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make me an offer i cannot refuse and ill take the whole lot.
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Scam confirmed. This is the withdraw 2016-10-05 03:29:35 1.49925 DASH XbzVogLkeKcqH8Qw5Dut2AWEUJqxArM5gp Pending Since there are no warnings/info that the exchange is closed/dropped and IT DOES accept deposits and new user registrations, then it's only SCAM! Wrap it any way you want, in the end it is just a scam PS: the only anon here is you begging for money. Quickseller has good history on this forum, my account is 3 years old, yours is very shady So, want to clear the scam accusations? Then all you got to do is make sure my withdraw from your exchange gets sent, as it stuck in pending for 2+ days now. If you don't, then we'll all know you're just a small time scammer, until then i'll give you the benefit of doubt, as in innocent until proven guilty. Let me know which one it is Now where is Lauda [...] who promoted this ponzi scaming site for almost a month and no one asked them a single word?
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Edit: I read somewhere someone asked Ace Group about legitimacy of the site(Ledengs of tommorrwo) and they replied that all team members check the site their self and after confirming everything they started promoting that.
I think his connection to LOT should be fairly obvious if you ask me. Lauda was the one within LOT who was the most supportive/sympathetic of LOT within ACE anything been claimed from us yet? scam? theft? gone MIA? stop picking at ACE and LOT for your personal issues with a user. also, there is no connection to Lauda. he had a service. we hired. they checked. and thats it in your mind you are not understanding why we are still here and no one claimed being stolen. thats why you try keep this thread alive as much as you can. we have closed the exchange service as it was not running and found many bugs. we dropped the project weeks ago. in any case the whole project is under discussion and we will probably sell it. buyer contacted us already. however let me know what deposit and what transaction you made and i will get it sorted out. if the buyer agrees on the amount we are going to sell all 4 projects within the next week. we also made sure the project is rebranded within end of this year. p.s; quickseller and anors will continue the hate rant as usual, but its okay. life goes on with or without them kid, if you want to play a game, buy a jigsaw puzzle of 4 pieces and play. the dash address has received no transaction as it does not exist. maybe you deposited another currency, but even though, no deposit was made on any of our address. as for the "my account is 3 year old" the last post before 4th august 2016 is 17 august 2015. the 4th august post is in a giveaway thread of 1000btc. that shows a lot of your character i can buy a 2011 account and say my account is 5years old. that is the dumbest line you said, made me go through your past posts. the admins told me to send you the few bucks you are begging for even if you are trying to scam accuse us in hope of getting it for free. however, after a little research on your profile. i can honestly tell you to GTFO  you are trying to scam $10ish.. you must be desperate. very desperate. |
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So, want to clear the scam accusations? Then all you got to do is make sure my withdraw from your exchange gets sent, as it stuck in pending for 2+ days now. If you don't, then we'll all know you're just a small time scammer, until then i'll give you the benefit of doubt, as in innocent until proven guilty. Let me know which one it is Now where is Lauda [...] who promoted this ponzi scaming site for almost a month and no one asked them a single word?
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Edit: I read somewhere someone asked Ace Group about legitimacy of the site(Ledengs of tommorrwo) and they replied that all team members check the site their self and after confirming everything they started promoting that.
I think his connection to LOT should be fairly obvious if you ask me. Lauda was the one within LOT who was the most supportive/sympathetic of LOT within ACE anything been claimed from us yet? scam? theft? gone MIA? stop picking at ACE and LOT for your personal issues with a user. also, there is no connection to Lauda. he had a service. we hired. they checked. and thats it in your mind you are not understanding why we are still here and no one claimed being stolen. thats why you try keep this thread alive as much as you can. we have closed the exchange service as it was not running and found many bugs. we dropped the project weeks ago. in any case the whole project is under discussion and we will probably sell it. buyer contacted us already. however let me know what deposit and what transaction you made and i will get it sorted out. if the buyer agrees on the amount we are going to sell all 4 projects within the next week. we also made sure the project is rebranded within end of this year. p.s; quickseller and anors will continue the hate rant as usual, but its okay. life goes on with or without them |
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Now where is Lauda [...] who promoted this ponzi scaming site for almost a month and no one asked them a single word?
