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Karov dropped some info about Nicky case that I found interesting a while back. I also looked into Nicky's thoughts on voting. He has this interesting game: http://ncase.me/ballot/Looks like score based voting is the best. Obv not needed for Tau but interesting nonetheless. |
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I think a bigggg part of of the value in crypto is the liquidity factor. No one seems to mention this much. He who can find a way to instigate liquidity can certainly win the hearts of many in this space.
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Once this is rolling, on a 2nd layer base, I'd love to get a funding mechanism in place for early adopters like Dash to ramp up the development side of things.
That's the one thing from Dash I think is very cool, the rest is blah but, the funding mechanism they have to get ideas off the ground is neat.
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I wonder if Cuckoo cycle POW would be suitable for Tau
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Okay, being angry at Ohad isn't going to help your cause.
The concerns you have are still the same, what he's doing is still the same - working on alpha for this year or early 2018.
Nothing has changed, you're just being impatient. To work on the alpha instead of whitepaper was entirely at our request.
Moan if it comes to end of Feb 2018 and he hasn't given any updates. But for now, you know what position you're in and what has been said by Ohad.
Lets try to create a community. It'd be nice to see valuable thinking on some of the info that has been shared on the FB page.
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Have bought some Agoras on Bittrex.
Am I right in thinking that if I send those to an OMNI wallet address before the 1st August and leave them there that there is an automatic 15% locking bonus?
Think I read this somewhere before in the thread but I can't find the post again now.
Last February I asked Ohad about the 15% bonus. His reply "Yes, all coins that won't be moved from the upcoming first of March, until the final coins will be ready, will receive the extra upon time. Also without me keeping them." Hopefully this still stands. that's true, but need to be done before the upcoming 1st of aug (i.e. will be relevant only for tokens that didnt move at all since this upcoming date). we just dont have enough coins left to allow this locking bonus further Why I saw a normal response so late??? I do not sell tokens and do not intend to sell them, but they are on bittrex. Ohad, Can you extend the last date for the lock bonus, please? Sorry for my english Hi there, It'd be unfair to extend the token bonus date as this would trigger constant amendments and requests from the community. I don't know how or where you purchased your coins, if you purchased directly from Ohad and held, you should receive your additional 15% |
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Have bought some Agoras on Bittrex.
Am I right in thinking that if I send those to an OMNI wallet address before the 1st August and leave them there that there is an automatic 15% locking bonus?
Think I read this somewhere before in the thread but I can't find the post again now.
Last February I asked Ohad about the 15% bonus. His reply "Yes, all coins that won't be moved from the upcoming first of March, until the final coins will be ready, will receive the extra upon time. Also without me keeping them." Hopefully this still stands. that's true, but need to be done before the upcoming 1st of aug (i.e. will be relevant only for tokens that didnt move at all since this upcoming date). we just dont have enough coins left to allow this locking bonus further Hello Ohad, I am new here. I went through the entire AGRS Bitcointalk to get a picture of the story. I carried my AGRS tokens over to my Omniwallet prior to Aug 1. And they have stayed there since. What you're saying is that I would be entitled to 15% bonus on the total AGRS holdings. Is that correct? If so, how and when will this occur? How can the holdings be monitored? Do I need to provide the address which hosts the AGRS holdings? How does this all bonus thing work? Thanks in advance for your reply. Have a great day! JTB Hey, yes you're entitled to the 15% These are the pre-agoras, they will be turned into the real agoras on project release. That's when we'll get the bonus. Just keep your 15% for now |
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Things I've learnt over the past week. This thing really doesn't need a blockchain, it's just a buzzword and will only attract buzzword followers.
In my mind it'll devalue our credibility if we had a blockchain because most companies just add "blockchain technology" to things that don't need a blockchain, just to fool stupid people into giving them money.
Soon, most will know blockchains aren't the innovation, POW (Proof of work) was the innovation and i'd rather this didn't attract the stupids (look at mr holier than thou over here), I don't want to fool other people into buying tokens by using buzzwords like supercomputer/blockchain/smartcontracts. We don't want to get caught in the impending backlash when people realise just how stupid those buzzwords really are.
Lets let the product do the talking.
Let me know your thoughts fellow tau team. Also, please research what a blockchain really is.
