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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BRO] Coin Sale 1st phase ended | PoB | Poker Celebrities | Fantasy Sports on: December 02, 2014, 06:14:58 AM
Appreciate the trust placed in us.  We are not going anywhere...

Sorry about the lack of updates but that does not mean we are not working behind the scene.

Will have an update for you soon, I am sure.

Thank you for babysitting us. As you can see, altcoiners are a bunch of nervous nellies who need constant reassurance.


Haha. I have always thought that too. I sort of refer to this forum as for the ultra paranoid. If you don't give constant daily updates then the fear and fud sets in. The thing with highly volatile investment portfolio's is that it's not for the faint of heart.

Checking in every week or so does me fine.
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BRO] Breakout Coin Genesis Sale | Proof-of-Bergstake | Poker | Fantasy on: November 20, 2014, 09:28:27 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT

Hello everyone, thanks to everyone who participated in the coin sale or our discussion.  We will be available until the close of the sale for Q & A.  In the meantime, we wll try to answer all the previous questions that have been recently posted.

We are considering raising the BRO per BTC to 5000 for anyone that was sitting on the fence.  This would also effect buyers that bought below 5000 (there were not many), they would get a bump up to 5000 also.  


Do not be so greedy, it will damage the reputation of the project. Keep your word and do not change the rules in the end of the game.

Awesome working prototype. Nice to see you're on the ball before the first ICO ends.

I agree - raising the price to 5000 is only going to make people angry. I for one could have put my btc to good use when the price was up - however a good portion of it was invested in this ICO. You're basically slapping me in the face and telling me that I could have waited until after the ICO after all?

Not a good marketing strategy in my opinion - keep to your word, it will be more reputable Smiley

Anyways looking good so far, nice to hear an announcement so soon.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BRO] Breakout Coin Genesis Sale | Proof-of-Bergstake | Poker | Fantasy on: November 19, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
But the idea itself is amazing , it's why i invested , this isn't just a coin for a simple quick deposit , this is a crypto currency that has been made specifically for the most popular use that crypto currency currently has, with a very expensive and well made online casino. The chance of longevity and an opportunity to have a completely 100% passive income of doing nothing and sitting on your ass with your wallet open to earn money every day. for years and years to come. It has life long earning potential .

Yes.  The idea of Bergstake is so powerful for a couple of reasons.  The first is the one mentioned above. The second is they created a "sticky" community.  Even if everyone that invested in the ICO sells their coins, we have the Bergstake forever.  As long as Breakoutgaming is ongoing, everyone of us will forever have an interest in this project.  None of us will ever say, "I dumped my coins so I have no interest anymore, good luck bagholders Grin".  Similar to what Bitshares did with Angelshares (Best crypto investment I made so far), I have an interest in Bitshares and Breakoutgaming for life now.  I love projects that let me lock up my interest for the long-term because 5-10 years out is when we are going to see the real returns.

This is why I wouldn't mind another 4 or 5 day coin sale after some gaming demo releases, not only to raise more funds, but to give more people the chance to buy Genesis BRO + Bergstake, thus growing this "sticky" community.

As usual, the greedy, nutcases, running amok...
Question: How is this entire project now, one day  before the ICO closes, any closer to actually happen than a month ago? Not even half the minimum required to launch has been collected... A re-sale, with nothing new (a working ready-for-testing platform) on the table, at the current or even higher price? You have got to be kidding... I mean, you can be deluded as much as you want to be but everyone that ever wanted to know about this project already does. Everyone with actual money to invest, that is. And, unless there are significant changes (like a working, ready-for-testing platform), no one will put a single cent more on this project. Not a 3000/1btc, not at 6600/1btc. Not at ANY price.
Once again, my suggestion: Do it right. Start from scratch again... but with a product (a working, ready-for-testing platform) to back all the claims of the project. Forget about the peculiar concept of "fair" and start thinking "business". Then you will have something that people will invest in. I know I will. Many others too. And if some of the "children" are not happy because they believe it is "unfair", just refund their money and that will make it as fair as it can be. Very sim-ple... if you have a product to sell. Otherwise, you are selling, on a very fancy way, a nice lot of front beach property in Arizona.

That's called "Venture Risk".

When Wall Street Journal reporter asked Mr. Liew, of Lightspeed VC firm if it’s risky to put money into LedgerX's pre-launch whose business model is centered on getting government approval in a sector that has gotten none. Mr. Liew replied: “It’s venture risk,” . “It’s possible that it doesn’t work out, but you find the people who have the best possible chance to do it."

You already know this project has much better chances of reaching top MarketCap spots than any other project out there, that's why you're sticking around.