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Edit: I read somewhere someone asked Ace Group about legitimacy of the site(Ledengs of tommorrwo) and they replied that all team members check the site their self and after confirming everything they started promoting that.
I think his connection to LOT should be fairly obvious if you ask me. Lauda was the one within LOT who was the most supportive/sympathetic of LOT within ACE anything been claimed from us yet? scam? theft? gone MIA? stop picking at ACE and LOT for your personal issues with a user. also, there is no connection to Lauda. he had a service. we hired. they checked. and thats it in your mind you are not understanding why we are still here and no one claimed being stolen. thats why you try keep this thread alive as much as you can. |
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Now where is Lauda and His Ace signature Team? who promoted this ponzi scaming site for almost a month and no one told them a single word?
@cryptodevil and @Lutpin ! don't you guys think they should be also blamed for promoting a Ponzi site? or this thing only apply on newbies and low ranked users? Staff members are free to do anything?
we are still working smooth without complaints and are even in more projects... your accusation is irrelevant You answering for yourself or Ace? why would we answer for Ace? o.O no, we are answering for ourselves. |
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Now where is Lauda and His Ace signature Team? who promoted this ponzi scaming site for almost a month and no one told them a single word?
@cryptodevil and @Lutpin ! don't you guys think they should be also blamed for promoting a Ponzi site? or this thing only apply on newbies and low ranked users? Staff members are free to do anything?
we are still working smooth without complaints and are even in more projects... your accusation is irrelevant |
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we consider it our investors best interest not trading.
It was your in your investors best interests to trade btc to USD and back again. But you were supposed to do it with your 1.8 btc on their behalf, not their 1.8 btc which was supposedly never going to be touched for any of your services according to you. So, with regards to your negative rating which is currently serving to alert people to your demonstrably untrustworthy actions, if you wish it removed you have to edit out all claims to how you will use your own funds for your services and leave theirs untouched. Because it isn't true. Or you could open a complaint thread about your rating in a futile attempt to continue deflecting from your lies. The choice is yours. you are very confused. we could have not done anything and let the 1.8 remain 1.8 rather than instant convert it and give the investors back more. however let me remind you that you are crying about 1.8btc being moved. we have proved over 50btc each in several wallets. in your opinion that 1.8btc being moved is the problem or you are trying to find an issue and make it look like its a problem. let me remind you that nobody has claimed being scammed till now. if that was the case, after our investors see your post they would have immediately backed out and publicly claim the funds. however that wasnt done. you are in total denial about us. you may have been a good user to bust scams and what else, but this time you have hit a road block. |
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you would excuse me but the investors are fully aware of the move and they know the reason for it. so if youre not an investor of the system, you could not know about informations that are shared. correct?
That depends on how reliable you want the information that you post in this thread to be. And yeah, I'll excuse you this time. But not again. I'm sure you consider yourself to be smartly negating questions with your circular replies and ad hominems, but as it all seems to be made up as you go along I doubt that many outside observers would agreed with you. Apart from, maybe, your investors who aren't investors that you trade for but don't trade for with their money your money. Reading back, your whole bizarre gambit with claims of substantial capital so "we don't need your investment" becomes more and more absurd. As was remarked earlier, this should be in "Investor Games" for the amount of credibility it has, but I guess doesn't qualify because of the low returns (unless someone decides to drop you 50+ btc, of course. That you don't need). the 1.8btc moved was NOT used for trading....we sold at 650ish and rebought at 490-500. WTF do you call it then? we consider it our investors best interest not trading. |
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More deflection attempts with false analogy
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The 1.8 BTC was perfectly safe where it was. A crash in the fiat price of BTC still leaves 1.8 BTC in the deposit address. If you wanted to trade 1.8 BTC-worth of coins so you could make a profit for your investors out of the market movements you were supposed to use 1.8 of your own bitcoin to do so, according to your own words in the OP and throughout this thread, and then give the profit to the investors, leaving their 1.8 BTC sitting happily, untouched, in the deposit address, as you originally and repeatedly assured everybody would be the case. This was not the case. So you need to edit out all your many claims in this thread that you will leave investor funds untouched, because clearly that is a lie. we prefer to let it as it is and put a reference to this thread for misunderstanding to be cleared. compared to your logic, we take the interest of our investors first. not let them drown with the funds invested. investment was done from our wallets. bitfinex hack was unexpected. however after the hack was made public it was obvious the price will crash then restabilize thus the action undertaken was in the interest of our investors not our own. had they said not to convert to usd and keep it in btc, it would have been done. but they understood the reason of us doing it and thus it was done. with their consent. now coming back to the negative trust you put. i would request you to neutral it rather than leave it negative. however if it stays negative, then we will surely have to have a mod intervention to clear the air and he might understand better what you did not. |
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which part of everything we explained and the reason given for the move did you not understand?
