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So you're penalising miners who leave at any time of the round?
This is the idea... stable / full time miners will win extra i have no problems to be a stable miner and i have see others stable. All the percents can be fixed to be ok for all what can i say... |
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Greee, still waiting on reward method details - "use cases" don't really allow miners to predict what they should be paid.
Any ETA on the details?
I have describe it here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112243.msg1253931#msg1253931 ) I have restore the system to old format without this hooping-proof formula... a lot of ppl make noise so i use the prop system without this formula. I did read that Greee, I just think it's a bit light on details. 1. Miner hashrate reduces to zero: Shares are devalued linearly so that every minute a miner is disconnected 0.1*(original shares) are lost so that after ten minutes the shares have devalued completely. After five minutes only 50% of the shares are left. However, you add: Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 ) If you have 1000 shares and you lose 500, surely that's only 50% returned? Unless you're saying that if a miner returns to mine more, more shares will be returned? If it's the latter case, can you post the parameters? What percentage is returned after how long? There are 3 cases: Case 1 >> Lets say user/miner has stop mining. We check his last share and if 1 minute pass and no new share is submitted we will reduce his current shares by 10% so if he have 1000 shares he will lose 10% every minute and after 10 minutes he will lose all his share. Case 2 >> User drop down his speed by 90% so he want to cheat Case 1 and he still mining but at very low speed. ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH = 90% , so we check his speed every 10 minutes at this interval speed can drop and we can read it easy. IF he drop to 0 from 100 GH "Case 1" take actions. Here will lose 50% of his shares every time he drop his speed by 90% ( 1000 shares / remains 500 shares , and if he continue dropping slowly after 10 minutes loses another 50% , 500 shares to 250 shares etc.. ) Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes after his last share was submitted ( when Case 1 take action ). He will get back 80% percent of his lost shares. Case 1 >> 10 minutes pass he lose all shares so he will get back 80% of 1000 = 800 shares. Case 1 >> Lets say pass only 7 minutes or lower he already lost 700 shares but he still have 300 shares remaining. So in this case he will get back 300 ( his remaining shares ) + 80% of 700 lost shares ( 700 * 0.8 = 560 shares ) = 300 + 560 = 860 shares will have in total... of 1000 = he lost 140 shares because he not mine 7 minutes. |
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System and shares , restored.
Congrats - here's hoping you find it sooner rather than later  This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.
Fast Description.
Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )
Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.
Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.
Just so you know, this method is basically slush's method, still hoppable, just not as hoppable as straight proportional. Ok its still hoppable but its a minimum , a little risky for hoppers they lose , i`m thinking to perfect it and check theirs internet connection to see if it`s UP or DOWN so then i will know what will be the reason why they left. |
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Greee, still waiting on reward method details - "use cases" don't really allow miners to predict what they should be paid.
Any ETA on the details?
I have describe it here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112243.msg1253931#msg1253931 ) I have restore the system to old format without this hooping-proof formula... a lot of ppl make noise so i use the prop system without this formula. I should close the pool and fix it all... but i have patience , i keep my word and try to prove that i`m a honest guy. In time i`l come with the right and best formula for full miners. |
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Greee, still waiting on reward method details - "use cases" don't really allow miners to predict what they should be paid.
Any ETA on the details?
I have describe it here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112243.msg1253931#msg1253931 ) I have restore the system to old format without this hooping-proof formula... a lot of ppl make noise so i use the prop system without this formula. |
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System and shares , restored.
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It`s a logic system i`l restore the users shares but you will lose all your shares if you don`t mine. It doesn't work this way. They mined with the contract of a proportional reward. Changing the contract now is fraud. You seem to be under the impression that pool hopping is an exploit. It's really not - it's just ratoinal miner behaviour with proportional contracts. The problem isn't the hopping, it's the reward system being unfair. Proportional means the pool pays above market rates for blocks found in the first 50% shares, and pays below market rates for blocks found in the last 50% shares. For an analogy, this would be like a fast food restaurant paying you much more during on-peak hours, and paying less than minimum wage during off-peak hours. What you're doing is saying "yes, you worked on-peak when we agreed to pay $50/hr; but now nobody wants to work off-peak for 50 cents per hour, so we're just not going to pay you". Luke-Jr you right , i have a big respect for you. Thanks. I`l restore to old system till first block found. |
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This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.
