Hello, Guys! I am well acquainted with the sex industry and I know the problems that sex workers face.  After reading your White Paper I came to the conclusion that your project can seriously change the sex industry and has an extremely high development potential.  If I were you, I would start developing a platform in Asia, because the sex market there is more chaotic and more dangerous both for customers so for sex workers.

I would like to invest in your project 30BTC/350ETH and become a voluntary adviser to your project.

Please write me asap,  We will discuss some details.

Have a good day.

I find it cute that you think that I'm not an innovator and haven't actually designed and developed 3D printing technologies, and attempted to develop 2 failed startups during my undergraduate years; I know first hand what it takes to make a successful start-up, and the first thing (when it comes to actually building something) is money. You need money to make money, even if that's money that you need to physically avoid starvation, and as a person who is on the precipice of living on welfare/homeless shelters, it isn't something that innovation alone can't solve.

I've brainstormed systems that would figuratively strip mine the solar system in a century however where the hell am I going to get the money to develop such a system if I can't even afford to feed myself? Take a breath, think for a second and just realize that I'm not an incompetent ignoramus and this conversation isn't about me, 60% of my graduating class are still unemployed or not employed fields even remotely close to science/engineering, there are hundreds of linkedin groups filled with engineering graduates searching for work; any work at all.

This isn't a matter of running out of ideas, ideas are cheap. This is a matter of literally not having the financial infrastructure for new graduates to even conceive pursuing  developing ideas into successful start-ups without having rich parents keep you afloat while you do the pre-angel work.

Again, I find it funny how your ivory tower prevents you from understanding supply and demand of engineering jobs heh. I should clarify; I'm in talks right now for a job that will be paying me considerably more than I feel I deserve and most likely will get it, but it was literally just luck and knowing the right people that I was even considered over other more qualified people.

Before I found this position I was spending 8 hrs a day developing my online "brand", as for the past 6 months finding literally any engineering job internationally that was even remotely related to my work experience was getting me no where at all, and I was also working as a temp worker for a local agency doing promotional work in walmart for $11 dollars an hour which I wouldn't really consider to be high wages.

Just because the majority of engineers aren't humble doesn't mean we all aren't, I feel at this point like I deserve to make minimum wage even though I have an extremely wide array of skills, just because of how easy it is to outsource my skills to India for half of that, and I'm not out of that purgatory just yet as my papers aren't signed yet.

Have you read anything in this debate? There are Engineers, Lawyers; people that have professional degrees that cannot find work (myself included) because automation are reducing even the numbers of professionals needed for projects. This isn't something that just affects manual labour jobs (however it does definitely affect them more than high tech jobs), but everyone that actually relies on income to survive.

Are you a commodity trader? Your days are numbered, Investment Banker? Again you are going to be replaced by automated agents. Just because you don't see thinking robots replacing jobs in "meat space" doesn't mean that isn't going to happen for knowledge based professions.

Funnily enough I'm actually developing an ANN heirarchy to eventually (as my master plan of course) to create a universal commodity trading agent, which will hopefully kill speculators as a profession.

De-centralized power is nice when we aren't under threat.

Climate Change won't be solved by de-centralization of power, and if our alien neighbours decide its time to inhabit earth and get rid of the indigenous population I have a strong feeling that mom and pop who have their own 3D printers so they can make guns and robots in their house won't be able to stand up against existential threats.

For now, de-centralization is nice because it makes each individual worth more. But in the event that we need to work as one and we are all de-centralized, we're going to be obliterated. Take look at the city states of Europe before the Romans conquered them, and then imagine what would have happened if the Roman Legion suddenly invaded a historical European Union.

funny you should speak of 3D printers that can print metals and ceramics; in my second year of university I created a startup and seeked funding to build a prototype DMLS 3d printing device to be used for mass production, in the end we weren't able to get funding but the tech is viable and if I had the money I'd be able to do it today. Oh well

I view it a little differently from a government point of view, of course there would need to be strictly enforcible regulations on what a person can be compelled to do and what they cannot, fundamental human rights would remain intact obviously. However since a person who would be offering you a way out has an incentive for you to live a productive and healthy life via equity ownership it would be a similar endevor of a small business owner exchanging 75% stake ownership in his company to a venture capitalist, not every person would be considered investable, because VCs want a return on their investment of course. Both parties have incentives for the person in bondage to reach his full potential.

unfortunately you are right, you're essentially trading part of your freedom in exchange for food and economic stability in the face of extreme poverty and hardship, I know I'm not too proud to turn down such an option but I think my father might be.