Fronting a Poker face may do you well when playing BreakoutGames, but not when offering low balling suggestions to these Devs though.


As usual. you are just blinded by your own greed.

Let's make it clear for others -since you are out of reach completely-" I have been here since day one, supporting this idea that I consider is great, launched at the worst possible time and without anything solid (a working platform) that can support it. Without that my support remains just testimonial for I won't invest in beach property in Arizona. Not many, at this point in the crypto game -as obviated by the results- do. Contrary to your extremely short thinking capability, EVEN with a decent test-ready platform, the success of the coin launch is far from guaranteed, mostly due to the extreme scarcity of available funds in crypto at the moment.

That out of the way, I made a suggestion because this, in case you still refuse to see it, is a train wreck, a project that will NOT happen.

There's no "private sale" possible. That is simply an euphemism for the BG team to keep the 8.3 million coins + bergstake and paying themselves for it, an INSTAMINE of gigantic proportions, you get that? And no matter where you put it of what you show in lieu of a working platform, and even if you do show one, No one is going to pay more than double the price it was given to the first investors, deal with that reality because it is crashing hard upon you.

What I suggested is a potential solution that I am convinced will provide the minimal result required and maybe even more than that. Doing things right instead of this mess. You don't offer any real alternative and what you pretend to pass for an alternative -which would require the approval of BTER, not an easy feat by any means-, will materialize very quickly in another terrible failure for, again, no one is going to pay for this -in significant amounts-- more than double what others did. But I may be wrong and you may be right, I just think no one is going to be crazy enough or capable even to test your "idea" while mine is easily done and can be tested in one week's time... if the platform is ready.

I "stick around" a lot of coins, some I am invested in some I am not. Currently as I have stated many times, I only have a testimonial interest in BRO. And I would like for it to be successful for, I repeat, I believe it is a great idea. But, in the current state, it simply won't. And it won't either if they were to try your outrageous approach, in my opinion, of course.

Oh and in case you keep on forgetting, a LOT of NOTHING is just as much as NOTHING of NOTHING. Take a moment or two to digest that.


You're a funny guy Barabbas...

First you spread FUD and call out BRO team for zero transparency, most likely to scare people from obtaining more BRO in the beginning of the ICO:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=808648.msg9105589#msg9105589

Then once the ICO price started to rise and leave you behind, you want BRO team to restart the ICO so you can buy more coins at the absolute best rate possible. I hate to break it to you, but as Blue_Wave & others said, it's too late to restart the ICO now; most investors will simply walk away. Furthermore, your "idea" of issuing refunds is far from being "easily done" since many investors don't have access to BTC addresses where they sent their BTC from (ie. funds sent from BTC wallets on exchanges)

Running a coin sale is obviously not MY idea, BRO team already stated that to raise more funds to reach 700 btc & distribute more Genesis BRO + Bergstake:

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
Hello Breakout Community.  The previous announcement post was for discussion of proposed ideas.  Breakout Coin Team will implement the following changes after listening to feedback from the community.
A.  Elimination of the PoW stage and the 7 million coins that would cause dilution of the market over a two yr period.
B.  Bergstake to begin from day one, allowing Bergstake owners ability to earn block rewards from day one.
C.  Increasing the pool of BRO coins in the "coin sale" from 5.5 million to 10 million.
D.  Approx 700 btc goal for initial phase
E.  If the total amount of btc raised falls short of the proposed 700 btc amount, we will raise the remaining amount through a "private" sale.
F.  Once the 700 btc criteria is met, the "coin sale" will end.
G. Remaining coins will be sold at a later date to be announced by Breakout Coin on this forum.
.....


I just proposed that they should first release game demos to attract more PR & build more investor confidence, before launching a 5 day coin Sale, preferably hosted by an exchange like BTER or BITTREX, to attract more investors. (Eventhough I trust my funds with BRO team, much more than with those exchanges)



First of all I am not just funny, I am brilliant! And if you catch me on pay-per-view, I am downright hilarious.... But that's besides the point: You got it all wrong, as usual. First, I never, ever, FUD. Nor lie. Ever. Second, I demand transparency from every coin I am interested in, not just BRO. And, since my handle is quite public and I host both THE WALL OF SHAME and THE WALL OF HONOR, I always post any conflicting interest. I know this kind of honesty is completely impossible to understand to you but it does exist. And I practice it. I leave the clumsy and pretty inefficient attempts nat manipulating to you and other greedy bastards like you blind like stones, alright?

