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something to sell? or is this an pre-order???
6 BTC x 29 = 174 BTC for the lot of 29 Miners which are on hand and ready to sell as soon as our monthly hosting is over in about 2 weeks from now at Oregon mines. The buyer will either pick them up personally or they will cover the cost of shipping to the address of their choice. If you wanted to keep them hosted at Oregon mines that can be arranged with them as well. Kind regards. Wissam BTC TECH PTY LTD Managing Director |
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Exactly, if something like this happens you go there personally and get your items and all expenses you incurred you keep all receipts and sue them for it if you had to travel a distance to get your items.
Filing suit against a company does not mean much when they have no money or assets. It is hard to seize money and assets when the company has none, and that is after money for lawyers and once you win your suit. Basically you are better off saving your money on courts and lawyers and not filing suit. How can they not have your equipment? They can't sell it to cover their loses as it doesn't belong to them in the first place. Doesn't make sense at all. What we are paying for is a service to run our equipment, if the equipment is not returned back to us after a company goes bust then that means that company employees stole from the customer and hence will be fully liable for the equipment, clear cut case. Anyway I don't have a problem with them so far except the temps are running too hot due to the extreme hot weather but according to them they are working on that. |
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We'll get Oregon mines to send us pictures of the miners and we'll post them here. We'll arrange for oregon mines representative to comment on the forum that they received our miners.
Wissam
Just so you know, Oregon Mines is run by the same people who ran Minersource, including Matt Carson and his family. Minersource has done some extremely scammy things, and owes a lot of people money. Minersource owes me and my brother about $34k, for example, and they owe Bitmain and Black Arrow a lot of money too. They disappeared without warning, then created Oregon Mines instead. It might be too late, but I would suggest you do some more research on them before committing to hosting with them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065198.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976172.msg10946707#msg10946707They owe you guys $34K and you didn't get in your cars and pay them a personal visit?  For that money I'd be calling friends in high (and low) places and collecting on favors to pay those dbags a personal visit. Exactly, if something like this happens you go there personally and get your items and all expenses you incurred you keep all receipts and sue them for it if you had to travel a distance to get your items. |
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i might be interested in all of them at 150 btc delivered in the US. The problem i see id that there is new hardware announced and coming out like Bitmain S7 and the sfards 1.7 th with scrypt mining at less than 1000 watts. I understand if you cannot, will not affect me 1 bit. btw- escrow with a reputable person is a must-- other option is send by COD with UPS - they still have that service available.
cheers
6 BTC x 29 = 174 BTC for the lot IF we were going to sell. So if you are willing to pay that and wait until about mid next month when our monthly hosting is over then we maybe consider but nothing less than that is acceptable. |
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I'd be interested at 5BTC each incl delivery to a US datacenter of my own choice.
My offer still stands, I'll buy two at that price. No thanks. |
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That's all I needed to hear. I am no longer willing to provide escrow services for this sale. If Minersource is involved in any way, it is a scam.
I know that at least 10 of these miners exist and are owned by Wissam, since he hosted with us for a month. I know Centerus has those ten, and I've seen strong evidence indicating that they had another 19. I do not believe Wissam to be acting in bad faith. If a scam is occurring, I expect Wissam is going to be the victim of it. That said, OgNasty, I can respect your position. They are providing a hosting service, when they feel they can't provide the service due to any reason they can just ask people to collect their miners, I don't see what's the problem there. Their is enough evidence that they collected miners to be hosted and they are a registered company so at anytime any one can sue them if something is not right. BTC things that happened in the past a lot of people lost, I'm sure they were some too, now is the present and they have a co location facility give them the chance to build up. Matt Carson is an employee there he does not own the company from what I know. Wissam |
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Just looks like a stack of cardboard boxes to me with some wires for good measure. How do we know they're not empty?
We'll get Oregon mines to send us pictures of the miners and we'll post them here. We'll arrange for oregon mines representative to comment on the forum that they received our miners. Wissam |
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 Here is a picture of the miners being moved from CenterUS in Washington state to their new home Oregon Mining in Oregon just encase people think it's a scam. We will refer back to this post in the future if we decide to sell so people can see it's for real. Wissam Managing Director BTC TECH PTY LTD |
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 Screen shot of our hosting contract Miners will be going to be hosted at https://www.oregonmines.com once they are transferred soon they will not be available for sale anymore, so if you are in the WA area and want to see them and buy them this weekend you should act fast. The price is 170 BTC. To arrange payment and pick up private message us. If you want escrow you can use OGNasty escrow but you will have to cover all the extra cost, we will need to receive 170 BTC NET, so consider the added -4 BTC discount to help you with your escrow cost. Kind regards. Wissam Managing Director BTC TECH PTY LTD Miners to be picked up tomorrow to their new hosting home at Oregon mines so unfortunately they are not for sale anymore. If in the future we are to choose to sell them then we will post again. Again this was not a scam, and Oregon miners would attest to that when they receive them. Wissam Managing Director BTC TECH PTY LTD |
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Screen shot of our hosting contract Miners will be going to be hosted at https://www.oregonmines.com once they are transferred soon they will not be available for sale anymore, so if you are in the WA area and want to see them and buy them this weekend you should act fast. The price is 170 BTC. To arrange payment and pick up private message us. If you want escrow you can use OGNasty escrow but you will have to cover all the extra cost, we will need to receive 170 BTC NET, so consider the added -4 BTC discount to help you with your escrow cost. Kind regards. Wissam Managing Director BTC TECH PTY LTD |
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Screen shot of our hosting contract |
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I would have bought one for 6 BTC with delivery in the USA ) escrow?
