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1  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Exchanges are now getting intoTradeFi on: October 03, 2025, 11:26:54 AM
Which one will you prefer to trade in exchange. TSLAX or TSLA? TSLAX is tokenized form of TSLA but traded on spot and future market on exchanges, while TSLA is traded on TradiFi on the exchange that I saw it.
Once again speculative trading is proven as gambling by these!

When these are not at all hitting the actually exchange like Nastaq or NYSE, we are literally betting on them like whether they will rise or fall.

Your question of which one to be preferred will not be a big concern for traders here because they will trade whatever available in their favourite exchange or will sign up in a new exchange to start with. Otherwise volume or spread will be a constrain to choose which exchange.

Even, these sounds like a good idea to trade real world assets, I feel like you always need to be ready for announcements of ceasing operations due to regulation or hack.

Personally I prefer a regulated brokers to trade/invest with the real assets definitely not in tokenized form.
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3  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Beyond afford to lose why our small investments really matters ........... on: October 01, 2025, 03:58:23 PM
It's best to start small and test the waters until to understand how it goes for the most of us. So, investing small is a good start and this is how the majority of the investors do before they dedicate a bigger amount for their investment. It's not going to be an easy even if they're experienced somehow in other investments because with how volatility works for bitcoin and the crypto market, this doesn't give them a free pass to avoid that part for which all of us can't skip that. But, to take that naturally gives us a better understanding about this market and gives a stronger emotion which is an important piece to survive here.
To be honest, we need skills and actually a lot of patience to start small. Not everyone will have it and few might think these small investments are only going to give them small profits so they would instead prefer pouring higher amounts expecting higher returns.

What is going to happen at the end, well we all know that very well. They might get ruined by seeing all these investments vanish as they did not have any patience to start small and were running behind huge profits neglecting the risk they are taking. Patience and emotions will pay quite an important role here. Even to start small we need to keep our emotions away and make up our mind to not run behind huge profits. This is something every new trader needs to learn before starting with their first trade.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: s Bitcoin liquid staking the next big trend? on: September 30, 2025, 06:58:33 PM
So I risk losing my btc and get some interest if I do it.

Or put 115k cash in my paypal savings federal insured liquid and get 3.8%

yeah i am aware the cash may be worth less money in a year.

but 115x1.038=119.37 k cash in a year for sure.


and 1 btc could be 0 btc

or 1 btc and some crap coin.


no thanks.
I liked the math but still I would like to point out, 1 btc can never be 0 at least what we have seen so far. Bitcoins have an appreciating value due to rising demand and they will never be worthless not now and never in future as well. Yes staking bitcoins can be worthless as we will not actually be staking bitcoins but some derivates as bitcoins are never designed for staking so there is no actual option to stake bitcoins. Those derivates might surely be 0 in the future and that's why we are staying away from this liquid staking protocols with bitcoin.

Still investing that money in paypal or even banks will give us good amount of returns so why risking it in these liquid staking protocols being unsure about the profits. This is a really good point pointed out by you.
5  Economy / Economics / Re: self control on: September 30, 2025, 05:16:32 PM
is self control enough in this economy?

in order to save money, is it enough to just prevent oneself from buying things unnecessary or limit ourselves to only what is needed to survive? is this a way to live? is there no other easy way aside from earning so much?

sometimes i feel like even with utmost self control you still don’t end up getting rich due to expensive prices and lack of salary in general
I'll say self control is important which it comes to finances but also increasing the income sources and trying to fulfill ours or our family's needs without having self control will be much better. We only have one life and why to live under financial pressure to control our needs or luxuries. For needs, we don't actually need to have self control because that is necessity which is unavoidable but for luxuries, yes we need to have a bit self control and spend only how much we can afford.

People will be spending more than 50% of their salary on luxuries just to maintain a well-known reputation in the society but it is going to hurt us at the end when we don't have enough resources left to fulfill what we really want. We should know where exactly to spend and where to have self-control and avoid overspending.
6  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2025/2026 ⚽ on: September 30, 2025, 08:15:04 AM
The fact that Milan had to play nearly 40 minutes with one man down and they still keep the score and won is a huge deal. Normally I would have expected them to lose out after having that kind of return, and not be able to actually get what they want, after all when you are playing against the leader of the league with one man down for 40 minutes that is usually expected to lose, because they will find a way to score.