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Hello Ohad,
I would like to offer my services. Currently a lead front-end developer for a company, building a web application. Have experience with Javascript, HTML, AngularJS, ReactJS, NodeJS, Java, Postgresql, MySQL, PHP, Docker, Grunt, Gulp, etc.
you can check me out on GitHub and Stackoverflow under fayzaan.
I can help with building a new website and also help with programming. I can work for agoras tokens instead of cash. I have already invested 8500 tokens and bought at around .70/.90usd. I was really hoping it would go to $4/$5 so I could pay off some debts but oh well..
thanks
Very much appreciated brother. I've also committed to the the same. As stated before though, the website isn't necessary at current. It's been decided by the holders that he should go for the product first. The product requires a more technical understanding than your experiences listed. When the website is needed, Ohad will let everyone know for sure and that's when we can jump in. |
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I feel like we are going to hear the same thing a year from now, just like we heard the same thing last year. (Please go look at the posts from last year, it's people complaining about the same shit we are now. And back then, there wasn't a major increase in price like we had in this recent pump and dump. Also he said he would raise prices 10x in july so he can focus on building the product, yet he isn't raising the prices. He said the same thing last year too, but he didn't keep his word. Why does he keep flip-flopping?)
Someone remember this post next year when he quits this project and tells people it's trash.
From my understanding, Ohad is doing a horrible job. All of you guys are putting blind faith in him. I was willing to give him a chance but seeing some of his posts from last year, he's doing the same thing over again without any progress.
For the love of my investment, can someone tell me WHY I should not worry?
If you feel like that take your loss and sell, nobody cares if you worry or not. Medstudent has valid points though. Medstudent it all comes down to whether you trust Ohad or not. That's all. You either trust him with you money or you don't. |
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the guy has 90% of all coins and the total suply is uncapped, he made no real developments other the funding scheme and his site looks like its from 20 years ago and hasnt been updated for a year... Clearly holding 90% of coins and having infinite supply and having your friends hype up the sale and then just use the infinite coins to pump and dump and then distance yourself from any responsibility saying it was someone else hyping..... you guys are freaking blind.
2 and a half years and nothing to show for, if someone was working hard on project they wouldnt let themselves have bad site like that and why did he not say that it was not true about promised increase and burning of unused coins during the hype period if he cared about the project and investment... notice he picks and chooses his replies too.
scam alert!
Nope, you just haven't read the forum. I would take the time to read from page 1. You'll see it's the crypto community that have made the decisions, not Ohad. |
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WHERE IS PROOF OF OHAD BURNING THE UNSOLD COINS, HE MADE SAME SCHEME IN 2016 BUT NEVER BURNED COINS.
Pardon my ignorance but how is that a scheme? If he burns the unsold coins (which I think all of the 60% he was selling got sold), he will kinda be profiting because the rest of his coins would be worth way more than the high we had the other day. I might not like how he goes about this project, but if you read through the entire thread, the community is the one guiding Ohad so I don't think he's scamming anyone. Like I was complaining about no white paper but if you go back a few months the commmhnity collectively decided to only release the product when it is ready. The reason being, tezos stole one of Ohads codes and used it as their own. He doesn't want people to steal his ideas, and that's fine with me. I still plead him to hire more developers to aid him in his goal. Have them sign a legal agreement that they cannot work on any similar project for the next 3-5 years. This will insure Ohad is the father of his idea and even if someone copies it, he can claim a lot of their equity by suing them. Also please hire someone to redo the website lol. Preferably someone from this community who would be invested in the project so they would do their best job. You don't even have to work on it. All you have to do is give it your approval. I'm sure some community members would even take payment in the form of crypto lol. You know, I've had a negative attitude so far but I'm willing to see where this project goes. Wish you all the best and please heed some of my advice! Hey brother, I've committed to helping Ohad on the website as soon as we're closer to alpha. I've got some great designers who build really modern websites. I hope that helps. The marketing & branding from my team etc WILL come, trust me, i'm all for it but, we didn't want to market something we didn't have, that'd be the true meaning of scam. It's just a matter of when he's closer to alpha. I speak with Ohad privately and i'm just as committed as he is. |
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Jesus. This guy who gave you this "tip" to invest in this project because it was going to 10usd really did a number on you all.