We're happy to accept the sale however we will expect payment to arrive and once payment arrives then the hosting provider will transfer ownership to you. You will talk to them to arrange the shipping and the cost involved in shipping etc. Wissam Nobody will buy anything from you without escrow. The way you are trying to do this sale is unsafe and nobody is going to directly send you BTC before receiving goods. It just isn't going to happen. You might as well lock this thread and stop wasting everyone's time. The person buying will need to cover escrow cost then. We have never used such services before so we don't know how it works. |
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Can you provide pictures of all these miners along with a piece of paper with your username written on it along with the date. Getting that gut feeling over this one that something isnt right  Just about ready to hit the button -  I have the same feeling. I asked for escrow and/or to see miners in person. But he insists on payment upfront. Please use escrow everyone. Last we discussed you were going to see them in person. I told you send me an email listing the terms we agreed on and i'll forward those terms to Centerus and ask them to show you the miners, I didn't tell you to pay first without seeing them, go and re-read your messages. |
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I would have bought one for 6 BTC with delivery in the USA ) escrow?
We're happy to accept the sale however we will expect payment to arrive and once payment arrives then the hosting provider will transfer ownership to you. You will talk to them to arrange the shipping and the cost involved in shipping etc. Wissam |
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Are you offering escrow? (I would be happy to assist)
Does the 6 BTC include the cost of shipping in the US?
We need to receive 174 BTC in total and buyer needs to either pick them up or arrange shipping. We will link them up with the current hosting provider so they can discuss when and where they are picking up the miners from. Postage will be covered by the person buying. We are looking to sell all to 1 buyer if possible to avoid too much hassle. |
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People seem to want to buy the miners right now and they want to pay a lower price for them, so this is what we will do then.
- We will make the miners available for sale right now instead of July.
- 6.0 BTC each and no wait times, as soon as you pay the miner is yours and we will arrange with the hosting provider to arrange the contract change or to arrange pick up or postage etc.
- If you don't want to host with this hosting provider then you will need to pick up the miners yourself or arrange shipping yourself.
Let's get selling!
Wissam
Managing Director
BTC TECH PTY LTD
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what you like for one ?
7 BTC for 1 but we will only sell when all 29 of them are purchased. So if you are happy with 7 BTC let me know how many you want so we can reserve them for you. Private message me so we can arrange further. |
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Yeah 6-8 months after use and expecting 80% price zone, is not being realistic at all.
You wouldnt want to lower the price at all?
We said that we can do 6.5 BTC each for the lot of 29 miners if they stay with the current hosting provider. You can choose to take them to somewhere else but I don't know if you can find less hosting than $75 per KW/month, but you will have to arrange to pick them up or get them posted. So 6.5 BTC x 29 = 188.5 BTC net for all. Wissam |
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Well you can try and buy a brand new SP miner now if you like. Oh wait they don't sell them anymore... Besides they were not bought 1 year ago it's been since November so that's 7 months.
I would also like to buy a VW Polo 9N3, but they stopped making them in 2009 and nobody is asking the full price for a second hand car and nowhere near the full price of a new car so get real and lower the price. What I see here is that you haven't considered that the exchange rate may go down and you never prepared for this. It's your call if you want to still mine with them or to sell them and by the looks of it the miners will stay in your possession. Good luck! I fail to see how 6.5 BTC is not a good price. BTC rate will be going up as soon as the economy bubble crashes because that's when people get rid of their fiat and buy Gold, and this time besides gold there is BTC. Sit tight and hold on to your miners and don't sell for dirt cheap. Please no more arguing, this is the price and it's not coming down, either buy or ignore. Wissam |
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That is your opinion, if you find it cheaper elsewhere please go ahead and buy it else where. When we bought them we got them for $4500 each, so be happy that you are getting them for around $1800 or $1600 each if they buy the lot.
Actually you paid ~10 BTC and you want 8 BTC after more than 6-7 months of usage. Your calculation takes into account when USD rate was 475, so your argument is void. At current rate our purchase price would be 21 BTC, so 7 BTC is not a bad deal. We would consider 6.5 BTC if you continue hosting with our hosting provider which is cheap and charges a low $75 /KW/Month. Wissam And your assumption of 21 BTC is for the price that you paid for a brand new miner almost 1 year ago. Like every used thing the value deprecates so the real value now isn't $4500. When SP-Tech sold out the SP31 miners the price was $2k for a brand new miner, not used like yours so if we take the brand new miner price and we adjust it to the current exchange rate it is ~9BTC so your argument is useless*. So don't try to sell a used car with the a price that is higher than a new car.
*I am aware that converting a price from a few months ago to the current exchange rate is a bit strange, but I did it to show how wrong you are.Well you can try and buy a brand new SP miner now if you like. Oh wait they don't sell them anymore... Besides they were not bought 1 year ago it's been since November so that's 7 months. |
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