But they defended amazingly all game and that gave them a chance to be a lot better. It made me remember the days of old Milan where they had the greatest defense in the whole world, it wasn't "that" good of course but it was still a good deal. I hope that they can keep doing what they are doing and get better.
7  Economy / Economics / Re: The most important factor when building a business on: September 28, 2025, 08:33:11 PM
Not only in business but when starting any work, we must set goals. And when we start a business, it is essential to determine the target audience. If I understand the needs and preferences of those who will receive my product or service, then my business will run in the right direction.
Target audience analysis increases sales and provides valuable information for future business decisions. It also results in better implementation of product development, pricing and market strategies.
I think target audience is the initial and important step of business. It reduces business risks and leads to success.
You're right, and to be able to properly analyse your audience and to understand their needs and demands, it's important for you to have proper knowledge and understanding of the business you are starting. This makes it easier for you to understand their interests or be able to grasp what they want even if they aren't able to specify it properly. This is the reason why for you to have a successful business, it's essential that you get into the industry of your interest, and don't jump anywhere only because you believe there is scope. Remember, there is scope in everything; it just depends on how you do it.

So many people start certain businesses only because they have seen other similar businesses doing very well, but they don't realize that the businesses that are doing good are being run by people with experience in that field, and if you don't have that experience, you are only going to waste your resources and won't be able to get anything out of the business. So when it comes to businesses, you don't really need to get out of your comfort zone.
8  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 28, 2025, 07:48:10 PM
Well pakistan Mai abhi isky baary Mai soochna bhi Sahi nahi samja jata, as woh Issy scam ki Nazar Sy daikhty ha as they only believe on physical bank bills 💵 old typical mindset. Aur age daikha jai toh country Mai almost 40+% log un-literature ha so woh isko samj nahi pa rahy toh kaisy isko accept karyngy for several usage.

Baki Sath Sath country ky 40+% log below poverty line life guzar rahy ha toh woh just 2 waqt ki roti mily iss par focused ha itna wider sooch woh nahi rakhty, so pakistan Mai abhi isko just trading and transfer of money tak mehdood rakha gaya ha but agr education Mai isky hawaly Sy topics add Kiya jai toh in coming future hum kafi boost up ho skaty ha is Mai.
Yeh baat apki bilkul sahi hai k Pakistan men toh illiteracy rate boht ziada hai jiski waja se hum expect nai kr skte k sb log cryptoccurrencies ko smjhenge aur inko use bhi karenge un cheezon men jo wo pehle se local currency se karte hain aur iski khas waja yeh hai k unko in cheezon ki usage ki smjh nai aa paegi aur yaqeenan bht sare log agr ismen ayenge toh unko har waqt apne paise loss krne ka khatra rahega qk technical cheezen hain sari k sari aur jab kisi ne matric bhi pass na kiya ho unko technology ki itni smjh kahan se hgi.

Iske elawa agr baad karen curriculums men cryptocurrencies ya blockchain k hawale se subjects add karne ka toh yeh idea bura nai hai lekin phir baat yeh ajati hai k waise bhi boht sare aese topics aur subjects hain jo school men bachon ko parhane chaiyen lekin hamare education ministers ko kahan parwa in cheezon ki, hamare bache aur bade sab k sab abitak purane aur outdated cheezen parh rhe hain badkismati se.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think we still need more stablecoins in crypto? on: September 28, 2025, 09:20:12 AM
I really think we do not need any more stable coins. We already have what we want and my personal choice will always be USDT. Even if there are other stable coins, I will always stick with USDT. They all have same functionalities at the end and also considering the price point, they all end up being at the same range so why to keep piling stable coins when we already have enough in the markets?

