bitcoin-trader.biz

[Puppet]

Whats the matter dyask, afraid they will come after your ponzi profits?

If you have any, you probably should be. Some reading for you:

On March 3, 2014, I announced the filing of a lawsuit to obtain the return of the money paid out to net winners in the ZeekRewards scheme in excess of the amount they paid into RVG. In that lawsuit, Kenneth D. Bell v. Todd Disner, et al., Civil Action No. 3:14-cv-91, I made claims against more than 10 of ZeekRewards' largest "net winners" in the United States asking that the Court order them to repay the net winnings they received from the scheme. I also made class action claims against approximately 9,400 ZeekRewards net winners in the United States who each won more than $1,000.

http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

[dyask]

Whats the matter dyask, afraid they will come after your ponzi profits?

If you have any, you probably should be. Some reading for you:

On March 3, 2014, I announced the filing of a lawsuit to obtain the return of the money paid out to net winners in the ZeekRewards scheme in excess of the amount they paid into RVG. In that lawsuit, Kenneth D. Bell v. Todd Disner, et al., Civil Action No. 3:14-cv-91, I made claims against more than 10 of ZeekRewards' largest "net winners" in the United States asking that the Court order them to repay the net winnings they received from the scheme. I also made class action claims against approximately 9,400 ZeekRewards net winners in the United States who each won more than $1,000.

http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

I don't have any fear for the following reasons:
 1) I'm not in the USA.
 2) I never invested in bitcoin-trader.biz.
 3) You clowns are just blowing smoke to scare people for some strange sadistic pleasure.
 4) Your lawsuit hasn't resulted in anything yet.  

There have been literally hundreds of failed HYIPs around the globe.  Where are all the successful lawsuits?   In the US apparently anyone can sue over anything.  Doesn't mean anything.  Well maybe it means there are too many lawyers there.    

EDIT: ZeekRewards was also massive compared to this silly HYIP.  They also used the US mail system.  There might be laws against using mail for fraud, not sure about that.   ZeekRewards also had lawyers, figures.

[sunny1]

Whats the matter dyask, afraid they will come after your ponzi profits?

If you have any, you probably should be. Some reading for you:

On March 3, 2014, I announced the filing of a lawsuit to obtain the return of the money paid out to net winners in the ZeekRewards scheme in excess of the amount they paid into RVG. In that lawsuit, Kenneth D. Bell v. Todd Disner, et al., Civil Action No. 3:14-cv-91, I made claims against more than 10 of ZeekRewards' largest "net winners" in the United States asking that the Court order them to repay the net winnings they received from the scheme. I also made class action claims against approximately 9,400 ZeekRewards net winners in the United States who each won more than $1,000.

http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

I don't have any free for the following reasons:
 1) I'm not in the USA.
 2) I never invested in bitcoin-trader.biz.
 3) You clowns are just blowing smoke to scare people for some strange sadistic pleasure.
 4) You lawsuit hasn't resulted in anything yet.   

There have been literally hundreds of failed HYIPs around the globe.  Where are all the successful lawsuits?   In the US apparently anyone can sue over anything.  Doesn't mean anything.  Well maybe it means there are too many lawyers there.   

I agree dyask. Secondly we must not forget that even if the feds (or whoever) get the database, which is very unlikely, most people registered with nicknames or pseudonyms, like I did myself.

[Puppet]

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

And if you bothered to check the list you would have seen that while the gross majority is from the US, the receivership are suing net winners all over the world. And that certainly does matter if you have any plans to ever travel there.

Now Zeek was run from the US, and its the SEC that stepped in and a US receiver filing in US court etc. I dont think its clear yet where BT was run from, but legislation about ponzi's isnt that different in most civilized counties.

[sunny1]

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

And if you bothered to check the list you would have seen that while the gross majority is from the US, the receivership are suing net winners all over the world. And that certainly does matter if you have any plans to ever travel there.

Now Zeek was run from the US, and its the SEC that stepped in and a US receiver filing in US court etc. I dont think its clear yet where BT was run from, but legislation about ponzi's isnt that different in most civilized counties.

Whatever, you still need a name, country and address to sue. My username in BT was Einstein, country Afghanistan (since that is the first in the list by default), no city, no street address. I deposited only with BTC and all my proceeds are mixed. Have fun, feds

[Puppet]

Sounds like you are proud you profited from this scam and from the fact you might get away from it. No different than the people who ran it. Lets hope they can trace your IP.

[Centaurus]

In this list are the losses.
ML= Money Lost; MS = Money Sent; MR = Money Recovered
ML = MS - MR

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $37k
Casimir1904 = $25k
jimmad13 = $24k
timothyvail = $20k
varChar = $14.5k
pawlo74 = $12k
c0c0 = $10k
Karsten Holland = $8760
tonyca = $5964.1
Centaurus = $5k
justGotConned (Jeebs007) = $4.1k
tuktukracer = $3k
rhader = $2.7k
proximator = $2.4K
Attie707 = $2k
aerensoy = $2k
ranlo = $1.8k
Forgaria = 1578$
zwickl = $1.3k
btloser = $1280
tywe = $1,230.95
puma1888 = $1.2k
Digicoinz = $1.1k
Mr_River_x = $0.9K
Cassey = $500

[sunny1]

Sounds like you are proud you profited from this scam and from the fact you might get away from it. No different than the people who ran it. Lets hope they can trace your IP.

VPN my friend. One that is operating according to EU Privacy laws = no logs. Also it is paid in bitcoins for.