The part where you claimed you'd not move investor deposits to trade with because you'd use your own funds but then went and moved the investor deposits to trade with, instead of using your own funds. based on your "logic" if a boat is sinking you let the boat sink and you dont think about the people on the boat because you told the people on the boat you will not transfer them to another boat until destination. if the boat sinks, doesnt matter, as long as you have not moved the people on the boat to another one. sorry to say but thats bullish. thanks for bumping my post daily. i think we're done here |
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More talk of how he used investor funds to trade with but how that somehow doesn't equate to using investor funds to trade with
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The funds invested will not move...
instead like all of our services we provide, we will issue payouts, withdrawals and investments using our own funds.
This is done for transparency and to avoid baseless scam accusations.
Which part of the bold text says you will use investor funds for any of your services? which part of everything we explained and the reason given for the move did you not understand? |
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You were supposed to be conducting these trades with your own coins, yes?
This way the 1.8 btc of investor deposits would stay where it was and you would, instead, perform the trade with 1.8 btc of your own coins and pay the profit from the deal to the investors.
That is the entire premise of your platform.
Why did you not do it that way when you said you would?
makes me wonder if you even read any of my reply instead of constantly saying the same thing over and over again. please refer upwards this comment and read properly what happened. or let me explain again. the 1.8btc moved was NOT used for trading. we informed the investors the price will plummet due to bitfinex hack. we said if we can sell it high, then rebuy low and the amount of gain will either be used to add on their investment or sent back to them. they chose to be sent back to them. we sold at 650ish and rebought at 490-500. the 150ish "excess" was sent to them. the 1.8btc resent to an address which they know. it was not done for trading. it was done for our investors advantage. you better understand the process instead of over repeating yourself. |
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the funds of the investors were not used for trading etc and xmr. But they were used for trading: the funds of investors were converted to usd at high, then rebought btc at low.
Your OP announcement states you will not use investor deposits for this, that you will use your own funds.
The funds invested will not move...
instead like all of our services we provide, we will issue payouts, withdrawals and investments using our own funds.
This is done for transparency and to avoid baseless scam accusations.
So, the question still stands, why did you not use 1.8 btc of your own coins to make that trade from btc to usd and back again?
That was the entire premise of your OP. That you would use your own coins and not the investors' coins. dude. seriously?? you high?? |
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its not about "lies" or "truth" its about whats best for those who trust us.
It absolutely is about lies and truth. What is best for those people who trust you is for you not to lie. Why did you not use your own 1.8 btc to trade with? As you repeatedly assured people you would be doing. You were supposed to be using your own money for the trading. Why did you not perform those trades with your own bitcoin? you are in denial. the funds of the investors were not used for trading etc and xmr. the funds of investors were converted to usd at high, then rebought btc at low. then sent the excess btc amount back to them and the invested amount returned to an address sent to them. you have understood nothing about my previous comment and still accusing us. |
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btw, get in xmr now, and get out at 0.023 less than 24hours |
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to reply your other claim.
yes, we went in etc and xmr.