Stable coins are just a substitute for the US dollar and gives us flexibility to hold cryptos without having any risks as we know that the stable coins won't crash to make our investments worthless. These stable coins are meant to be traded against volatile coins like BTC,ETH, etc. We already have fulfilled these needs with the existing stablecoins so I really don't want to see anymore stablecoins in the market.
10  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Should I take a $50K loan from the bank and invest it all in Bitcoin? on: September 27, 2025, 09:49:20 AM
This can turn out to be one of the biggest mistake in your life. Taking bank loan to invest in bitcoins does not only have certain risks but also immense pressure of making profits no matter what happens.

Please remember you can hardly make any profits under pressure. You should only invest money which is sitting idle for years and is not of much use. That way, you will keep your emotions out of the trade and eventually will end up making profits. There's no point in regretting your 3 years old decision. You never know what would have happened if you would have taken that loan to buy bitcoins. Even in a small dip, you might panic and start selling which will end up in loss.

People take loan to buy assets like car, home etc but these loans are secured and are usually backed by the asset. If the bank feels like the loan is not paid back, they can simply seize the asset and recover the money. But in your case, you will have to take a personal loan which will not be secured so you either need a strong civil score or need a guarantor.
11  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 23, 2025, 04:41:01 PM
Assaslaikum
All community member are good
Trust Wallet ky aj aik nai uptade Meri Nazar ky samny guzri ha tu me ny Socha ky apky sath bi share KR do q ky bohat se Bhai coin exchange me is wallet ka use krty ho gye Jo ky bohat hi achi uptade ha. Trust Wallet ki latest update me aik naya feature add hua ha jisse ham apna wallet easily desktop extension ke sath sync kar sakte ha. Ab hamy alag alag devices par manage kar ny ki tension nahi hogi. Sirf settings me jaye aur “Sync with Mobile” option par tap karo. Phir QR code apne phone se scan karo aur desktop par verify kar dy. Verification ke liye aik one-time code milega jo dalna hoga. Ye steps complete karte hi hamara wallet mobile app aur desktop extension dono par sync ho jata hai. Is update ki wajah se hum apna wallet dono devices par aik sath use kar sakte ho bina alag-alag login details ya recovery phrase dalay. Sync karne ka process fast hai aur secure bhi ha jo hamari assets ko safe rakta ha. Ye feature un logon ke liye best hai jo mobile ke sath sath PC par bhi apne funds manage karte hain. link
Walikum assalam. Alhamdulillah we are good.
Update toh achi hai lekin main soch raha hon k Trust Wallet yeh update implement karne men itna late kaise hai? Kyunke aap aksar agar dekhoge toh takreeban sabhi wallets men ya phir exchanges men is tarha k features hote hain jismen aap QR code ko scan kr k aek device se dosre device ko connect kar skte ho aur aapka account sync hojata hai dono devices men, toh main sochta hon k yeh update kafi pehle ajani chaiye thi Trust Wallet men bhi.

Uske elawa agar main personal preferences ki baat karon toh mjhe lagta hai k Trust Wallet ya dosre jitne bhi closed source wallet apps hain unka ziada use acha nai hai qk ismen risks boht hote hain, khas kar tab jab aap apne wallet ko mobile men bhi aur desktop browser main bhi use kar rahe hain jbke aap apne browser men tarha tarha ki activities karte ho jisse k aapke funds ko khatra ho skta hai exploit ka nishana banne ka.
12  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Freedom Becoming More Expensive? on: September 22, 2025, 06:21:19 PM
I think problems like these are the net effect of one country controlling one supply and most countries having its demand. Not every country is developed to that extent that it can generate its own resources.

But I dont see any solution to this right away. Its more of a long term goal to be able to get stuff done in your own country and not depend on others to create it and sell it for you.

Freedom is a bit of yes and no thing here. You can never actually be free, mentally or physically but its how you handle the situation.
Even if every country try, they might not be able to fulfill their demand as the availability of resources is scarce and only few countries have those resources which can be supplied throughtout the globe. A very basic example here will be petroleum, not every country has their own oil rigs, they will have to import petroleum at some point to meet their demand.

