I changed mine above to reflect real money lost. I never successfully had any money paid back to me, but about $5,500 previously calculated was my rolled back "earnings" which never existed anyway. Those of you who have submitted numbers above, please make sure your number is correct as to how much money you actually sent them from your own funds less profits. Do not simply put your account balance, as that is a fictitious number anyway.

Haha!  We are obviously wasting our time arguing about the use of a word that we are never going to agree about. You think greed is wanting anything more than communism would provide for. I think greed only deals with taking "more than you need" so other people can't have it.


Back to work guys! To redefine Atlas Shrugged: "Who is John Carley?"

So everyone human being that drives a "new" car is greedy? Anyone that has a TV bigger than 32" is greedy? Any woman that gets a manicure is greedy? Those things are certainly beyond basic survival and comfort. I certainly have no desire for status or power. The only desire I have for "wealth" is just to be able to retire some day in an average sized home and not have to rely on my government or anybody else to take care of me or my family. Does that make me greedy?

That is exactly why I said that his opinion earlier was certainly warranted. His comments now are him and others like him being the asshole.

And what is it with everyone using the word "greed"? Greed is when you go to the pot luck at Thanksgiving and take all of the macaroni and cheese before anyone else gets any. What does it have to do with somebody trying to make money off of an investment. Selfishness (greed) has nothing to do with why somebody would make a risky gamble. If you are making a risky gamble with somebody else's money, that is greed. Using your own can be stupid, unwise, risky, crazy, whatever. You are using greed wrong.
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I have to disagree. Greed is what incites you to take the risky gamble in the first place. You take all of the information, weigh it, and decide whether or not it is a good or bad risk, and you roll the dice. Hell, I bet there is a doctorate in Game Theory in here somewhere about playing HYIPs. I'd even argue that when you do all of the work ahead of time, it goes from being a simple gamble to a calculated risk, which is a very different beast. Greed is what motivates those steps.


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Greed is the act of doing "selfish" things to try to attain something in gluttonous excess of what you need. Someone trying to "play the market" per se and gamble with something to help them achieve something is not in and of itself greed at all. Trying to make money by ethical and moral means (not stealing) could never be considered greed. That would be no different than saying that someone who works overtime is greedy. Maybe the people that invested are desperate to make enough money to take care of their family, and their government/taxation/freedom/etc are too repressive for them to have a chance through investing money in a .01% annual return savings account, and they already work 80 hours a week. Are they greedy by taking a chance on a risky investment because it has a fairly long history of great returns? You can call them crazy, you can call them naïve, or wishful thinker, but greedy I think is the wrong term. Even someone who is well off and decides to put money in a scheme like this. Maybe he met some people who have been doing this a while who have had lots of communication with the high up people in the company. Maybe there are still some people that believe that honesty can still happen in this world, and they are willing to take a chance on the human race now and then. Call them dreamers all you want, living in a fantasy world or whatever, still has nothing to do with greed.

Yes, and I was right that Americans were fools for re-electing Barack Ebola. After the fact doesn't matter. Their ranting on this forum before the crisis were not always appreciated by some, but were certainly warranted and helpful for many. Their gloating and prodding now are simply self aggrandizing. Don't feed the animals... haha!

That is exactly why I said that his opinion earlier was certainly warranted. His comments now are him and others like him being the asshole.

And what is it with everyone using the word "greed"? Greed is when you go to the pot luck at Thanksgiving and take all of the macaroni and cheese before anyone else gets any. What does it have to do with somebody trying to make money off of an investment. Selfishness (greed) has nothing to do with why somebody would make a risky gamble. If you are making a risky gamble with somebody else's money, that is greed. Using your own can be stupid, unwise, risky, crazy, whatever. You are using greed wrong.

Great summary cmine. Thanks for this!

Good enough for me! As long as they don't get to enjoy my money then I have accomplished something.

Not upset. Just trying to turn this thread into something productive.

Haha! Dude you are a sad individual. I hope you enjoy your life of trolling forums that have nothing to do with you.

I joined today because now the thread can do some actual good for people who lost money they couldn't afford to lose. Whether it was their ignorance, not listening to random online strangers like yourself, greed, hope in the possibility that there might be an investment that isn't crooked, whatever, it doesn't matter. It is done now. This crash doesn't affect my life nearly as badly as it does many others, so I am simply here to offer my support to those who want to go after the crooks. You are here to try to make people feel bad. You might want to look inward and reexamine what it is that you offer humanity. Your warning others of your gut feelings was certainly warranted. Your prodding dead corpses after the fact shows that you probably are trying to make up for a lack of much in your pants...  

I know there is a lot of chatter on the Facebook "member page" for BT. There are a lot of people who do not use Facebook, plus it is terrible to try to follow communication on there, jumping between the different threads. Those of you who are on both might post some links to this forum and ask them to move it over here so we can all join forces. Not everyone uses Facebook, but joining this forum is simple.

I agree. Let's stick to actual money lost. The number we should be looking at is the amount of money you physically sent to them minus any money you were able to withdrawal.

Joystickj = $31,588

Regardless, people invested and lost. I suggest that those that have no stake in this or have no specific information to help us track down our funds / punish those involved should be so kind as to leave this forum. Not sure why you are here at this point actually. Nothing to see here, move along. Find another forum to warn folks about the next Zombie Apocalypse.

updated:

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $37k
Casimir1904 = $25k
Karsten Holland = $8760

Add on folks. Let's see the total for this forum group

Sounds like that weekend could have been a perfect storm of withdrawal requests, perhaps due to the low BTC price at the time, and that was as good a time as any to jump ship.

BTW, the timing of this may have partially been caused by my first "withdrawal request"... I had consistently rolled over my earnings back into shares. The Saturday before the stoppage is when I put in for my first Bitcoin withdrawal. I was really just testing it more than anything. The timing was interesting. If I really was the biggest investor/gambler, and "John Carley" thought I was done investing and ready to start withdrawing, then it could have been a bugout trigger for him.  

Just curious, any other big investors in here?

You beat a friend of mine. Only $36k.
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Would that friend be from Oklahoma?

I guess I should join this discussion since I am possibly the biggest loser of all of you on this deal... My balance was about $37,000. I had $31,588 that I have actually invested (lost). I knew the risk going in and this is certainly not going to bankrupt me as I used "house money" from my previous Bitcoin gains to play with here. I will be monitoring this forum and will be willing to put in my share if we end up having to hire investigators/attorneys/knee breakers. I am a big fan of punishing criminals... Wouldn't mind recovering some money to if that ends up being possible.