Fast Description.
Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )
Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.
Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.
if this is what you have chosen as a paymethod going forward, that is your choice. I wont waste my hashing power on your pool. This method does not take into account user that has extended internet blackout. I could spend hundreds of dollars on electricity and get paid nothing... no thanks I`l gladly respect that , if you have internet problems or power... i can`t recommend you to mine its for full time miners , my rig mine for last full month without any interruptions so i`m stable. LOL, yes and i have not been under 50gig for more then a few minutes in 6 months.. not counting the power blackout that lasted 16 hours.... good luck then if your going to be that stubborn. you can pay me pps for the shares i mined already. It`s a logic system i`l restore the users shares but you will lose all your shares if you don`t mine. |
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This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.
Fast Description.
Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )
Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.
Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.
if this is what you have chosen as a paymethod going forward, that is your choice. I wont waste my hashing power on your pool. This method does not take into account user that has extended internet blackout. I could spend hundreds of dollars on electricity and get paid nothing... no thanks I`l gladly respect that , if you have internet problems or power... i can`t recommend you to mine its for full time miners , my rig mine for last full month without any interruptions so i`m stable. |
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This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.
Fast Description.
Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )
Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.
Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.
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Hmm, I'm thinking scammer tag might be warranted here. I wasn't really going to advocate for that, but given the ops reluctance honor the agreement he made with his miners when he started the pool and now his inability or unwillingness to provide any sort of "proof" for this hopper proof method smells like a giant scam at this point. I wonder if we solved a block and he pocketed the 50 coins now. I didn't bother looking at the blockchain around that time... may be worth investigating.
In either case, he's scammed me out of 1.3 millions shares at this point, possibly even ~50 BTC.
Calm down , i`m sick or you i have told you all your shares are HERE just wait a few minute to write the formula so you can understand it, and then you can decide what you will do if you will mine or not. |
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jjiimm_64 after il present the formula you can let me know if there is a bug or something or what i need to fix , what was my first post reply?
"New hooping prof fell free to test it" i never said Pool reset or something.
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No, you can not make changes in the middle of a round if you expect people to trust you. You offered a pool with a set of parameters which I agreed to mine on. If you want to change your parameters, you wait until AFTER the round is over. You don't change it after I've already given you my hashes.
What's to stop you from doing that to others in the future? Nothing, because you have no integrity. You've demonstrated the fact that you can and will take away users shares for any reason you see fit and not pay them for it. You have zero integrity at this point and you continue to compound your problem. You will never have a successful pool with that sort of mind set.
Please get lost Inaba. I have no fees and i have no reason to steel or something like that i just love this , i have money / servers i just love to work and create so please get lost with your ideas , i will protect full time miners not hoopers like you. I will repeat myself i will GLADLY restore your shares if you will continue mining.So your pool is all about the blackmail? New proposal: Greee must either: -Pay Inaba the expected value of the shares he submitted (no, I don't mean PPS, I'm sure organofcorti can provide us with the average expected value of said shares when mined on a prop pool). Or: -Switch back to the old payout system and restore Inaba's sharecount, then switch to the new payout method at the end of the round. Or: -Get a scammer tag. Shadow383 is the same payout system and prop, but he have some hoopers proof rules, that i will fully explain in a few moments. i`m not stupid to steal or something lol , i just install some hooping proofs. Thank you  in a few moments. |
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Please respond to the following use case:
I mine at your pool with my 4 gig rig
my 4 gigs is 10% of pool
we mine for 4 days and I have about 100k shares and 10% of the pool shares
my hard drive crashes, rig is down.
what happens to all my work?
edit: or better yet
I mine with all of my 54gig
i mine for 4 days and i am 50% of pool (jtfr 260 usd of electricity)
my internet goes offline for extended period of time
what happens to my work?
please respond to the above scenarios jjiimm_64 i have all users shares backup and i can restore it in a few sec , i just want to explain the hooping prof formula so you can all understand it before i restore your shares and what are the risks if you not mine anymore. Thank you. |
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No, you can not make changes in the middle of a round if you expect people to trust you. You offered a pool with a set of parameters which I agreed to mine on. If you want to change your parameters, you wait until AFTER the round is over. You don't change it after I've already given you my hashes.