[btcexpert]

Hi guys,
I just discovered that expertbtc.com looks very similar to bitcoin-trader.biz webpage. Are they re-starting their scam business? I don't know.
I have a domain that is btcexpert.com and we are known on btcjam as BTCExpert but we are not involved in this scam site (expertbtc.com).
Thanks

[pawlo74]

Hi guys,
I just discovered that expertbtc.com looks very similar to bitcoin-trader.biz webpage. Are they re-starting their scam business? I don't know.
I have a domain that is btcexpert.com and we are known on btcjam as BTCExpert but we are not involved in this scam site (expertbtc.com).
Thanks

Another one and almost identical. John Carley welcome back !

No words 

[fingertoe11]

Hi guys,
I just discovered that expertbtc.com looks very similar to bitcoin-trader.biz webpage. Are they re-starting their scam business? I don't know.
I have a domain that is btcexpert.com and we are known on btcjam as BTCExpert but we are not involved in this scam site (expertbtc.com).
Thanks

Shadowscripts punches out these HYIP scams like a rubber stamp.  If you see one that looks like Bitcoin-trader, the fingerprint is probably that of the HYIP industry, not the fingerprint of John Carley..   These things pop up every day, and the more successful ones are always imitated by a plethora of copycats. 

[pawlo74]

Hi guys,
I just discovered that expertbtc.com looks very similar to bitcoin-trader.biz webpage. Are they re-starting their scam business? I don't know.
I have a domain that is btcexpert.com and we are known on btcjam as BTCExpert but we are not involved in this scam site (expertbtc.com).
Thanks

Shadowscripts punches out these HYIP scams like a rubber stamp.  If you see one that looks like Bitcoin-trader, the fingerprint is probably that of the HYIP industry, not the fingerprint of John Carley..   These things pop up every day, and the more successful ones are always imitated by a plethora of copycats. 

I'm not saying i'm 100% right, but either way, it would be a long drawn out process, IF they get caught at all.

so until then, let's see what happens.

If they are Russians, like most HYIP operators, it is very unlikely that they got ever caught and charged. They know how to hide their asses and Russia is notorious for not investigate such crimes.

Every day things gets more visible and clear  Thanks

I got into this because I though Bitcoin Foundation recommends BT, silly me.

That's funny because they probably going to ban virtual currencies soon so we will see  but the other hand if those scams run by (...) we won't see

[californiaquail]

Their template looks like it was ripped it of from an old chinese website.

http://web.archive.org/web/20141008024919/https://bitcoin-trader.biz/

[c0c0]

 

What we need is a PI to track these down and get some of our money back!

[fingertoe11]

Sunny, can you explain what was the pre launch like? Where and how was it marketed? How did you find out about the project? (Cold contacted by this promoter?)

I haven't found any trace of a pre launch online (nothing on this forum and I can't find any other discussions about it) and as illinois says. . . it sounds like a HYIP, even if they don't market themselves as such. . .you can't escape the fact that they are giving the same returns as an admitted HYIP (The Russian site).

I hope you'll forgive the suspicion. .  . but you only have 3 posts all of which are in this thread. 

Yeah I know. I was looking for a place where BT is publicly discussed and this one is the only I found. The pre launch was by invitation only and apart from the promoters each participant was only allowed to invite one more person to get familiar with the system, making testnet deposits and withdrawals etc. It was not a cold contact, I am on the mailing list of my upline since a few years and he invited me to join some great and profitable PAMM accounts in the past.

Sunny1  would you be willing to turn over the nature of this private invite channel to investigators?

[joystickj]

In this list are the losses.
ML= Money Lost; MS = Money Sent; MR = Money Recovered
ML = MS - MR

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $31.5k
Casimir1904 = $25k
jimmad13 = $24k
timothyvail = $20k
varChar = $14.5k
pawlo74 = $12k
c0c0 = $10k
Karsten Holland = $8760
tonyca = $5964.1
Centaurus = $5k
justGotConned (Jeebs007) = $4.1k
tuktukracer = $3k
rhader = $2.7k
proximator = $2.4K
Attie707 = $2k
aerensoy = $2k
ranlo = $1.8k
Forgaria = 1578$
zwickl = $1.3k
btloser = $1280
tywe = $1,230.95
puma1888 = $1.2k
Digicoinz = $1.1k
Mr_River_x = $0.9K
Cassey = $500

I changed mine above to reflect real money lost. I never successfully had any money paid back to me, but about $5,500 previously calculated was my rolled back "earnings" which never existed anyway. Those of you who have submitted numbers above, please make sure your number is correct as to how much money you actually sent them from your own funds less profits. Do not simply put your account balance, as that is a fictitious number anyway.

[rammy2k2]

wow ... i see some1 put 40k 

[dyask]

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

And if you bothered to check the list you would have seen that while the gross majority is from the US, the receivership are suing net winners all over the world. And that certainly does matter if you have any plans to ever travel there.

Now Zeek was run from the US, and its the SEC that stepped in and a US receiver filing in US court etc. I dont think its clear yet where BT was run from, but legislation about ponzi's isnt that different in most civilized counties.

Now you are just sweating ... no easy lawsuits!   Even in Zeek's case, it seems to be a long ways away from actually collecting from winners.   It is just all FUD at this point. 

The focus on winners is just wrong and only motivated by more greed.  No way to fairly unwind a mess like that.   The focus should be going after the people that ran BT and acquiring their assets and paying out to the losers.   The problem here is that law firms will take the lion share of anything recovered from BT.   So the losers get ripped off twice.   That is why you see the vultures circling.   

[Marcchernandez]

Holy shit I'm glad I didnt put more money into that account

[pawlo74]

 

What we need is a PI to track these down and get some of our money back!