He's still active in IRC. I chatted with him on Sept. 22th.

Wie ist denn gerade der aktuelle Stand. Wo erreicht man Simon oder einen Vertreter bzgl. Auszahlung. Meine Auszahlung wurde am 19. März angewiesen und bis Heute kam nix an. Dreht sich um mehr als 10k€. Bitcoin-24.com scheint wohl nun nichts mehr mit SH zu tun zu haben.

He could, but at least what I got from the conversion the trolls are affecting him. I mean it's hard to ignore some people throwing out personal data and threatening his family (IIRC that happened in some of those threads) on every post he writes. So his strategy became only to come out with substantial information. The first information should be soon enough to sit around a bit more.

Sorry that I wasn't clear enough about that. Ukyo told me in IRC that he will launch the claim portal which will include a discussion platform. This sounds to me a better communication platform than here.

I agree on that and I'm also not happy with this. But I believe that Ukyo came unwillingly into a situation where it's simply impossible to generate dividends. But Ukyo told me an approximate time frame when he's expecting to pay back the interests and continue to pay back dividends daily. He even gave an estimation when the loan should be payed back completely. I won't post that here, but would in the claim discussion platform or better let Ukyo himself give a statement. If you want I can PM you those frame. Given the huge amount of BTC and the WeEx issue it sounds reasonable for me to sit around for that given time.

Please be aware that this is the loan thread. Don't mix the WeEx issue into this topic. AFAIR the contract clearly states it's a personal loan. Ukyo doesn't need to explain what he does with the loan.

Regarding the time frame. Imagine you get a loan of 2000 BTC from your bank. What time frame do you expect for paying that back? The loan contract we all agreed on used that wording:
Please apply the facts that Ukyo lost the income of bitfunder, might have some BTC of the loan itself stuck in the WeEx issue plus now every holder seem to claim back their loan shares. 5 month seems more than unrealistic for that.

What would you do if everything what you write erupts in an emotional troll opera?

I just had a nice conversion in IRC. He didn't stop responding on purpose (just too much spam and focus on more important things). I won't feed the trolls with the log plus there's nothing substantial in it at all.

But I will tell you what I will do. On Sunday it's new year here. You are supposed to stay absolutely calm, not leave the house, limit the consume of electricity to a minimum i.e. not reading this thread. I will extend the latter for the further weeks and continue to follow a reasonable communication in the closed discussion platform of the claim portal.

Confirmed. BTC were credited to my account.

I tried to deposit today some BTC on my Havelock deposit address. Those BTC arrived there plus someone transferred them elsewhere further. Those BTC did not appear in my havelock account. I'm just posting in case I'm not the only one. I'm currently waiting for a support response.

I learned that this is not possible in this forum. The closest I could do is opening a self moderated thread and remove unwanted noise. That's not really what I had on mind when talking about a "closed thread". Plus I'm in a situation where I don't have that time. What I could easily do is setting up a dedicated forum for this matter. But I don't know if this is an acceptable alternative. I would also be happy to fly to a meeting where we all sit on a table with Ukyo and discuss the situation (I hate live meetings).

I'm very undecided about what to do with this loan situation. Before this Activeminer guy I was in a relaxed sit and wait mood, but this is unfortunately no more acceptable. The best would be active communication with Ukyo. I'd like to know what the current state is and what we have to expect for the future. And I want deadline. I contacted him vainly on several channels (but I'll try more). So I doubt there will come more information (especially not in this thread).

The next step would be for me personally to file a complaint. But only because it's easy and free. I don't expect much from it as my country is far away from Ukyo.

So next I would get legal advice from a lawyer closer to Ukyo's location and follow them. At this phase we're all in the same shoes. It's a time and cost intensive process. So it seems natural for me to aggregate. I'm also curious about the actions of the other holders.

Indeed I was thinking about flying on the other side of the world and sit together on a table.

It's a group of ~30 persons in different time zones. Asynchronous conversation seems to fit quit well for the beginning.

I'd like to have a private discussion with a closed set of participants. It does not necessarily be private for reading, but posting must definitely be restricted to that set. Does this forum offer a possibility for this kind of discussion? If yes, how?

No one questions this. And this is also one motivation of becoming active. Entities are getting their part of the pie before the rest (I refer to that Activemining situation).