The second part of your post, I have been proposing the release of a testing platform since the start. Obviously none is available although one was promised it would be delivered long before this date. Without it I would have to assume than not even you would pretend that making any offer on any exchange would produce results any more positive than the paltry ones we have as of now. I might be wrong and you may actually be proposing such unbelievably absurd thing... for such is the nature of the individual.

Apologies to others to be a bit snappy but you would understand it gets to a point where diplomacy simply takes a back seat.


A quick glimpse at your post history shows that you're hated by all coin communities that you plagued with your parasitic FUD.
I didn't read much into it when someone said in previous pages that FUDing coins is your full-time job but now I totally believe them:

barabbas is here trying to tell the devs what to do as usual... I wouldn't listen to a word this guy has to say , look at his track record he goes from thread to thread spreading fud or havoc lol literally his day job, vericoin ..pinkcoin.. he's well known in most bct threads.

anyway good luck the project seems great! very big bummer barabbas is in here gonna drive people away while he tries to manipulate and destroy this brand new community Wink

Just because you feel the urge to be "right" all the time, it doesn't mean that you should parade your thoughts and feelings with such impulsiveness.

I have no choice but to join the voices in this thread calling for your ban, because your negativity is just not healthy for this community.


I completely agree.

The negativity from barabbas is more than unhealthy it is verging on the psychotic. And yes I fully understand what that term means which is why I use it in that context.

If the questions I had asked were not fully backed up with enough substance for me to be sure enough to invest then I would Fuck off. I wouldn't invest and I would let them get on with it.

Sadly, barabbas feels the need to make all our decisions for us; of course what in gods earth would we know about anything? We are only silly stupid morons that really need saving from ourselves.

I would be willing to debate with barabbas on a healthy level but unfortunately there is no take on his behalf - there is only his correct opinion; and when I come to that assumption his credibility flies out the window like his brain did many years ago. I have sat here and watch this arsehole FUD a coin to death and even then he stays with the thread, throwing his shit.

Please please please ban him. I have invested quite a lot of btc in this project and I don't want to see my investment devalued in any way because of him.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards - Nominate an Individual! on: November 14, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
I nominate Kingscrown - the developer of Exclusive coin.

Not only is he actively engaged with his community but he keeps on time with his promises and scheduled actions.

Website: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=771755.0;topicseen
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BRO] Breakout Coin Genesis Sale | Proof-of-Bergstake | Poker | Fantasy on: November 12, 2014, 11:02:48 PM
It is just a very poor, unfortunate decision by the dev team that, obviously, will not work. It has ZERO chance to work.

The dev team simply tried the impossible, which is to please everyone instead of doing the proper thing which was the initial plan of letting the market itself determine the price. This is going to be a mess in the end, I'm afraid.


What does working mean?  You are assuming that Breakoutcoin is like all the other scam alternative projects that need bitcointalk to stay alive. Breakoutcoin should be less reliant on Bitcointalk then just about any other alternative crypto project. I would hope David Hanlon and the rest of the Breakoutgaming team isn't relying on Bitcointalk for the necessary funding.  FFS, he was the Chief Operating Officer of the Rio Hotel Casino.  How could they not have alternative funding sources outside of this sewer of a forum?

Barabbas, I would agree with you 100% if I thought this offering was the only funding source, but this project has too many well known players for me to believe that's the case.

Barrabbas likes to smell his own farts. I've only ever seen him FUD a coin; never sits on a thread to give any worthwhile support. You see, this coin is too big of a player to take heed of his attempts at gaining cheap BRO - you didn't invest, tough shit. And like the JakeThePanda said: this Forum isn't the centre of the universe.

Oh, and take it from a person that's been sat here biting his tongue for weeks on several other threads - Barabbas is in it for the long run. He'll be here spouting crap and spreading fear as long as this thread exists, or he's deleted.

... I also hate the fact that he's made me acknowledge him once again!!
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: ANN GryfX Alts Options Market Release October 1st - GryfenCoin, Shares, Broker on: November 10, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
Site still going. Working on major upgrade.   We have the ability to send and receive gryfencoin right now.  VPN...sure, why not.  And you can deposit, and buy GryfenCoins.

Come on you guys - I know you are hard working, but we'd love some feedback! I know of many plans and things you are working on, but I'm the only one ;p

We'd ♥ some feedback on the exchange, the option trading, the game aspect, the earning real altcoin aspect and even some confirmation about the 'bug' that many mintings in the wallet do not sync. I have some updates on that though... Bottleneck seems to be hard drive. I can safely rule out RAM & CPU on my new rig. But when many wallets are synchronizing their blockchain, it seems that Gryfen wallet.dat times out (somewhere) and cannot write / confirm the successful mint. Of course, if low on RAM the hard disk kicks in too (swap file) and I think the same holds true if the CPU is maxed out. But again, I can now safely rule those two out.