I'd direct your attention to him - not in anger, but to understand why HE would buy this asset besides the speculation there must be something he saw in it. But before that, ask yourself why you're taking investment advice from someone who doesn't know your appetite for risk or understanding of the asset.
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It looks like everyone is it in for themselves here. Me me me, I want XXX. This isn't an insert coin and he does what you want.
This is a start up. You pay if you believe in the underlying technology and the ability for the dev to execute.
Let the guy build. You should have looked before buying, now you're trying to change what early investors agreed to. All opinions valid ofcourse - even the insults.
If many of you were true investors you'd thank Ohad for being so blunt and honest. The truth is, not many people can understand the majority of the tech in the crypo space but they buy. The past day or two of posts have been eye opening to say the least. There are people still screaming about how cool blockchains are and pushing that garbage in the media when it's just a useless ledger. When you see someone as honest as Ohad, don't moan that you don't like certain elements, be grateful that there's open information so you can make an informed decision. You should avoid things you're not happy with or don't understand or, spend time watching the videos, reading the questions and posts from the beginning of the forum.
Are you really telling me you'd rather have a nice: Website, Blog and everything looking pretty and be 1 year away from alpha more than no website/blog and be 6 months from alpha? Why would you want a website with the same information that you can read on this forum other than it looking nice, raising the price and you dumping your coins.
You also have to remember that this project isn't the job of any normal developer you can hire off Upwork (I just checked certain technical keywords on Upwork to verify and yep you guessed it, no results) Ohad is likely one of the most talented devs full stop, let alone in the crypto space. You don't just "hire" for this kind of project, not many devs understand the project. It's very talented and high level work. All of this "I bought too high" bullshit is meaningless. Are the 1 usd buyers of BTC/ETH/DASH complaining? Tell me if you think they're worried about that time they didn't buy at 50cents. If Ohad pulls this off, whatever price you bought at today will be nothing compared to the price you'll see when the product is released.
You bought, you can always sell. Know that Ohad will be going for the product. You need to up your trading game or go long term. There are refunds for those that want out and bittrex for those that want more. Fair is fair. I personally want more.
Ohad, after today i'd free up as much of your time as possible. Give definitive info on the sale of tokens and back to work on the product.
With all due respect, those other projects gave us a white paper and weee also very communicative on their process overall. They all had more than 1 developer too. You really think Ohad is the only one that can do this Work you're fooling yourself. You think a good website wouldn't help his cause out? You're fooling yourself. All this extra stuff he can do by hiring someone to take care of it. He raised millions of dollars this past month he has the capital. He hasn't released anything new or any product in three years. You can defend him blindly but after three years I'm super worried nothing will come out of this. He hasn't even given a proper timeline for the alpha tau platform which is something he has been working on for the past three years. You're actin g like Ohd is some genius. If he was he would have taken care of all the other aspects of his business as well. He has the capital so I don't understand why he isn't taking care of this stuff. And yes you can hire more developers dto take care of the time consuming tasks which he hasn't been doing. He hasn't shown us anything man. He hasn't even updated code on GitHub in months. And now he keeps on changing what he's planning on doing with coins. I am losing confidence in him day by day. He won't even respond to my posts on this forum because he knows he's fucking up. You guys can look at it optimistically, but I take everything through pessimism. I don't wanna rely on "hope". 8 I wanna rely on work and tangible progress. And once again, saying he's the only person on the world that can do this is very far fetched. There's millions of people who can help him out on this project but why isn't he hiring anyone? Because he's failing on his project. And if he was so blunt and honest, he would show us the progress he has already made. He would show us where the money he raised is being allocated, etc. saying that "I hope it's done in 2017" is not being blunt or honest, it's leading people on. I've read through his old posts and he goes back and forth a lot. He did this whole presale thing in April of 2016, read some of the earlier posts. He's pulling the same shit again. Until we get more transparency from him, we are all getting conned, imo. You know what would ease my mind as well as many other people? A simple updated white paper on the goals of this project and a timeline in which all these goals will be accomplished. Is that really too much to ask? Like seriously, I'm getting pissed he can't even provide us with something as simple as a white paper. It's making me lose complete confidence in him. Also the price went up like 30 cents in years... only due to speculation of a 10x price increase, how is this instilling confidence in the project or Ohad? If you think you're getting conned, why not just sell? |
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It looks like everyone is it in for themselves here. Me me me, I want XXX. This isn't an insert coin and he does what you want.