What's to stop you from doing that to others in the future? Nothing, because you have no integrity. You've demonstrated the fact that you can and will take away users shares for any reason you see fit and not pay them for it. You have zero integrity at this point and you continue to compound your problem. You will never have a successful pool with that sort of mind set.
Please get lost Inaba. I have no fees and i have no reason to steel or something like that i just love this , i have money / servers i just love to work and create so please get lost with your ideas , i will protect full time miners not hoopers like you. I will repeat myself i will GLADLY restore your shares if you will continue mining.So your pool is all about the blackmail? New proposal: Greee must either: -Pay Inaba the expected value of the shares he submitted (no, I don't mean PPS, I'm sure organofcorti can provide us with the average expected value of said shares when mined on a prop pool). Or: -Switch back to the old payout system and restore Inaba's sharecount, then switch to the new payout method at the end of the round. Or: -Get a scammer tag. Shadow383 is the same payout system and prop, but he have some hoopers proof rules, that i will fully explain in a few moments. i`m not stupid to steal or something lol , i just install some hooping proofs. |
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There is no way I am mining on a pool who's operator is an admitted thief, you have got to be kidding, right?
I never steel , i`m not a thief. Ok are you stupid or what? wtf is this? YOU ARE A POOL HOOPER MAN, get a life. IL REPEAT IL RESTORE YOUR SHARES with a simple command IF YOU WILL CONTINUE MINING. Our hooping proof system remove hoopers shares. If they come the system will restore them .... i`l present the full formula in a few moments. |
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No, you can not make changes in the middle of a round if you expect people to trust you. You offered a pool with a set of parameters which I agreed to mine on. If you want to change your parameters, you wait until AFTER the round is over. You don't change it after I've already given you my hashes.
What's to stop you from doing that to others in the future? Nothing, because you have no integrity. You've demonstrated the fact that you can and will take away users shares for any reason you see fit and not pay them for it. You have zero integrity at this point and you continue to compound your problem. You will never have a successful pool with that sort of mind set.
Please get lost Inaba. I have no fees and i have no reason to steel or something like that i just love this , i have money / servers i just love to work and create so please get lost with your ideas , i will protect full time miners not hoopers like you. I will repeat myself i will GLADLY restore your shares if you will continue mining. |
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You made the drama for yourself by stealing shares. You were told not to run a prop pool from the start, but you went ahead and did it anyway because you thought you knew better.
Now, when you finally realize you have no idea what you're doing, you switch mid round and steal all the work because of a mistake YOU made, which people tried repeatedly to enlighten you about and you refused to listen. That's two mistakes you made and you are trying to blame the users? Really?
Good luck man, your pool will never succeed if you steal from your users like that.
So if i run prop i cant make updates or hooping proof settings? I have to stay like this because i say so? i`m not blaming users i`m blaming just you for all of this so get lost. I was friendly with you some users have fairly told me what was your idea i was new on this and i start to learn so please let the drama and kissing asses beware of your pool and let me do my work. its still PROP and will remain prop but with extra protection from hoopers.. like you. Have a nice/lovely life Inaba. |
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I'm sorry, no, it doesn't work like that. I mined on a prop pool, not a hop proof pool. I told you from the start: Yeah, that 43% is mine! All mine! God help you if you try to change the payout method in the middle of a block.
Grats on the fact that you pool didn't just explode when I pointed my farm at you. I am impressed with that at least.
You just did it. You can not be trusted. Plain and simple. Ok Inaba you are a hooper so please shut up don`t make any drama. I writing right now the new formula so you can understand it , if you will mine i will gladly restore your shares. |
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Gree, you can't just go and reset the stats system mid-round. You need to pay Inaba for those shares.
Of course i`l restore his shares but he will lose them IF he don`t start mining. So Inaba? |
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