There are people involved with >100BTC in Ukyo.Loan. Considering the available information, sitting around and waiting seems to me no more viable. We all have the same interest in this story. It seems to me natural to aggregate resources and come together (with Ukyo) in a constructive discussion to a viable solution.

A thread where people are repeating non constructive accusations, verbal harassments and even personal threats (or was it the WeEx thread… I might mix them up) is no space for a constructive discussion with Ukyo. Going into a closed thread with a reasonable threshold seemed to me a attempt to find a progressing solution. Again: Nobody will put their interests above others! It's just about making progress. At the end everybody will be treated equally. I just want to find together a reasonable strategy for this story.

If you have a better solution I'm more than happy to learn about it. I'm so sorry but I came to a part where just sitting around and waiting with no information is no more viable for me.

I'm more than happy to do that (although I started to enjoy the "ignore" function in this thread).

A threshold of 10BTC was just a random suggestion without knowing the affected addresses. So ~10BTC would qualify 36 addresses. Is this acceptable? I'm just so bored of some non-constructive disrupting entities.

I would suggest to stick with those 36 people (?) for the beginning and concentrate on a constructive process between Ukyo and its Ukyo.Loan debtees. No WeEx and no Graet.Loan. We can of course discuss the inclusion of more people in that thread.

Sure, maybe I was a bit too unclear. Of course the services should have implemented security (like banks don't have to be Fort Nox, but still do have some security implementations). But I'm still wondering why there seems to be no communication with the insurance industry. There's IMO enough money involved to build a contract. I'm just imagining how users will react on a service which might not be the cheapest, but covered against hacker theft by an insurance (which implies massive security implementations).

The story about getting hacked and having to close down is so old, boring and it still happens and obviously will happen in the future. I don't get why those service just can't have a look what banks are doing when they get robbed. There's so much money involved, I can't believe that there's no insurance who doesn't want to get its part of the pie.

Gox is out, OK. But there are still some other services in the game. Maybe some magic fairy might fly to those services and whisper not to waste all resources on security but start negotiations with insurances.

_{Disclaimer: I don't know in which of those forums this topic is OT. Feel free to move it.}

Could you please quote his word regarding a time frame? AFAIR nobody who was involved gave ever an ETA.
I don't see where somebody is not keeping his word. Plus I don't see a benefit from a statement
of Danny that he would be no longer involved.

Ist mir klar. Der Betrag ist allerdings hoch genug so dass ich das bei 'nem Experten outsourcen möchte. 1000€ mehr fällt nicht großartig ins Gewicht.

Danke für diesen guten Hinweis. Das macht natürlich Sinn das zusätzlich anzustoßen.

Eine Empfehlung per PM, wennste willst leite ich Dir die weiter.

Weil ich eben Null Ahnung davon habe will ich das von einem Anwalt machen lassen, bzw. mich erstmal beraten lassen.

Hi
Kann mir mal wer empfehlen nach was für 'ne Art Anwalt ich suchen muss bei der ganzen Ukyo.Loan Geschichte? Evtl. gleich 'ne konkrete Empfehlung. Wenn Anwalt in USA besser ist, ist das auch kein Ding.
Hintergrund: Ukyo.Loan ist ein BTC Kredit an den Betreiber von bitfunder.com. Es gibt seit Monaten weder Zinsen noch wird der Kredit zurückgezahlt. Informationen sind auch spärlich. Ukyo ist Afaik in USA ansässig.

You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

Guys I'm a bit worried now about that ActM seizing thing. I'm posting here, cause my main interest is in the Loan. Until now I'm mostly passive watching the whole story. But I see now a scenario where active participation might be advisable. As Ukyo gives zero information about our expectation I have to be prepared for the worst. Now there is this one ActM guy which seizes Ukyo's shares to clear Ukyo's debt with him. In some not so good scenarios this acts against our interests as this guy is getting a big cut from funds which could otherwise be used to clear our debts. I think Ukyo did even explicitly state that Ukyo Loan went (partly) into ActM. I think it would be in our (Ukyo Loan) interest to do something against that situation. Actually Ukyo, you should in first place react on that. What is your plan? Has anybody here already communication with a lawyer? Any advises from him on this new situation? I'm a bit tied here in SO-Asia and didn't plan to council a lawyer before July. But now I'm reconsidering my options.