For basic requirements, yes every country can have domestic products which can not only decrease the import rate but also increase the economy by providing jobs.

If we have freedom, we will forget struggling. This will perhaps make our present easy but what about our future? Too much freedom is really not good. It has been studied that under pressure, we seem to work hard and meet our goals.
13  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 22, 2025, 03:28:05 PM
Yaha pa woh time ab gaya kaa log learning kaa leyaa aya gaa ab is saa behtr option Ai chat gpt , deepseek or bohout saaraa social media agai jaha pa apko read karnaa ki zaroorat nahi sab apko with voice and animation samja diya jata ha. Ap naa new user ko Ak English speaking channel suggest keyaa abhi woh new Aya ha aur mostly new user ko agr woh waqi newbie ha English maa mushkilaat hote ha samjnaa maa or bolny maa, so osko bata dy us ny Jo poochna ha yaha poochy taky roman urdu maa smajai aur uskaa leyaa asani ho...
Bro baat toh aapki theek hai k new users ko aksar mushkil hoti hai cheezon ko samajhne men lekin mjhe lgta hai isse English bolne ya smjhne ka itna taluq nahin hai jitna unke apne sochne aur samjhne ki salahiyat ka hai aur uske elawa main maanta hon k koi bhi insaan jisko internet aur electronic devices jaise k mobile phones, laptops, computers wagera use krna ata ho sahi se aur wo samjhta ho k kis cheez k liye kia krna hai, toh usey English ka koi masla nai hai qk aaj kal toh waise bhi sb kch English men hi hai.

Knowledge ki agar hum baat kren toh main samajhta hon k insan ko har option try krna chaiye, aur sab kuch aek sath bhi banda kr skta hai jaise k forum pe bhi reading krli, YouTube pe bhi videos dekh liye, phr AI models jaise k ChatGPT aur DeepSeek, inse bhi knowledge leli, aur phr un sab information ko compare kiya ta k pata chal sake k konsi cheez sahi hai aur konsi ghalat, aur jo ghalat hai wo information kahan se mili thi taa k dubara wahan se mili hui information pe asaani se trust na kiya jaye. Yeh process ziada effective sabit ho skta hai new learners k liye.
14  Economy / Economics / Re: How is Bitcoin changing the economy? on: September 21, 2025, 06:04:32 PM
You mean bitcoin can solve unemployment? Is that true? When bitcoin is just an asset and to be able to invest or trade it you first need to have money.

Bitcoin is just an asset, a currency, it is not a company or an organization, it does not create jobs. How can it be said that it can help some people get out of unemployment or can help solve the unemployment problem of a country?

If you think that just because bitcoin provides investment or trading opportunities to some people, and that means bitcoin is creating jobs for them and reducing unemployment. So should the stock market, forex or even gambling be considered as solutions to unemployment? Because there are also a lot of people investing, trading and gambling every day.
Agreed that bitcoins does not directly solve the employment problems but somewhere it creates job around the globe. Just for an example, miners always have need of hardware maintenance people who thus get paid from the money miners make. Somehow, bitcoins will generate funds even thought it does not help with employment.

Unemployment is worst because people loose their income sources but with bitcoins they can always generate additional income sources which can either be by mining, trading or holding. People will make money and they might not even feel a need of getting employed.

Yes, this might be the same with forex or stocks where people can make money but with bitcoins, comes a variety if ways to earn money. Anyone can live a decent lifestyle just by holding or trading bitcoins as they can get really nice profits so this will somewhere solve the employment problem as people would rather not prefer being employed if they are earning nice wages here.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins give more room for manipulations on: September 21, 2025, 05:44:33 PM
I have seen many altcoins being manipulated, and when it comes to trading, I do not go near anyone other than Ethereum, otherwise, I trade Bitcoin. However, in investment, I don't have such restrictions so much, and I have been a victim of a few coins/tokens, even as I've also profited from them. One of the few I've been a victim of is $BAKE, Oh my God--I lost so much in this token within 2 years of holding. I misjudged its past performance for future outcomes and paid dearly for it. I saw it ($BAKE) and $HIFI to be delisted by Binance on the 17th of this month (at the same time). I guess Binance doesn't have a chill for crypto manipulation like before, as the manipulation that calls for the delisting is pointed to in the image below, they both happened just last week.