Love ya'!

Devvie  Kiss
twitter.com/devnullius

I have been with these guys from day 1 and I think their ideas have been quite fantastic.

However they've been slow to implement them - and I still only have the singular option on the options market. I have lost faith in this coin over the last three weeks - haven't even staked my wallet since then.

If they were to continually update us on their ideas, things they're working on et al it might be a bit more easier to take. Because as for now I know I have x amount of Gryfencoin with no price to value it by. More updates would be awesome!
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which cryptocurrencys are the best to invest in for the future? on: November 06, 2014, 10:13:43 PM
I recommend Exclusive coin. Developer is by far the most active and focused I've seen; the coin is also backed by a goods market. It's an awesome coin!

8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 30, 2014, 11:06:51 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.0

Was just reading Blocknet's information and ITO offering.

Kingscrown, would this be a good idea to jump on the bandwagon with this idea? I don't know much about the technology that underpins cryptocurrency so I am unsure if this would be feasible, but from what they say integration could increase awareness and adoption which would increase the price.

Just a suggestion, any thoughts?
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] VidioShare| Video/Music Sharing Platform | Mock version 👻 | Launchkey on: October 30, 2014, 12:27:23 PM


Is this another Demo platform? why does it say login or register? surely the dev would have an account at least

Youtube is the same.

You don't need an account to watch videos.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] VidioShare| Video/Music Sharing Platform | Mock version 👻 | Launchkey on: October 30, 2014, 08:28:17 AM


Wow.

Very nice Smiley
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 30, 2014, 08:25:43 AM
mayb we should do community action and just buy out all cheap stuff one day? miners cant drop more than 17k a day [if every miner dropped] so.. if theres enough of us here we could totally push it where we want


PS dev write items have shipping included on main page - seems people are not used to that Smiley
I can throw 2 or 3 BTCs at it

I'm in.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 29, 2014, 01:11:24 AM
Someone is definitely trying their hardest to keep the price down.

Every time I buy high, someone sells for peanuts. Very frustrating!
yes but it is not very many coins just keep buying the price will equal out i am sure it must be a miner,It is not worth the time if they are selling cheaper it is their loss your gain later.And from the looks of it it is still staying in the 18 to 1900"s.Those trying to buy at 1200's i am sure that they will never gain any coins at that price unless someone wants to lose money so eventually they will start buying at the going market if they want this coin

K,

That's a good point.

A buying I will go! Smiley
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 29, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
Okay.

I can definitely clarify that there is someone purposely trying to keep the price down on bittrex. I have been playing cat and mouse with them for the last two hours just to see what happens. It's intelligent and not a bot because there were a whole lot of traps laid out for me.

Is there a way we can join as a community to get past this bullshit? It's seriously frustrating considering the developer and coin are awesome.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 28, 2014, 11:53:27 PM
Someone is definitely trying their hardest to keep the price down.

Every time I buy high, someone sells for peanuts. Very frustrating!
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [MNE] Munne丨POS 丨POD丨New Wallet丨Strong Marketing丨Open Tuesday 23.00 GMT丨 on: October 28, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
How many total coins do we have?
I believe it was around 4.7 million coins sold in the ICO but I could be wrong

You can use our site, it's easier  Wink

http://comunne.com/tools

Oooo.

I've signed up to this. Will give it a shot Smiley
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] VidioShare| Video/Music Sharing Platform | Mock version 👻 | Launchkey on: October 28, 2014, 06:08:06 PM
Righ now I'm having lunch with Nerio (dev) ,

I will do a post about it as soon as I get home.

Cheers

This is awesome.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 27, 2014, 10:34:12 PM
Yes.. another buying opportunity

Yea, but not altogether, you can split your buying and accumulate slowly.


I have been doing this over the last week lol.
Just buying as much as I can with what I mine in btc Smiley

Hope this coin takes off.. Looks nice Cheesy

+1

Sadly there seems to be one or two people quite happily keeping the price down.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] VidioShare| Video/Music Sharing Platform | Mock version 👻 | Launchkey on: October 27, 2014, 10:33:26 PM

Thank you for this as well. All news is needed to so more people can learn about VIdioShare Smiley

~Susan

I feel these are going to be massive.

Just bought a ton of coins Cheesy
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Exclusive Coin - 4 Exchange,Market/Outlet LIVE, Multipool, PRICE GOING UP! on: October 26, 2014, 09:35:33 AM
im buying lets kill this bittrex dumper and move along to 2500 and then futher, seems hes gettign out of coins now

+1

The more I buy, the less they have to dump Smiley
20  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 25, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
1st: Why is Vod so much interested in getting back squall's money? Are you getting some share from it?

