First is the building in the front, where DACPOL company has its office. Second building is where are we located exactly (building 27, as in our address). Building is in the back so it is easier to find if you are looking for the front ona (26).

Graphical explanation for all malcontents.




Nice try, but that is not me.


Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN. I dont know will you understand this, but designer need to put some data while designing. SOME EXAMPLE DATA. Are you really so stupid?

BTW. Just for you, step by step tutorial how to pay using bank payment gateway, if you dont like bank logos.

1. Change currency to PLN.
2. Place an order.
3. Choose Transferuj.pl payment method.

DONE! you will be redirected to pament processing page. Satisfited?

We also have images like:



or:



which we may use in future if we want or nor. BUT WE ARE NOT USING IT AT THE MOMENT!!!

This is the difference.


Maybe you like spend money with no sense, just because you spending a lot anyway, but not me.

I know that makes you happy, so I'll ignore you. Probably you would not have the money to buy anything.

Yes, I can easly prove it, I will provide lot of data right ater new year.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.

I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.


Because we are not manufacturer. This is taken by external company.


Nope. This company works in integrated circuits and electronics business from 1980. They really know what are they doing.


Actually as i said before already, I expected this. But to be honest, thinking about this is one thing and face this in reality is another. I am more annoyed because of this, than I expected I will be.

Hello again.

I truly understand yours concerns. Again new company comes to bitcointalk and try to sell their pre-order. However I would like to defend myself a little bit.

At the beginning a will speak about general things.

I need to clarify something. We are NEW company, which means that we are NEW. This means also that our company was founded short time ago. The same with the domain. Just rethorical question: should we register our company and domain one year ago, and wait till now with announcment, just to avoid arguments like: "domain registered month ago..." or simillar? This would makes no sense.

As we are new we did not delivered yet any miners. It's obvious.

We do not have miner ready at the moment. That's why all images at the momen are CGI. This is obvious also. We are not hiding this. BTW. Please go to our product page and look at the title od main image. It's called EMIC PowerModule visualisation, and another is called drawing!!!

In conclusion I would like to ask couple more questions:

How it is possible, that "scammer" registered company?
How is it possible, that "scammer" opened bank accounts?
How is it possible, that "scammer" give all his personal details to interenet?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" has got real adress, and phone (in new year we will update phone with landline one).
How is it possible, that "scammer" rent office from really big company, gives it data and contact? This is very easy information to confirm or not.
How is it possible, that "scammer" allow to visit their office and meet the staff?

And coming in very near future (we are working on it):

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed and allow to pay using payment gateway? This is very difficult to get if you are not genuine.
How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Now I just wonder what else do you need to not call someone scammer.

Ok. Lets move on.


Sorry if I missed some messages. Please understand that we are just human, wa can make mistakes. This is not any proof, that we are scam or not.


In near future I will update this tread with detailed shedule for this project. I will include detailed specs, photos and any other resources, so keep your finger on the pulse.


This is visualistaion, as the image title on our website says.


1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company. And of course I was looking for employess. BTW. "pracuj.pl", which you linked has a very strict anti fraud, and anti phishing for personal information policy. So if you are not genuine company, they will not public your announcment. For me this argument works for us, not against us.

3. This is my personal email, but I need to explain something to you. If you want to register company in Poland you need to provide lot of informations and document about you including email adress to contact. I wanted to put all domain and serves costs into my company costs (which helps to decrease taxes i need to pay - it's obvious higher costs lower taxes). But to get an invoice for company I needed to have a comapny. So first I need to register company to give hosting company all company data. After registration i can create business emial like ofice@emic.com.pl. So during company registration i put my private email. I should update it later, but I forgot. Hm is this a crime? Or is this any proof that EMIC is scam? I dont think so. You all are looking for any reason even if this means nothing.


Yes, but why this is a problem? I register all my domains for 1 year. Is it something weird?

BTW. If you will dig into who.is, you will find, that to see all registrant data you should go to


And the data is:



Do not feel obligated to send you anything. If you do not want to buy, just do not buy.


It could be an option, but if we would be able to handle this, we had no need to sell our miners in pre-order basis.


Please, do not mislead people. Nowhere on our website we do not inform, that we are memeber of bitcoin foundation. You are a liar, not me.


Yes. These are pictures, that company who rent us office provide.

This company is called DACPOL Sp z o.o. http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna

Is it so hard to call them and ask are we really there? This is so easy to confirm. Oh I forgot, propably this company is not trusted as any other. I guess even goolge woldn't be enough in this case.


Did you ever read my first post here? If not I will quote here:


About bitcoin payment: You can pay in bitcoins, but you need to switch currency to bitcoin first!


Sorry for that. I will check this and we will correct all mistakes there. Thanks for information!


Sorry for that. I will check this and we will try to repair this as soon as possible. At the moment I cant recreate this issue.


Last words:

I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!

Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:


I prefer shorter messages. Nothing to say here. Useless one-liner. Absolute no arguments. Why scam? Because scam.

Just please tell me anyone. Why do you think that we are scam? What else should we do to incerase our value in your eyes? Sending test unit is an option of course. This is not so expensive device.


Completely rude and arrogant. I will not speak with anyone speaking such vulgar and agressive language. This is not my conversation level.

P.S. Interesting proposition. I will consider it.


And this is clearly another comment without any arguments.


I appreciate this comment, because it has some argument. At least you have read our website, but let me explain somethng.

In Poland Bitcoin is not regulated by any law. I is not a crime to avoid paying taxes using Bitcoin because there are no regulations for this (consulted with lawyer). So it is not a crime to do it and also to suggest this. Furthermore this option my be useful only for a few customers. It aplies only for customers from Poland because foreign customers are getting invoice with 0% VAT.


We are working at the project and the website as well for about 6 months. There may be some not actual data (but only in details!)


It's actually cash but not on delivery. You can pay in cash directly in our office for pre-order.


We've tested couple configurations. This one seems to work fine.


It depends on: where you buy, how much you buy, what you buy and couple other things. You can get very affordable price on almost every electronic equipment.

Please dont judge by the price you paying in your local eletronic store.


Please wait couple days... this is in progress. It's Christmas. Give us couple days.


ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.


Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.

Things ara going cheaper and more powerful in time. Would you think a year ago that a 5.5 TH/s miner will be available in stock for $2700?  Just answer the question, and think again. Is this really impossible?

I can tell you it is possible, and even more I'm sure this will happen in February.


Nope. They're for SHA256.


Yes! Visiting us in person is welcome. However we do not have ready device in Poland. It may tak some time to get first phisical working test unit in Poland. After Christmas I will try to update schedule for EMIC PowerModule development, and maybe upload some diagrams and other stuff.


And I of course hope opposite.


Yes. I understand and appreciate this. It's actually giving me personally even more energy to complete project in given deadline and within all specs.

At the same time, however, do not agree on the language and the way some of comments.

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.



A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/


Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center