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So, if we consider that the above reply to my post is that you do, indeed, have hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal, then you lied about using them for your trading instead of investor deposits.
The question is, why? Why did you lie about how you were going to use your own funds and leave investor deposits untouched?
can you please tell me how you got to this conclusion? you are confused my friend. Are you moronically stupid, or just pretending to be? 1. You claimed you would use your own funds for trading and leave investor funds in their deposit addresses. 2. But you then went and moved the deposits from their address and said it was because you used them for trading on ETC and XMR Ergo, you lied when you claimed you would use your own funds and leave investor funds in their deposit addresses. How much simpler do you need this to be? You lied about how you would not be moving investor deposits. It doesn't matter what excuse you think is reasonable, if you say one thing but then your actions prove that you are doing the opposite of what you say, that makes you a liar. Do you understand this very simple logical path? Why did you lie and move the investor deposits when you said you would not? the simple answer to your "logical" statement is : investors were asked that due to the bitfinex hack, the btc price will auto crash. and if they would like us to move their funds to usd then buy back at lower rate. to which we did and the investors know the new address where their fund are deposited. to which our team does not take any amount from the funds and the total profit is for the investors only. its not based on our investment programme. it was just to show the investors how our organization works. its not about "lies" or "truth" its about whats best for those who trust us. it was inevitable the price of btc will fall after bitfinex got hacked. so we rebought at lower and the profit that was made in the process is not for us. its for the investors. BUT the "added amount" is not added to their initial investment. their investment for the organization stays at the stated % for the amount they have initially deposited. the added amount after rebuy has been discussed and they did not want to re invest the amount. so their deposit stays at the initial amount from the beginning, and the added amount after rebuy was sent to them. however after understanding how we work, the first investor came back with another investment after the process was fruitful for him. undisclosed amount as per their request. i also cannot state their usernames as i have been told not to. however after reading the drama on this post, they have said if needed be, they were willing to sign their initial deposit address to show that they still appreciate our work despite you and your friend trying to tag us with the "scammer" tag |
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Yet more obvious avoidance of answering to the objective facts.
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You moved a mere 1.8btc after stating you wouldn't, yet claim to have hundreds at your disposal. This objectively proves you either do not have the ability to trade without using your investor deposits, meaning you are lying about having hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal, or you do have hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal and are just lying about intending to using them to ensure your investor deposits do not need to be touched by you. Either way you've proved yourself to be a liar. Am I wrong? several addresses were signed at different times all their balances were 50 and over. so you can talk, but thats it. no proof No proof of what? I haven't said anything which required proof other than your own statements and actions. So, if we consider that the above reply to my post is that you do, indeed, have hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal, then you lied about using them for your trading instead of investor deposits.The question is, why? Why did you lie about how you were going to use your own funds and leave investor deposits untouched? can you please tell me how you got to this conclusion? you are confused my friend. |
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Claiming that you "do not need" investor funds makes it clear that you are intending on stealing funds from your investors.
If you really didn't need money from investors then you would not be soliciting people to send you money. By collecting money you claim you do not need, and claiming to not use money you receive from investors, you are effectively giving away money, but forcing people into trusting you with money in order to give away money makes little sense -- why don't you simply host a giveaway?
The restrictions on the ability to withdraw from your "investments" means that there is nearly zero chance that you will receive scam accusations for at least a year, even though you are scammers the whole time.
2299 views accusations but no proof, but no scam daily bump exposure free advertising |
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Yet more obvious avoidance of answering to the objective facts.
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You moved a mere 1.8btc after stating you wouldn't, yet claim to have hundreds at your disposal. This objectively proves you either do not have the ability to trade without using your investor deposits, meaning you are lying about having hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal, or you do have hundreds of bitcoin at your disposal and are just lying about intending to using them to ensure your investor deposits do not need to be touched by you. Either way you've proved yourself to be a liar. Am I wrong? several addresses were signed at different times all their balances were 50 and over. so you can talk, but thats it. no proof |
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