the topic addressed and doubt casted off by providing the requested screenshot instead.

Me being me, roaming and haunting the scam accusation boards, means I have several screenshots of ToS from time to time, as I usually take a new screenshot for new case instead of recycled what I already have on my gallery. I believe if I dig way further on my gallery, I'll find older screenshot with territory list, but this one should suffice:



OP is a member from... March 2024? The screenshot above [please pay attention to the timestamp on the upper left, I deliberately screenshoted the screenshot to show the date] was made for a case back in October 2023, it shows Spain already part of the restricted country.

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Well you are covering a scam case, nice for you and your mind, I'll continue to expose this behaviour of rollbit, thats so easy to make money for them, also the case I don't think it's the same of the OP that u mention so don't apply the same, I've been with rollbit since March, what happens rollbit system doesn't work until August? Pls stop trying to make me to accept this scam decission, you get comission holy?

So come to my page, try to win money and the moment u won the money sorry restricted, but if I lose 3-4 months straigh money WELCOME SPAIN bettor.
Also you probably are from rollbit too and want to say that.
I'll expose all of you scammers if you don't release my withdraw, don't think that scam me 5k will be free.
BTW I don't think an international judge will accept this behaviour from a site, maybe my money won't be back, but for Rollbit there will be consecuences.

So if in TOS says you can f*** my mom it says in the TOS, so sorry it says in the TOS.



I am trying to resolve scam cases and disputes, not covering them, they're two complete different things. And no, I don't get commission in any form from Rollbit. As always, anyone is free to try and prove that I am on any casino's pocket. It'll be a waste of time, though, because I am not. Still, you're more than free to pursue the theory and prove it here if you want to, it's your time, after all.

Your case is the same with the one I referred previously, you both are a Spanish resident, Spain is a restricted territory on their ToS. Accessing Rollbit from these territories is a violation of the terms agreed.


Rollbit never have any notes that they allow Spain bettor but I do agree that they should at least restrict Spain users to access the website using default Spain IP as restrictions since they are just relying on the ToS restrictions while we all know that only few reads it during registration.

But sadly, rules is rules. All the information is available to their casino ToS. It’s very hard to argue your case unless they just add Spain right after you register. If you can provide the screenshots of ToS (before and after) then maybe you have a chance to recover something here.

OP should get a pop up saying he's accessing from restricted country as shown below,



And regarding adding Spain after OP register, I can explain in long words about how it's rather irrelevant and won't mean much, but let me get the topic addressed and doubt casted off by providing the requested screenshot instead.

Me being me, roaming and haunting the scam accusation boards, means I have several screenshots of ToS from time to time, as I usually take a new screenshot for new case instead of recycled what I already have on my gallery. I believe if I dig way further on my gallery, I'll find older screenshot with territory list, but this one should suffice:



OP is a member from... March 2024? The screenshot above [please pay attention to the timestamp on the upper left, I deliberately screenshoted the screenshot to show the date] was made for a case back in October 2023, it shows Spain already part of the restricted country.
Unfortunately I agree with you on this case. Don’t even acknowledge the being paid. I get that all the time. To prove that I don’t get paid by anyone I decided not to bump my thread for at least two months. Also, I won’t even mention the names anywhere of top books for a while. I’m doing this as proof of an accusation. After two months or so I’ll go back to normal programming.

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August 08, 2024, 11:23:01 PM
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Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.



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Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.




It’s awful that Rollbit allows you to play with a VPN and then steals your money when you win. This is part of the reason that they are a bad casino. The same goes for other casinos using this tactic to steal money. If you abused bonuses or circumvented limits, then they are in the right to take money. You gained no advantage using a VPN. Some may use a VPN 24/7. If they don’t want VPN use, then block VPNs.

I shouldn’t have said that I agree with Rollbit. It would have been better to say that this is the normal action taken by Rollbit.

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I'm not sure if was Rating or Holydarknes that can contact Razor but if you can, can you ask Razor about this behaviour that I experienced?
Like I told before, If I was ban the first moment they knew I was from Spain I would agree with them,but I've been a loser and I was more than welcome,but when I'm profitable you don't pay me? Cmone Rollbit... you can do it better.

Also I've read a topic about a Belgium guy that also got ban but at the end Rollbit released hes withdrawal, I have faith in Rollbit still.
Also a spanish streamer happened the same as me and finally Rollbit did pay him too(maybe because he has more reach than me?).