Giant the thing is, this is something that a person isn't necessarily forced to do; I don't have to all of a sudden give all my shares to someone because its being enforced, however instead of the world using a debt based economy particularly for mortgages car loans etc, having an optional legal statute in place to allow a person to sell part ownership of his future earnings (and part of his freedom) in exchange for a product he may never be able to afford would be a reasonable idea.

Those shares of course could then be resold to companies/individuals that are dedicated to maximising individual potential (which is IMO virtuous) and could eventually be bought back by the individual who sold himself in the first place, similar to a highly regulated security.

for example (from the book):
1% of your person is given to the government as a form of taxes, 10% to your parents (by du jure but could be given back if desired), the remaining 89% is yours to keep until you desire high-school/university or are desperate for a job to survive.

Personally for the past 6 months I've been looking for work as an engineering graduate, and if there was an option of selling part ownership of my future earnings in exchange for not having to sleep on my 76 year old fathers couch for 5 months and essentially be a live-in nurse I would do it, albeit not overnight, but just having the option open I believe would make the vast majority of humanities quality of life increase dramatically. We would actually have a reason that wasn't derived from moral judgement to care about other people.

You're right about it being slavery, but the key thing at the end of the day is that the investor sells his shares (even at a loss), and if this poor African kid starts working hard and saving up his money he can eventually start to buy ownership take in himself, until eventually you could own all of your labours by saving and hard work, its similar to the Roman gladiatorial system but without the risk of death, and actually making it meritocratic and humane, which is something that I believe is more important.

The angel investor couldn't just sit around and hope he gets a job, since he spent all this money it's in the angel investors best interests to not only get this kid in the right school, but to also line up employment for him afterwords using his own track record as a referral for a particular position.

This type of system is the only way that I see for large investors to actually be any sort of benefit to the common man, as they would now have an actual reason to invest in people.
Also this is actually being done (to some degree) with sports car drivers and professional atheletes during their training stages, I've actually seen a dragon's den episode where a ~16 year old race car driver wanted to sell shares in his future earnings for promotion and training.

I personally view personal incorporation as a pretty valid successor to the current system. Take a read of the incorporated man / incorporated war book series, they aren't perfect but definitely better than capitalism/communism as it actually values each human being in a personal individual way, rather than based off of the chances and opportunities they have had access to throughout their lives.

IE: a poor african child in zambia has most of his shares purchased by an angel investor, and learns that this kid would be able to do some really great things if he went to school, so he pays for  highschool/university and in return expects an income from his future engineering work proportional to the share ownership in that person, and then that angel investor is also owned in part by other speculative investors (maybe his parents or his university) essentially fair, accountable and humane bondage.

I agree with the rest of your post, but the plot device for the actual ending of Elysium was most certainly deus ex machina 

A small bump, but for everyone who blatantly disagrees with the "We're rapidly losing permanent well paying jobs", I recommend you to watch this vice news series (not all is aired yet, just parts 1-3) and still come away with the same viewpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbqD6ARCGNE

Even if I was a wealthy person and felt bad for these people, how would I help them? donate to them? give them work cleaning my shoes? There is a problem here and it needs to be fixed, the market isn't going to be able to fix it by itself and that's becoming more and more obvious to me, unless you want to live in the world of Elysium where 99% of the worlds population lives in a dump and 1% lives on a space-station with extravagant wealth.

I disagree. Speculation is rampant, which creates boom-busts as the speculation value oscillates between above and below bitcoin's true value, this won't change in the foreseeable future.

That is, in comparison to the rest of the global economics "boom-bust" cycles.

The problem (eventually) will not be that we will not have all of our needs satisfied, it's that we will not have any instinctual reason to learn or do anything productive, which will slow down human development and through eventual evolution (unless we manage who gets to have kids through managed reproduction) we'll eventually split into a dualist race of cyborgs and "the rest", which will most likely devolve into people who just accept what their told and maximise their pleasure.

Although once we have extremely well developed VR games, it may not really big that big of a deal. Personally I actually really don't enjoy the possibility of people living their whole lives in VR, its quite depressing, although this does seem like the most likely future we're going to be walking into.

also bitfreak or anyone else interested, I just started a blog on neural nets (and job hunting, but mostly neural nets ) if anyones interested in having a conversation I'm all ears!

http://learningann.wordpress.com/

Interesting design, does it function well? It seems a tad bit simplistic in its parameters to function effectively but I could see it working given enough backdata and hidden neuron count.