Now, I feel so ashamed that Binance will delist $BAKE soon. How gross was my decision to stoop so low despite my experience? Going for the top-rated coins is the best, not minding the little amount it can profit you. The better safety is nonnegotiable, not the greed of making more.
That's the exact reason why you should not run behind high profits. This will blow up your accounts sooner or later. Earning profits is not as easy as people think. It takes patience, dedication and a lot of research before jumping into start building our portfolio. I had a very strong feeling about BAKE where there was a heavy pump. These pumps usually mean there is manipulation in the markets as people will not just keep buying without any selling pressure.

You might have had loss here but still you at least learnt not to invest in any such hyped coin in the future. These kind of hyped coins have a very short lifetime. They mostly end up eating all out profits. You can always choose a secure form of investment maybe in bitcoins as Ethereum as it is your favourite coin. Your investments there will at least be secure.
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: As a derivative trader, do you send money to wallet after you close position? on: September 21, 2025, 02:12:49 PM
I would prefer having my funds on exchanges itself just in case I see any opportunity. But I will be very careful before choosing the exchange. I will only rely on trusted exchanges which are running their operations since years.

There is no harm in keeping the funds on exchanges as long as you know how to keep your exchange account safe. Also, I would first itself divide the funds which needs to be invested into trading and will only trade with those funds so I can be sure to keep 100% of those funds on exchanges. The funds which I just want to hold for long term will be stored in noncustodial wallets where I don't have to do anything.

Trading might require sudden funds either to top up our current order or to place an opposite order. This is the reason why I would prefer to keep my funds on exchanges. Even the exchanges now have enough liquidity just in case something goes wrong. I can still get my funds back as these exchanges are now centralized and there is assurance if in case anything goes wrong.
17  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 21, 2025, 01:50:52 PM
So I really appreciate the effort ky still logo Mai humanity ha aur iss genocide ky khilaf awaz otai, honestly agr itna sab Kuch ho Raha ah defence agreement ho rahy ha toh already Pakistan aur turkey ky navy kafi advance ha agr unki nigrane Mai aur unki daal Mai yeh flotilla rawana hota toh Israel ki himmat na hote isko damage karny ki Kyu ky through sub marine yeh har cheez Sy inko protect karty aur navy par attack country like Pakistan aur turkey Sy war start karna Howa
Bro yeh baat toh aapne sahi kahi k agar countries chahen toh protect kar skte hain un logon ko ko imdaad krna chah rhe hain, lekin aapne yahan pe do cheezen mention ki hain, aek toh yeh k USA khud Israil ko support kr rha hai aur dosra aapne kaha k Pakistan ki navy inko protection provide kare, toh brother aap yeh cheez khud socho k Pakistan agar is tarha ka kuch bhi kare toh uska direct matlb hai USA se apne taluqaat kharab karna, aur mjhe hargiz nai lagta k Pakistan ki mojuda government yeh cheez karne ka sochegi bhi qk USA se agar bigaar lenge toh phr karenge kia.