I promise if they release my withdrawal requested before the ban I'll delete all mentioned and have good words for Rollbit, I'm the first one who wants to end this asap, you know I've always like Rollbit.

meanwhile I'm already contacting with Spanish casino influencers so they can help me to reach the max people about this.
I'm already working on hyper visual videos that I'll post on a website and share it via all internet, If I need to pay a server to have bots in ytb, x.com etc. to constantly remember the people my experience, I'll pay it, servers cost me 20$ a month, it's OK.

I hate doing this, It's work for me and waste my time to get my money xd, I prefer to invest my time in other stuff, but 5K are 5K my boys, and if they fck me I can guarantee that somehow Rollbit will remember that Spaniard that got 5k scammed.

Luckly in my professional experience I've been working with all kind of bots and I can be a fcker too, for this I'm 100% sure that's all planned in the past and a business manager and engineer did the Trello task so well.

That's no hate for Rollbit, I'm just sharing my experience LOL, would be hate if I was lying.

So I'll just wait for compliance team response, I have faith in compliance team and Rollbit, thanks for the replies mates.

Have a good day.
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August 09, 2024, 10:21:15 AM
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Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.

Annddd.... we're entering the classic scenario of "what if he, what is she, what if they", namely: what if you're winning here and they allow your withdrawal, like perhaps the first three to four withdrawal, you'll be ok with that? Let's move further, you keep winning and able to make withdrawals, will you ever complained about their Spain ToS? Though you're basically illegally accessing their platform?

You asked us to stop talking about ToS, but the root of the problem here is ToS. You're asking the impossible here.

The burden to read ToS and the restricted countries [every casino has this clause of restricted territories, so a seasoned online gambler will know such thing exist and will check them on the first place] fell on the shoulder of the player. They're the one who acknowledge, affirm, accept, attest, and other confirmative synonyms of agreeing the clauses on their terms. This is the root of your problem: you attest that you've read the ToS upon using their service, while you evidently didn't read their restricted territory clause. It's there for you to read, they require you to be certain that you've read them prior to accessing the site, they even add an extra layer of security by having a pop-up stating people are accessing from restricted territory when they do so.

If your concern is that they shouldn't allow Spanish resident to access the site on the first place, at all, aside from the pop up as shown above [I'll really appreciate if you can give us an insight whether that pop up appeared during your previous visit and you choose to close them or what], I was assured that [I guess from the many cases happens so far], they decide to place other, more drastic, preventive measure, that they'll go with what Stake do, namely require the basic KYC upon registration. Not sure if it's already been implemented or they're in process of it, as I haven't try them myself.

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August 09, 2024, 10:43:16 AM
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Okey I get the TOS but, how can you defend that they let me play for months(I was a loser those months, losing all literaly) until I was profitable?
So Rollbit doesn't accept profitable Spanish players, but loser Spanish players are welcome, please show me that in TOS and defend it.

You guys all time are telling me TOS TOS TOS, and I say yes, but defend that behaviour from Rollbit, they select what players from restricted countries are allowed? only losers?

Why don't you mention that what is happening to me was a Trello task that they programmed to get money from losers restricted players and don't pay profitable ones?

Stop talking about TOS, we all can read Spain is restricted, start talking about this dark behaviour from Rollbit.

You know if they ban me the first time they know I was from Spain I wouldn't say anything, but after I don't know maybe 120 days and start to be profitable vs Rollbit, they detected I'm from Spain, what a coincidence =D

They can have this automated but they prefer this behaviour, and If you say they can't and bla bla I'll send you a script in whatever language is the Rollbit app made for detect and block restricted countries, so that doesn't
happen again =D

And if you answer with it's TOS, you are agree with me that Rollbit has this dark behaviour.

I'm preparing a website and videos about this behaviour of Rollbit, so people can be aware.

Have a good day, this 5k won't be free.

Annddd.... we're entering the classic scenario of "what if he, what is she, what if they", namely: what if you're winning here and they allow your withdrawal, like perhaps the first three to four withdrawal, you'll be ok with that? Let's move further, you keep winning and able to make withdrawals, will you ever complained about their Spain ToS? Though you're basically illegally accessing their platform?

You asked us to stop talking about ToS, but the root of the problem here is ToS. You're asking the impossible here.