I'm currently converting all of my members and functions into openCL kernels, as I've recently mastered (or mastered enough) openCL over the weekend and I plan on optimising the shit out of my algorithims. I have a plan on having a 3 layered network with 1 output each, however the first network will have something on the order of ~350 inputs and ~250 hidden neurons, so it could definitely get messy, however I'm confident my openCL design will still make short work of the computation time.

However this shit-storm with mtgox probably won't be able for any bot (that I can think of, at least) to be able to predict the mtgox price collapse, however I think I could get really close if I have multiple exchange data with trading bots running on all and communicating with each-other on an even higher tier neural net.

back again, it's been a crazy week. My foundation net is almost functioning perfectly but I think I need to tweak it for a few more hours to get the RMS per iteration to improve significantly.

I'm currently using a really interesting hybrid approach that I came up with, I order every individual 0 - popsize -1, and then based on that order put it into an expotential decaying function to determine if it's a parent or not. I then have an if statement in the reproduction function that takes the order of the individual as the parameter for another expotential decaying probability boolean, and then if it succeeds the genes of the parent are directly passed to the child (child = parent), I've worked it out so that theres only a probability of ~10% for the best of the generation but thats something that I'll be tweaking.

the rest of the reproductive system is all stoichastic, everything is probability based like parent selection, gene pairing, mutation, etc. I've done a few monte carlo simulations (IE I run a very large population iteration through and cout every if statement success). For a genetic algorithim I think this method is solid, but as a backup I also have a "shake" function, which does a single iteration of back propagation to every child before its tested for fitness. One thing that I'm worried about with my back propagation is that since my training regimen is "all in" (IE I run each individual through the entire training data and then average the RMS of the output errors), I run the risk of having a faulty backpropagation, since I'm averaging the values of my inputs with all of the possible values that input can have throughout the training data.

I think I might do a few tests without the back prop to see if that's the issue, and have a read in some of my textbooks to determine what the best way to incorporate back prop into a genetic algo is, I may have to change my training regimen to be stage based.

Also (I know your using built in libraries but you might know) how are you calculating normalized fitness? I'm currently taking the negative expotential of the average RMS over the training data times a lamda constant (IE fitness = e^(-lamda*avg_rms) for an individual and then dividing each individual fitness by the average fitness of the iteration, so I always have fitness values greater than 0, and their always "different" enough for the computer to recognize the differences.


I haven't gotten to the point yet of testing my network on real data, I'm still testing with an XOR table, but since I'm writing this from scratch I feel that I'll be able to reach the goal of a real bitcoin forcast/profit maker soon, once my foundation is finished everything should be (knock on wood) as easy as using a library.

I'd recommend you pick up some light reading on theory, for any incredibly complex system like the bitcoin market its possible to forcast market conditions with only 1 network, however holy crap is it unadvised to use only 1 just because of the absolute mountain of neurons + training data you'll have to sift through to get any meaningful forcasts, which means that each iteration of your network is going to take an obscenely large amount of time for little gain.
Also your bot being able to pick out trends, is it autoassociative and unsupervised? Those are the best net designs for trend spotting.

Interesting! I do like your format of the connection system, I'm currently using a significantly more unwieldly series of if statements to generate the number of weights and to designate the design and layout of the network (I'm making assumptions that aren't really what should be done for a foundation library), what's your current method of error reduction? Are you using back propegation? Genetics?

I'm currently using genetics with an extensive RNG factor for essentially everything including gene splicing. I haven't yet begun work on transforming my weight values into grey code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code if you want a refresher) to minimise the generation cycle length just yet. I'm also strongly considering transforming my currently 100% genetic algorithm into a hybrid with a single backpropegation step after the creation of each child.

I haven't yet sat down and decided on exactly what kind of structure I want to train, but I'm strongly considering the large heirarchical multi network specialist strategy when it comes to trading. I plan on having 1 autoassoicative network to decide what the trend is, then for each kind of trend that the network decides is unique, a new specialist recurrent network designed to work in that specific regime. The only problem I can see with that are the boundary states between each "trend", but I think thats an issue that can be solved with a strong autoassociative network training regime for the top tier network.

With regards to open source, I'm personally not against open source in the slightest; I haven't used any open source code  (besides the boost:: library) myself but I can definitely imagine it being helpful and I would love to help others, but right now I have a 76 year old unemployed father who I'm taking care of and I'd like to make enough money so I don't have to choose between myself and him. Hopefully when this project is complete I won't have to worry ahah, sorry for spilling out all my personal life in a tech thread