BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!)

[SomaliRebel]

Where to go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

Did the Croatians release the founder yet?

Didn't know they nabbed him. Didn't they know enough to respect his sovereignty? He probably didn't know his rights, should have asked them for three forms of ID and blockchain-notarized arrest warrant.

[SomaliRebel]

Where to go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

Did the Croatians release the founder yet?

Didn't know they nabbed him. Didn't they know enough to respect his sovereignty? He probably didn't know his rights, should have asked them for three forms of ID and blockchain-notarized arrest warrant.

When someone grabbed the land they wanted it. They do not recognize his sovereignty. The colluded with the Serbs and they agree the land is either Serbian or Croatian so it cannot be claimed.

Oic. So exactly like US sovereign citizens. Well, we can always live with Elwar, in international waters...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2d/f0/d2/2df0d2f9742c35ef47009d439f8124ee.jpg

[BurtW]

Burt, it may shock you to learn that teenagers getting popped for illegal possession typically spend more time in lockup than you did. Get nailed on Friday, and you've got yourself an all-expense weekend stay at Teh Man's house. A delightful fete, surrounded by fellow freedom fighters, chatting about daring khrymez over tasty baloney & cheese sammiches.

Yes, that is what I said.  I was appalled by the entire corporate run human warehousing system from top to bottom.  It was much larger and nefarious than I could have imagined without having experienced it - yes for just four day thank God.  We are in agreement here.  Point of fact, as you stated: they tried to round up all the indicted "Bitcoin criminals" from their "operation avalanche" on Friday so that they could force them to spend the entire weekend in lockup before they could be brought before a judge.  I just happened to be out of town on that Friday so they could not arrest me until Monday at my client's office after I got back.  This irritated them no end.

tale of woe and inhuman torment, suburban-dad-cum-money-launderer spends a day in lockup

Homeland Security investigated me and my family for 18 months.  At the end of all that investigative effort they still did not know that my wife is an attorney and exactly what my business of 30 years does.  Both of these things are very easy to determine.  After 18 months of investigation, 4 years of bank records, every text I ever received or sent (including all deleted texts) the best they could come up with for the indictment was 18-1960.  I was never charged with money laundering.  After 18 months of investigation, undercover operations, placing a tracker on my car, etc. the lead investigator and the AUSA assumed they could add a money laundering charge after they were able to confiscate the millions of dollars in Bitcoins they promised to find during the raid on my house and business.  They did not find the millions they promised or the evidence they promised because there wasn't any.  The fact there was no money laundering and no huge payoff for their coffers made them hopping mad the day of the raid.

[SomaliRebel]

Homeland Security investigated me and my family for 18 months.  At the end of all that investigative effort they still did not know that my wife is an attorney and exactly what my business of 30 years does. Both of these things are very easy to determine.

They must've really given it their all, public enemy #1

I was never charged with money laundering.

Sherm isn't doing time for money laundering either. Most money launderers aren't. Because so darn difficult to prove intent to disguise the source of cheddar, and that said cheese came from SUAs.
Toothless law

[Carlton Banks]

SomaliRebel: another one of those internet cowards who would never dare to say what he's saying here to real people in real life. Pathetic, waste of a "human".

[SomaliRebel]

^ur not paying attention.

http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/maidens.png

Not helping the object of your affections, Carlton. You're embarrassing him. 4realz.

Why are you upset? If I, somehow, cheapened your feelings for Burt by telling you that they're normal and common, I'm really sorry.
Accept my apology plz? Are we good?

[QuestionAuthority]

Several countries have agreed to offer asylum to any American that wants to leave 

The List:

1.
2.
3.

missing any country?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=countries+will+take+us+citizens+if+trump+wins

[tvbcof]

Several countries have agreed to offer asylum to any American that wants to leave 

The List:

1.
2.
3.

missing any country?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=countries+will+take+us+citizens+if+trump+wins

I'm fond of the idea of making California more of a honey-pot for budding collectivists and U.N. 'sustainable' playground than it already is and encouraging a lot of people whom that appeals to to move there.  Maybe even advertise it as a 'Trump-free zone.'  Then at some point 'lose' it to Mexico or Aztlān or whatever.

Of course I don't live in California any more and when I did I considered myself a migrant worker and sent most of my excess earnings up North.  Not as far North as the Soviet of Seattle however.  My hopes for that and Portland is that it would similarly be 'lost' to Canada.  Betwixt the two (and right were I live now) I hope to become the sovereign nation of Jefferson (vs. the 'Jefferson State' which is an idea that has been bandied about for a while.)  As a legal framework basis we could borrow the United States constitution since it's not really being used any more.

[franky1]

alot of people thought the "free state project" was going to be a good thing.. seems that has failed as trump got most votes in the republican primary..
they only have themselves to blame

[Carlton Banks]

I hope to become the sovereign nation of Jefferson (vs. the 'Jefferson State' which is an idea that has been bandied about for a while.)  As a legal framework basis we could borrow the United States constitution since it's not really being used any more.