This is a start up. You pay if you believe in the underlying technology and the ability for the dev to execute.
Let the guy build. You should have looked before buying, now you're trying to change what early investors agreed to. All opinions valid ofcourse - even the insults.
If many of you were true investors you'd thank Ohad for being so blunt and honest. The truth is, not many people can understand the majority of the tech in the crypo space but they buy. The past day or two of posts have been eye opening to say the least. There are people still screaming about how cool blockchains are and pushing that garbage in the media when it's just a useless ledger. When you see someone as honest as Ohad, don't moan that you don't like certain elements, be grateful that there's open information so you can make an informed decision. You should avoid things you're not happy with or don't understand or, spend time watching the videos, reading the questions and posts from the beginning of the forum.
Are you really telling me you'd rather have a nice: Website, Blog and everything looking pretty and be 1 year away from alpha more than no website/blog and be 6 months from alpha? Why would you want a website with the same information that you can read on this forum other than it looking nice, raising the price and you dumping your coins.
You also have to remember that this project isn't the job of any normal developer you can hire off Upwork (I just checked certain technical keywords on Upwork to verify and yep you guessed it, no results) Ohad is likely one of the most talented devs full stop, let alone in the crypto space. You don't just "hire" for this kind of project, not many devs understand the project. It's very talented and high level work. All of this "I bought too high" bullshit is meaningless. Are the 1 usd buyers of BTC/ETH/DASH complaining? Tell me if you think they're worried about that time they didn't buy at 50cents. If Ohad pulls this off, whatever price you bought at today will be nothing compared to the price you'll see when the product is released.
You bought, you can always sell. Know that Ohad will be going for the product. You need to up your trading game or go long term. There are refunds for those that want out and bittrex for those that want more. Fair is fair. I personally want more.
Ohad, after today i'd free up as much of your time as possible. Give definitive info on the sale of tokens and back to work on the product.
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So.... wheres the update that was supposed to happen...
in 38 mins Looking forward to hearing from you but most updates should be told on your WEBSITE, not here. In its current state, this project is for long term investors and traders. If you are neither, I don't think this is the right place for you right now. You should be looking for projects that you want to work with and things that make you happy. You're clearly not happy so, in my view you should find a project that you truly believe in. I've found a few I believe in a lot actually. I'm already invested in them. I'm going to see his next update and make my decision from there if this project is worth getting into again. But how much longer are you willing to hold? Another 3 years? What if the project still isn't done then... Honestly, I think if something is great, who cares how long it takes? It depends on your ability to be patient, and with startups you must trust the owner, as that's all you have. Everyone's appetite is different. Do what you feel really comfortable with never discussing again. Because for you, this is speculative and with speculative bets you must able to say "hey ho, that was fun, what's next" if you can't say that you've likely put in too much or you weren't really for the investment in the first place. With all due respect, it has been over three years... why is this still in phase 1? His initial thoughts on the project were incorrect. He came out and said he was wrong. He then started again on an improved version with more understanding. Some people would say he's stringing investors along - which is fair, others would give credit to the honesty of the managing partner. |
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I think it's important for Ohad to ignore the new players. The majority of them are so short term. They're complaining about the website which, we've discussed multiple times. First Ohad will be releasing a mini alpha. Then, we'll begin on the more marketing efforts e.g. website later down the line in the future.
Lets face it, the only thing the website does is raise the price of the token, nothing more. As much as we'd like to see the price of the token go up, it must be backed by value that only Ohad can create. There is no value in a website right now, but there value in the product. All the information on Tau can be found within this forum and Ohad has had to unfortunately repeat himself about a trillion times.
Attention new players: Ohad will not be building the website. Original holders support him in this decision and are in favour of this decision.
If you don't understand what he's trying to build then this isn't the place for you. But, if you're long term and you want to understand what he's trying to build HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES. Then yes, hold. If not, I would try to find a project that you believe in. Why would you buy anything you don't like?
Us early adopters want Ohad to continue to develop and construct the idea in peace. The less time spent on this forum, the more work he gets done.