Lehaza ziada tar countries jo hain jo ke diplomatic hain aur politics ko boht achi tarha se follow karte hain wo aesi koi harkat nahin karenge jiske chalte unke apne international ties kharab hojain qk isse unko nuqsan hoga, aur aaj ke daur men konsi country dosre ki madad krne k liye apna nuqsan krwata hai? Ma siwaye kuch countries ke jaise k Iran jisne awaaz uthai jang b cherhi lekin uske elawa kisi bhi country ne abitak khul ke muzahimat nahin ki hai.
18  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: September 20, 2025, 08:31:52 AM
Assaslaikum
All community member are good
Trump ka ek 12 foot golden statue Washington DC National Mall par Capitol Hill ky samny lagaya gaya jisme us ky hath me Bitcoin tha Ye Pumpfun ky livestream stunt ka part tha aur crypto supporters ny isay us ky pro crypto stand ka tribute kaha Statue ko Federal Reserve ky interest rate cut ky din unveil kiya gaya jo crypto market k liye bullish signal mana jata ha Organisers ny kaha ye statue modern politics or financial innovation ky beech link show karta hai aur unhon ny Trump ko Bitcoin adoption ka major reason declare kiya Trump or uski family apni political aur financial power k sath crypto industry me deeply involved hain jiski wajah se unka campaign crypto sector se heavy funding le raha hai Ye statue supporters ka thank you statement tha jo Trump ky crypto friendly policies ko highlight karta ha link
Walikum assalam.
Dunya men jitne bhi log politics ko jaante aur samajhte hain un sabko pata hai k Trump aur uski family ka Bitcoin ya cryptocurrencies ko le k stance kis basis par hai, aur Trump ne aakhir kyun is baar crypto ko support kiya, agar koi nahin jaanta ya samajhta toh main bata don k iske peeche aur koi reason ho ya na ho yeh reason zaroor hai k usko pata tha k Bitcoin boht ziada maqbooliyat hasil kr chuka hai aur boht log isko pasnd krte hain aur support karte hain, toh usne is cheez ko apne faide k liye use kiya qk usey pta tha k agar wo Bitcoin aur crypto k liye support show karega toh jitne log crypto ko pasnd krte hain wo sab isey support karenge aur aesa hi hua aur wo elections bht bade margin se jeet gya.

Sab baaten apni jaga, bhale usne jis reason ki waja se support kiya lekin jab tak wo support kar rha hai tab tak yeh crypto market aur crypto ko support krne wale logon k liye achi cheez hai qk bhale usne adoption men koi kirdaar ada kiya ho ya na ho, lekin USA k log is cheez ko dekh k crypto ko positively dekhna start karenge k agar government support kr rhi hai toh acha hi hoga.
19  Economy / Economics / Re: Don't keep money meant for your business in Bitcoin. on: September 19, 2025, 02:32:21 PM
By business money, I'll say business capital. Investing or just storing business capital in bitcoins will really be a riskier decision which can yield profits thus expanding the business but the chances of losses will be pretty high because businesses require a steady capital flow to support or run the operations.

Any sudden need of funds will force the business owner to sell part of his bitcoins at whatever price and get the cash flow into his business which will surely incur losses as panic selling has never been profitable when it comes to bitcoins.

It is always better to have a credit line from a bank or store the money in bank and draw FD's keeping the money as collateral. This will give a steady cash flow and will also keep the money safe and might also yield some steady returns as per the standard interest rates.

On the other hand, business profits can be invested into bitcoins depending on the ability of taking risk by the business owner. Business profits will be sole individual's profits if he is the only owner. So, the decision will be completely onto him whether or not to invest his money into bitcoins.
20  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏏 Whale.io ACC ASIA CUP 2025 Discussion thread 🏏 20 Sep - 28 Sep 🏏 on: September 19, 2025, 12:18:09 PM
we need India - Sri Lanka final atleast there will be some decent matchup. This Pakistan team is the weakest Pakistan i have ever watch , if not for Shaheen Afridi cameo in both games they would have bundel out for less than 100 against India & most probably lost against UAE.Sri Lanka on the other hand is playing really well since Jayasuriya took over as coach but i hope what happened last night doesn't affect them much
I have to be agreed with you because I am also surprised with Sri Lanka fighting spirit in last few games they are achieving good success through new generation players which is good sign for them in last game against Afghanistan they completely outclass their spinners which is amazing.

Now tomorrow Super Four is going to start with top two will be in final from here now I am expecting challenging matches between Sri Lanka vs India because both are doing good job and undefeated in last few games which will give them good confidence for fighting hard Bangladesh and Pakistan are going to face early exit as both are currently worst in batting.

Exit of Afghanistan is big shock for cricket fans because they are also on good, but they needed to be change their mindset for having better results in sports currently they are too much argent which is not favourable in sports.
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