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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 04:30:07 PM
Looks like Trump will be President

Might not be good, but would be funny.
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
So who amongst you Gentlesirs has locked in profit?
wanna see if this holds until Monday nite...
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
So who amongst you Gentlesirs has locked in profit?
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 04:14:48 PM
^ur not paying attention.

Not helping the object of your affections, Carlton. You're embarrassing him. 4realz.
Why are you upset? If I, somehow, cheapened your feelings for Burt by telling you that they're normal and common, I'm really sorry.
Accept my apology plz? Are we good?
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 04:10:06 PM
Homeland Security investigated me and my family for 18 months.  At the end of all that investigative effort they still did not know that my wife is an attorney and exactly what my business of 30 years does. Both of these things are very easy to determine.
They must've really given it their all, public enemy #1 Cheesy
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I was never charged with money laundering.
Sherm isn't doing time for money laundering either. Most money launderers aren't. Because so darn difficult to prove intent to disguise the source of cheddar, and that said cheese came from SUAs.
Toothless law Undecided
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 03:31:07 PM

Didn't know they nabbed him. Didn't they know enough to respect his sovereignty? He probably didn't know his rights, should have asked them for three forms of ID and blockchain-notarized arrest warrant.

When someone grabbed the land they wanted it. They do not recognize his sovereignty. The colluded with the Serbs and they agree the land is either Serbian or Croatian so it cannot be claimed.

Oic. So exactly like US sovereign citizens. Well, we can always live with Elwar, in international waters...

7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 03:15:00 PM

Didn't know they nabbed him. Didn't they know enough to respect his sovereignty? He probably didn't know his rights, should have asked them for three forms of ID and blockchain-notarized arrest warrant.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 03:06:02 PM
Where to go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland Smiley
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 03:02:23 PM
Ether only up 6.97%, just half as much as BTC.

This is the worst day of my life.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 02:52:09 PM
Not a federal case

I couldn't afford a real attorney

In case still unclear, poor != brave

So it was not a Federal felony case and you were too poor to afford an attorney.  Therefore you had no assets worth seizing.  You were not charged with a paperwork "crime" where civil asset forfeiture attached and did not have all your personal and corporate property seized in a separate civil asset forfeiture case.  You were not the target of a case centered on taking assets because you had none.  You were not charged as and treated as a terrorist under the patriot act.

Therefore my original comment was correct:  you have not faced anything like my situation.
Correct. Poor people have no no assets worth seizing, due to having none. To be that clever...
Albeit I was facing serious jail time. Did I say serious? Lol, I was a poor, jail time is nothing for poors, they don't suffer the pain of being parted from their shekels.
Not like us.

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The day I was arrested they [tale of woe and inhuman torment, suburban-dad-cum-money-launderer spends a day in lockup]
Burt, it may shock you to learn that teenagers getting popped for illegal possession typically spend more time in lockup than you did. Get nailed on Friday, and you've got yourself an all-expense weekend stay at Teh Man's house. A delightful fete, surrounded by fellow freedom fighters, chatting about daring khrymez over tasty baloney & cheese sammiches.

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When I was brought in front of the judge [tale of woe and inhuman torment, suburban-dad-cum-money-launderer spends a day in lockup, part 2] I felt very blessed to have savings, a wife that was able to back me up while I was in jail, a bank that was able to get the IRA cashed out in that short of a time period and on and on.  If fact this entire experience has taught me just how blessed I am and had made me more grateful than ever for my friends and family.
...and yet you trotted out your family (and your doggy) to beg for money on the interweb, like the true Randian hero that you are. Not to buy representation for those poors you so earnestly pity, but to replenish your shekel stash Undecided
11  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 12:59:49 PM

I have eaten delicacies made out of horse meat!.. Its delicious! ... but sheep/lamb meat works too!

Am not really a zebra. Can confirm.

12  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 12:29:04 PM

For what it's worth I think we all owe him/her a thanks. S/he helped buy those cheap coins for as long as he/she/it could

that shouldnt be missing in this incident:



Yeah. A sad day in Eqestria. It's OK tho, because



And, as this pump packs up & implodes, my laughter is going to be just a teeny bit merrier & less morally ambiguous Smiley
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
Several countries have agreed to offer asylum to any American that wants to leave  

The List:

1.
2.
3.

missing any country?

Clearly Americans have been granted political refugee status, by North Korea, by Soviet Union, more recently Russia.
Caveat: you must truly be a political refugee; being a drug dealer or a money launderer who got popped doesn't cut it.

So perhaps Burt is shit out of luck. There's always Liberland, which I'm certain would welcome Burt with open arms. He might have to bring his own goat or something, not sure about the details.  I'm just an ideas man.
Maybe we should think about how to properly punish wrongdoers. The fact that some crimes employ crypto is irrelevant.