If you invested because someone told you to, that's on you. Only you can tell yourself to do something, the silver lining on that is that you had enough knowledge to generate money in the first place to even invest so you can always get back. Moral of the story, don't buy things you don't want or understand.
To Ohad - Ignore requests and continue to develop. We're entirely with you.
If you're a new supporter, please read through the forum, come to your own conclusion and let that be it.
Thanks
Can I do some rebuttals on this? This isn't to make Ohad look bad, rather this is to get the NEWCOMERS (which every project needs) educated on what is going on with Tau. You say Ohad will be releasing a mini alpha.. then work on the marketing with website later on. Why isn't that written anywhere so newcomers can see that there is something going on here? You act like new people coming to support this project is a bad thing if they have a few questions about where the project is going. New comers are investing OUR money so we would like to know what our money is getting into. You say there is no value in the website which is VERY VERY wrong. I've read a few posts around different crypto websites that are taken aback by the Tau project because the website looks like a scam. It doesn't take a lot of money to get the website remade, to get some good english translators to get the main idea across in a legible and clear manner. You say the only place to get real information on the project is on bitcointalk which is a MAJOR issue. Everyone should be getting updates from the BLOG on their website, and USERS who believe in the Tau project should be updating us here. That's professionalism. Why does Ohad have to repeat himself a trillion times? Because there is no other place with concise info and a timeline about how his goals will be accomplished. Who wants to go through 100+ pages on this thread to find answers to the questions they have? NO ONE. We should be getting all our answers from a FAQ page on the Tau website, and if we have further questions, we should be able to come here and talk about them. Ohad doesn't have to build the website, he can just hire someone to do that. The website is one of the easiest jobs in this whole thing and should be the first thing taken care of. That is one of the initial ways of getting people aboard your project. When you look at the website, it looks like something done by a middle schooler. Around the online cryptocurrency world, I have seen many people set off by the project because the website is shit. And you're saying if we don't understand what he's trying to build this place isn't for us? So instead of a place we can go to get educated on what he is trying to build, we should just leave. wow you would be great at PR. New users are not going to read through 100+ pages of this forum. Humans have low attention spans. This is why I humbly request Ohad to have someone work on his website and get that done first. Ohad can keep working on the Tau platform while someone else works on the website because IT WILL HELP raise more funds for the project in the long run. Original investors don't mean shit. You guys are already in it for the long run. You need NEW investors to raise more money for this project and the best way to do that is to firstly get a better website. Secondly, you need to UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE on the progress of your work. No one new is going to want to invest when they see that you haven't updated your website in almost a year. I know, Ohad, you need time to work on the project, but you really need to hire others to take care of the rest. My apologies if I didn't sound cool with newcomers and I hear you brother. All of these things are valid points. There are reasons to why we've pushed Ohad to focus on the project, instead of things that are purely cosmetic. I myself run a team of designers and can change the website if needed but when discussing with Ohad you can see this is purely about product. I myself have developed tech and if there's one thing I know from tech is that, the biggest beneficial impact to everyone is the product. We need to show something tangible, otherwise people will come to the website en mass and say "where's the product" and then he's one month lost where he could've spent building product. Trust me, when it's time, the website will look awesome and there will be a time, even I am looking forward to it. These are the kinds of things that newcomers will need to get to grips with. |
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So.... wheres the update that was supposed to happen...
in 38 mins Looking forward to hearing from you but most updates should be told on your WEBSITE, not here. In its current state, this project is for long term investors and traders. If you are neither, I don't think this is the right place for you right now. You should be looking for projects that you want to work with and things that make you happy. You're clearly not happy so, in my view you should find a project that you truly believe in. I've found a few I believe in a lot actually. I'm already invested in them. I'm going to see his next update and make my decision from there if this project is worth getting into again. But how much longer are you willing to hold? Another 3 years? What if the project still isn't done then... Honestly, I think if something is great, who cares how long it takes? It depends on your ability to be patient, and with startups you must trust the owner, as that's all you have. Everyone's appetite is different. Do what you feel really comfortable with never discussing again. Because for you, this is speculative and with speculative bets you must able to say "hey ho, that was fun, what's next" if you can't say that you've likely put in too much or you weren't really for the investment in the first place. You must be a very patient man because three years with nothing to show is too long for me. Thank you brother, i'll take that as a compliment  |
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