The burden to read ToS and the restricted countries [every casino has this clause of restricted territories, so a seasoned online gambler will know such thing exist and will check them on the first place] fell on the shoulder of the player. They're the one who acknowledge, affirm, accept, attest, and other confirmative synonyms of agreeing the clauses on their terms. This is the root of your problem: you attest that you've read the ToS upon using their service, while you evidently didn't read their restricted territory clause. It's there for you to read, they require you to be certain that you've read them prior to accessing the site, they even add an extra layer of security by having a pop-up stating people are accessing from restricted territory when they do so.

If your concern is that they shouldn't allow Spanish resident to access the site on the first place, at all, aside from the pop up as shown above [I'll really appreciate if you can give us an insight whether that pop up appeared during your previous visit and you choose to close them or what], I was assured that [I guess from the many cases happens so far], they decide to place other, more drastic, preventive measure, that they'll go with what Stake do, namely require the basic KYC upon registration. Not sure if it's already been implemented or they're in process of it, as I haven't try them myself.


Ye holy you don't talk about the dark behaviour of Rollbit, so you are agreeing this dark behaviour, thanks.
I don't get why you keep saying TOS TOS, yes I've read Spain is restricted, now you are happy? Let's move to the dark behaviour of Rollbit.
Please don't say they're in process to do like Stake, I can do that in 3 days, they have engineers 100k/year please, I'm not stupid.
That's like leaving a gun in a table and put a cartel saying "don't touch it", you have faith no one will never touch it? It's not better to simply don't put the gun in the table? Please stop this stupid replies.

Could you ask to Razor about I've been a loser and never got KYC(if I was a loser all my life, I would be a VIP member Rollbit) and after 4 months and become profitable they KYC and now ban or doesn't interest to ask him this? If not It's ok, it's all said, emails sent and I'm preparing big things too.

Now let's see you reply again saying TOS TOS is your bad, more times you say TOS you are defending more this dark behaviour.

I'm a bit tired of watching screenshots of restricted country spain and TOS TOS, if replies doesn't say anything new, I'll just reply here when compliance team replies me.

I believe you guys are here to help player, and not to favour casino and get a comission of it, so thanks all for your effort in my case, I'll update it here when compliance team replies me.

Have a good day



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Just recived the reply from compliance, they say the same TOS TOS, but they didn't answer or mention anything about their dark behaviour, be ready scammers I'm gonna fuck your site.

Anyone that happened the same as me can contact me and send me proves that rollbit are scammers so I can add it to the report(for the moment I'll do an individual report, if I recive more proves we can do a collective report), videos and website.
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Just recived the reply from compliance, they say the same TOS TOS, but they didn't answer or mention anything about their dark behaviour, be ready scammers I'm gonna fuck your site.

Anyone that happened the same as me can contact me and send me proves that rollbit are scammers so I can add it to the report(for the moment I'll do an individual report, if I recive more proves we can do a collective report), videos and website.

There’s zero chance to win against them this way since they have the ToS backing their decision with your case. Allowing you to get your money will open up this loophole which restricted players can play ignorant with the ToS then play dumb once they are caught since Rollbit will just refund funds.

Their reputation is rock solid here due to their good track record for helping forum member with legitimate case. I think you can ask them for some reconsideration and give you part of your profit as compensation.

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Just recived the reply from compliance, they say the same TOS TOS, but they didn't answer or mention anything about their dark behaviour, be ready scammers I'm gonna fuck your site.

Anyone that happened the same as me can contact me and send me proves that rollbit are scammers so I can add it to the report(for the moment I'll do an individual report, if I recive more proves we can do a collective report), videos and website.

There’s zero chance to win against them this way since they have the ToS backing their decision with your case. Allowing you to get your money will open up this loophole which restricted players can play ignorant with the ToS then play dumb once they are caught since Rollbit will just refund funds.

Their reputation is rock solid here due to their good track record for helping forum member with legitimate case. I think you can ask them for some reconsideration and give you part of your profit as compensation.

I've sent an email about the reconsideration, but I don't think we will agree they told me "final decision", what a headache man.

I guess Rollbit doesn't want to explain to DGOJ this behaviour of let spanish players lose for +120 days and the moment I'm profitable they don't let me withdraw and insta-ban,Rollbit are the first one who let spanish players play their website.

I'm thinking to open a casino like Rollbit and apply the same rules as Rollbit, I mean easy money.

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