Strongly endorse this plan, as well as/in conjunction with the movement to split California into 6 separate states (with or without federal accession, preferably without). San Francisco is one of the few metropolitan areas of the US that I would visit these days, just about every other major built up area seems slightly too dangerous for my liking. Rural/suburban America still seems fairly genteel, although even that appears to be hit and miss to a certain extent. One way or another, politics overall in the US is set for a major state of flux, I think we can all tell that to some extent, so, your opportunity is a'knockin', Jefferson State.

[QuestionAuthority]

Several countries have agreed to offer asylum to any American that wants to leave 

The List:

1.
2.
3.

missing any country?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=countries+will+take+us+citizens+if+trump+wins

I'm fond of the idea of making California more of a honey-pot for budding collectivists and U.N. 'sustainable' playground than it already is and encouraging a lot of people whom that appeals to to move there.  Maybe even advertise it as a 'Trump-free zone.'  Then at some point 'lose' it to Mexico or Aztlān or whatever.

Of course I don't live in California any more and when I did I considered myself a migrant worker and sent most of my excess earnings up North.  Not as far North as the Soviet of Seattle however.  My hopes for that and Portland is that it would similarly be 'lost' to Canada.  Betwixt the two (and right were I live now) I hope to become the sovereign nation of Jefferson (vs. the 'Jefferson State' which is an idea that has been bandied about for a while.)  As a legal framework basis we could borrow the United States constitution since it's not really being used any more.

I haven't really enjoyed living in the land of the paranoid and home of the spied upon for a long time. It's been at least two decades since I could call myself a patriotic American. I don't want to leave only because it's going to be so much fun watching this country self destruct.

I wouldn't borrow too much from the constitution unless your looking to create a white male superiority state. Not that I have anything against slavery and raping slave women if that's your thing. Hey, if it's good enough for Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin it's good enough for me.

[_Miracle]

There is only one permanent solution to this problem. All the decent people like Burt in this fucked up country need to leave. Let all the asshole government leeches stay here and suck the blood out of each other until they're all dead. Then we can come back and reoccupy the empty land. Several countries have agreed to offer asylum to any American that wants to leave if that fool Trump wins. We should take them up on it.

I hope all the decent people stay and stand up for what they believe in.
Although as we see here with Burt/and family it can come with great risk/cost/loss.

It would be encouraging to see more bitcoin enthusiasts integrate it into their current professions: specialized attorneys, CPAs, brokers ect.
Byrne did it with Overstock and we have yet to see if there will "suddenly" become a law that makes Overstock's acceptance of bitcoin illegal.

And fight a losing battle?

1. Leave.
2. Wait until the destroy themselves (inevitable)
3. Return.
4. Profit.

The problem is that so much of the world today is shit. Europe is worse (I'm from there, fucking socialists). Where to go?

2. Wait until the destroy themselves (inevitable)



I may be older than you... I don't have as much time ;-)
Unfortunately as history has shown we really don't destroy the bad aspects of our humanity fast enough but they do seem to grow exponentially.


The legality of bitcoin and the potential repercussions of its use while we figure out that it ( or something like it ) is the future of money has been a concern of mine from the start. I've spent many years becoming an upstanding citizen, my preference is to keep it that way but this is a concept that may be worth fighting for if need be.

[iamnotback]

...

Btw, it really sucks what happened to you. Charge it to experience!

Dude got basically ass-raped by the Man for selling digital tokens, and you say... "Charge it to experience!"... lemme guess, spergers?

It is a terse/concise expression that means to console someone (or ourself when said to self) which has the intended meaning, "since there is nothing you can do to get restitution, then at least consider not a total loss because you've gained experience".

Maybe you have aspergers?

[iamnotback]

Using crypto is walking the walk.

Not really:

Second, having seized a wallet with a password they can just keep it until you prove it [the wallet, not yourself] is innocent.  Yes, you can move your funds off the phone and let them have the phone and just walk away with your Bitcoins and replace your phone.

However there are two scenarios in which this is not the case:

1) if you are arrested at the time of the seizure

2) if they manage to find out you moved their new funds off their new phone after they seized the phone

If you refuse to give them the password or the moved funds you can be charged with contempt of court and be placed in jail until you give them the password or the funds.  This is a pretty big hassle for them and a lot more work than just taking cash, pre-paid cards, unprotected Bitcoins, etc. so they would have to think the possible profit worth the effort so the amount of, or their perception of, the amount comes in to play.

The "good" news is that this would involve having to arrest and charge you with something so you start to have some rights in the process, can hire an attorney, go to court, etc.

The bad news is that contempt of court charges can not be appealed.  Also for all practical purposes there is no time limit for a contempt of court charge.  They can give you 30 days, bring you back to court, if you refuse again - another 30 days, rinse and repeat as long as they want.

They kept Martin Armstrong in jail for 7+ years on contempt of court.

The problem is once they do the forensics on your mobile phone and realize you have not given them all the passwords, they will eventually force you to give them all, and then they will be able to track down that you moved funds. Then they will force you to give back those funds, else hold you in contempt of court forever until you do.

Do not keep access to large funds on the mobile phone you carry with you!

When you need to physically move a password, then memorize it and move your brain.

I think there might be an even better way. You'd encrypt your password to a public key. At the destination you'd decrypt it with password you had stored at that location.