While I know the doctrine of 'money laundering' being a crime currently exists, I find these laws insane. There is nothing evil or immoral about moving money about in any fashion. The mere movement of money harms no one. Some time back, lazy enforcers were somehow able to enact laws that they could use when they were not able to actually prove real wrongdoing. It sounds reasonable on its face, but from first principles, there is nothing good about this. Now we've reached the point where innocent people routinely are prosecuted for things which have no evil intent.
The world is rife with precrime. Driving drunk is illegal, even tho most who drive drunk don't cause accidents. While I agree with you on a purely theoretical level, there's a statist cuck part of me that's secretly glad that hand grenades aren't sold from vending carts on playgrounds.
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 12, 2016, 11:53:33 AM
So, someone must risk going to jail and total financial ruin in front of a jury in order to impress you?  Have you personally had to face five years in prison on a coin flip?  Even if you have and even if you did take it to trail so what?  My wife and I did struggle with the whole thing over many months.  We went back and forth on it.  Sometimes thinking we should get our day in court to prove beyond doubt that they were wrong and risk five the years in prison.  You can sit there behind you keyboard in your easy chair anonymously spouting your shit but your opinion simply does not matter.

Let's hear your story of bravery and bravado "proved my innocence at all cost" against a similar situation.

Can't regale you with tales of my daring-do, always having thanked my lucky stars for plea deals. At the time, a public defender was all I could afford.
On the other hand, I never trotted out my family to help me beg on the internet to cover my legal expenses, and never plead out when I was 100% innocent.
Should I bother mentioning that I never told sob stories about the US legal system failing me, after opting out of a jury trial & having agreed to a deal?
So you have never face a situation even remotely similar to mine.  Fair enough.

What part of "I have, but handled it differently" didn't come across?
I see.  I misunderstood you.  So, you used a public defender in a complex Federal felony case?  I assumed the charges were for DUI or something like that - my bad.  At any rate anyone who would use a public defender in a Federal felony case is much braver than I am.  I don't have the stones to trust my life to someone who basically works for the prosecution and can't be truly adversarial on my behalf without risking all future deals with the prosecution.

My hat's off to you o brave one.  You showed me.

You are also, obviously, more principled than me due to your hard stance on never pleading or dealing when you were totally innocent.  I love your "I am innocent and willing to pay whatever it takes to prove it" stance.  Good for you.  

I tip my hat to you o principled one.  You showed me.  

You forgot to mention that we also trotted out our dog on one of our begging pages.  She is very upset you left out her contribution to the cause.  See her cute picture here:

http://www.jmwagner.com/

>So, you used a public defender in a complex Federal felony case?
Not a federal case, your dick is clearly girthier than mine, OG. Though time is time.

>I assumed the charges were for DUI or something like that
No, nothing like that.

>At any rate anyone who would use a public defender in a Federal felony case is much braver than I am.
Which part of "I couldn't afford a real attorney & wasn't willing to trot out my family to beg for money" have I failed to communicate?

>I don't have the stones to trust my life to someone who basically works for the prosecution
In case still unclear, poor != brave; poor people on trial for murder with nothing but a public defender aren't brave, or even necessarily stupid. They're fucking poor. Asshole.
15  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2016, 11:10:49 AM

16  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
nooooo...
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 11, 2016, 10:08:12 PM

Not helping the object of your affections, Carlton. You're embarrassing him. 4realz.
Why are you upset? If I, somehow, cheapened your feelings for Burt by telling you that they're normal and common, I'm really sorry.
Accept my apology plz? Are we good?
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why isnt whatsapp, fb, snapchat, instagram or twitter adding btc? on: June 11, 2016, 09:56:25 PM
Corporate scumbags tend to hold dollar king, they are shills of the big banks.
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!) on: June 11, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
So, someone must risk going to jail and total financial ruin in front of a jury in order to impress you?  Have you personally had to face five years in prison on a coin flip?  Even if you have and even if you did take it to trail so what?  My wife and I did struggle with the whole thing over many months.  We went back and forth on it.  Sometimes thinking we should get our day in court to prove beyond doubt that they were wrong and risk five the years in prison.  You can sit there behind you keyboard in your easy chair anonymously spouting your shit but your opinion simply does not matter.

Let's hear your story of bravery and bravado "proved my innocence at all cost" against a similar situation.

Can't regale you with tales of my daring-do, always having thanked my lucky stars for plea deals. At the time, a public defender was all I could afford.
On the other hand, I never trotted out my family to help me beg on the internet to cover my legal expenses, and never plead out when I was 100% innocent.
Should I bother mentioning that I never told sob stories about the US legal system failing me, after opting out of a jury trial & having agreed to a deal?
So you have never face a situation even remotely similar to mine.  Fair enough.

What part of "I have, but handled it differently" didn't come across?
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why isn't Zimbabwe adopting Bitcoin? on: June 11, 2016, 09:37:15 PM
After having repeatedly failed in adopting foreign currencies, including usd, Zimbabwe is now trying to solve problems by issuing bond notes. Why the hell don't they adopt btc??

Because they'd have to buy bitcoin (with money they don't have), while the cost of issuing bonds is nominal? because no one there will be able to use bitcoin, because no unlimited internet, computers, or even smart phones?
Why would they adopt bitcoin?
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