2nd: Does someone wants to bet on whether dank will return squall's money this year? Odds: Yes : 10x No: 1.3x

Vod is a shill, as is buffer.  No one spends that much energy on someone for no reason, they've been at it for years.

Why is Vod so much interested in getting back squall's money? Are you getting some share from it?
I'm guessing it's more the fact dank strolls around the forum like nothing has happened. Even having the gall to request more loans! Just to add insult, he preaches about greed.



It makes quite a bit of sense to share what I know with the bitcoin community, because bitcoin carries a very real threat of throwing humanity further into financial enslavement.  Look at the distribution of wealth with bitcoin.  It is no better than the dollar.  All it does is tie people to a system dependent on machines.
So your intentions here are to weaken or destroy bitcoin?
Or are you just sulking because you flushed all yours down the toilet?

I just forgive the past.  I'm still going to get what is his back to him.  I'm not going to let it bring me down for a couple years.  Shit happens.

I never was one to worry.  It will work out.  Try faith my friends.  Align your intentions for the universe and conscious expansion and life will take care of you.

My intentions are to bring world peace.  Bitcoin is has helped but will not bring world peace.  World peace takes unity, not division.  World peace takes compassion, not judgement.  World peace may only come after humanity releases our lust for greed.

If we all used our earnings from bitcoin to create a new free society, we would find more material and spiritual abundance.  You would be happier, a little bit of faith can go a long way.

Besides, who needs money when you can go to heaven every night and create worlds with your mind?  Sounds like a pretty fair trade-off.

A few things:

1) Try faith?  I agree.  But Jesus advised having faith the size of a "mustard seed"; mustard seeds are tiny but can grow.  Faith shouldn't be primary.

2) "If we all used our bitcoin earnings..."  What's with this "we" business?  You don't have any bitcoin earnings.  It must be nice to tell everyone else what sacrifices they should make without being capable or willing to make the same sacrifices yourself.

3) Who needs money?  Apparently you do in order to accomplish your dream.  Why not just go to bed and create the music festival in your mind if you have the ability?  If conjuring worlds and music festivals in your mind is so significant, why do you need the money?

Of course, faith only allows one to expand their beliefs.  Understanding, believing, is the key.

We is what we need.  Oneness.  Unity.  It's never I or you, what we do effects everybody on this planet.  We are humans, we are brothers, are we not in this together?

And I could have tens of thousands of dollars had I not consumed all my bitcoin earnings to find and spread the truth, I got into bitcoin in 2011 and I knew it would get big.

And I've actually considered just flying to a remote location and manifesting a giant stage with my mind.  I'm not at that level of consciousness yet and part of me would prefer to see humanity just come together and make it happen as one.

Wouldn't that be nice?  Humans working together for the greater good?

Referring to the bolded selection, this is where you need some education on the topic.  Despite the fact that I agree with you that we are all interdependent, this does not make individuality non-existent.  The issue is that you can have simultaneous circumstances that exist despite their apparent contrariness.  Yes, we are all in this together at the same time that, no, we are not.  The differences are as real as the similarities and common ground we all share.  The problem is you leave no room for individuality when you spout your beliefs, and in doing so remove any practical substance from the conversation.  

You're exactly right, "the time is not yet right" as you mention in your response to My Name Was Taken.  If that's the case, then consider it isn't yet the right time to catalyze Universal, spiritual change within the off-topic section of a Bitcoin forum.

Also, I bet the rest of the world would not only be *much* more interested, but would flock to your festival by the *tens or hundreds* of millions if you manifested a music stage with your mind.

Heh, I should probably be able to manifest a cheeseburger before going for that route.  Haven't really considered it deeply.

We need to be individuals off course, individuality is something that is much needed in society, but we shouldn't work against each other solely amounting destruction.  If we team together, we can both have the universe, it doesn't matter who you are.

See? This is where I call bullshit. I refer to the writing in bold.

Working together isn't just something that *happens* over a course of time. It takes hard, dedicated work and a lot of give and take from all parties involved. It also involves people having a high moralistic outlook and transparency within the unity in which they are working within be that a small group or the entire world. We are literally centuries away from this, maybe millennia. You only need look around you to see Governments swaying, people fighting, killing and god knows what.

You do realise this right? I do hope I'm not talking to some stoner who thinks because he can dream up something whilst smashed he can compare himself to the likes of Albert Einstein as a pivotal thinker.
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