Don't forget BitCON is centralized mining and thus it will also likely be confiscated with G20 control over the block chain.

In regards to the centralization of Bitcoin, he now works for the Media Lab at MIT, who has just come out with a controversial concept known as ChainAnchor... ChainAnchor would coerce miners to not allow transactions that do not have the identities of the users of Bitcoins tied to their transactions and wallets, defeating the peer-to-peer, identity-protecting foundation of Bitcoin itself.

Where did you get that picture of my family?  Calling them nutcases, you have the nerve...

My family is much better prepared than I am, as you can see.  Alas, in my case, my guns (ammo too) were lost in a boating accident, why a year ago IIRC.  Rather than get the police all riled up about guns out there at the bottom of the sea, I thought I would just let them corrode away.  Most unfortunate.

Oh, I lost all my precious metals on the same boat-ride.  And everyone told me that it was so much better to take all that stuff with me rather than leave it all behind in some dark place at home.  How naive.  Now I have to start over.

I'm sorry to hear about your loss.  Indeed, boating accidents seem to be rather common now.  And I had always thought that carrying around my precious and my weapons was a good idea rather than leaving them in some dark hidey-hole at home.

In my case though, I lost all of that while ice-fishing in Minnesota last winter.  I even forget which lake.  Bummer!

That is not going to work. They will throw you in jail, until you tell them where your gold is. They are not going to believe you lost in the lake.

If you really want to hide assets, there better not be any record of obtaining the assets.

End Game, Gold Investors Will Be Destroyed, June 15, 2010
Bitcoin: The Digital Kill Switch, March 29, 2013

[tvbcof]

They kept Martin Armstrong in jail for 7+ years on contempt of court.

The problem is once they do the forensics on your mobile phone and realize you have not given them all the passwords, they will eventually force you to give them all, and then they will be able to track down that you moved funds. Then they will force you to give back those funds, else hold you in contempt of court forever until you do.

Do not keep access to large funds on the mobile phone you carry with you!

Good advice.  Should not be necessary to communicate it in this day and age, at least to those who control a pile of BTC, but probably doesn't hurt.

When you need to physically move a password, then memorize it and move your brain.

I'm not in agreement with this.  Even in mainstream-land there is quite a lot of information about 'mind scanning.'  Basically pulling information out of people's thought patterns using increasingly capable sensor technology and massive data crunching.  Trying to memorize a necessarily complex passphrase seems like one of the things which would make such technology even more effective, especially when coupled with the kinds of more base techniques of psychological manipulation available to those who hold a victim in captivity.

I would suggest engineering a solution whereby control of BTC is simply not available to the owner unless he/she are demonstrably free of influence from attackers.  There are many methods of doing this depending on the resources available to a given individual and threats to be protected against, and we can thank the real scientists/engineers in the community for developing them to the point of usefulness (e.g., Maxwell.)  It would be unwise to talk much about whatever selection of methods one has chosen for their own use.

[iamnotback]

we can thank the real scientists/engineers in the community for developing them to the point of usefulness (e.g., Maxwell.)

You can thank Maxwell and Bros (Blockstream) for Rube Goldberg "tech" of SegWit, SideChains, and Lightning Networks, all of which will force centralized control over the validation of the block chain.

666 on a silver platter courtesy of Blockstream. Who also appear to be colluding with the Chinese mining cartel. Do you think they were given $76 million in funding by the banksters to do good for us. Come on. Grow up.

Instead of your pie-in-the-sky delusions, brain readers are not yet that practical. The 666 system may come eventually but I am referring to what we can do now, during the coming global sovereign collapse into totalitarianism.

Also it is not likely you can permanently remember a Bitcoin private key, so a hypothetical brain reader would be even more impractical. You would memorize that for the duration of the travel, and if you forgot, you'd return to re-memorize it. If you trust your traveling companion, they would memorize half of it, so neither of you would ever have memorized the entire password, but that might make it more likely that each of you would memorize the shorter password for a longer duration.

I think there might be an even better way. You'd encrypt your password to a public key. At the destination you'd decrypt it with password you had stored at that location. Or just spend the Bitcoins to the new destination address. The point is don't travel with your passwords to large funds.

[jbreher]

While not really Bitcoin-specific, this recent article from Reason provides a good overview of the US Government's egregiously tyrannical powers:

Could the IRS Empty Your Bank Account?
A little-known rule lets feds steal money from people who haven't been convicted---or even accused---of a crime.
by Robert Everett Johnson and Nick Sibilla

http://reason.com/archives/2016/06/30/could-the-irs-empty-your-bank

[Raize]

http://reason.com/archives/2016/06/30/could-the-irs-empty-your-bank

Holy crap this article is awesome.

In an acerbic dissent, Justice William Douglas argued that it was "sheer nonsense" to suggest that "all bank records of every citizen 'have a high degree of usefulness.'" "Suppose Congress passed a law requiring telephone companies to record and retain all telephone calls and make them available to any federal agency on request," he presciently suggested. "Would we hesitate even a moment before striking it down?"

I guffawed aloud when I read that. Imagine if Douglas was alive today.