After talking to a few others it seems ethereums POS is nothing like the POS with other alts.
From what I can gather you will require a minimum of 1250 ethereum and even then only 250 persons will be chosen or elected as validators? even then you could be fined ether if you dont have the required bw or resources to validate at any given time?

Also only the first few slots are available at 1250 it scales up rather harshly after that?

Is there a reason only 250 people will secure the network? Is the reason speed?  would it not make it more vulnerable to attack having so few validators? or not?

Who understands the ethereum POS method and the reasons behind it?

Someone on here had listed what appeared to be some big advantages  zcoin had over zcash. I can't seem to find them now.

Are there some worthy advantages?

Also are these bound to get forked and the 20% tax removed pretty soon? Not that I'm sure removing development tax altogether is a good thing but is there anything stopping this and why not more zcoin clones already?

edit - found the thread now...

Then you have to try and fill out some migration form that does not accept your old user and pass.

Contact ripple.... no reply.

When did they remove the login part from their website?

anyone have any clues as to who those scammers are? they were long term members of the coin2 community too.
Someone must have the doxx on them?

I just got told by a little bird stoat is the guy who raided all the ethereum? true or just rumour?

This maniac spammer has gone wild on this board lately. Are the mods allowing this kind of blatant spamming and post bumping over and over daily from these scammers now??

CFB needs to dial down the spam levels on these bots. They are becoming far too obvious.

Is it totally okay to bump perhaps 10 threads over with the only obvious motive of promoting and pumping scams like iota?

Since vicodin can't resist telling us (over and over and over on the main board) to buy his 130 sats tokens for 10,000sats that he grabbed up on the stealthy ico for iota (the latest scam from the nxt1 crew of progscammers that exited that project and now need more of your btc) let's find out just how much people really would pay for such tokens of unproven/untested usefulness or functionality.  

There is no need to discuss the scammy nature of the ico distribution for this one it has been compared to other big properly advertised ICO's and found wanting, they tell us they did not want to waste money (a few crumbs for social media bounties or banner advertising or mention on the main board with any conviction well not 100th of the conviction they are showing now with main board spam every 5 mins now they hoarded all the tokens) to raise 20x the capital to invest in it like the other icos. I mean that makes a lot of sense. We won't give out a few free coins to raise 20x more funds? okay sound reasonable.

There are perhaps 10 - 20 regular pumpers and protectors of this iota scam - I won't include cfb and david since they are obvious.

Vicodin - hyper pumper of iota (probable scam) - starts crazy pump threads every few days.
btcxyzzz- Iota pumper supporter - on vast majority of pump threads boosting and protecting
winterzauber - Iota pumper - enjoyable noob pumper
snail2 - iota stealth pumper - view his post history to confirm - very sneaky - watch his style.
liqio - iota pumper and protector - on every iota post in main forum.
runall - iota pumper and protector - view post history on the main board also check out iota unmoderated thread.
wizzardtim - another pumper  for iota - always on vicodins threads adding his own pump comments.
blackwidow - new puppet account iota pumper/protector - wild spamming and pumping

there are a few others I will add them as they pop up or remember who they are exactly.



Vicodin says that since he invested 5 btc at launch (although he is probably a sock puppet of another insider who owns huge % of all the iota scam tokens) in an ICO you never heard of before it was over and they started spamming the main board you now have to pay him 385 BTC if you want to buy them from him.  

This is how ico scams operate. They do not want to raise much development funds because they have to share the tokens out more and therefore they can not hoard supply and manipulate the price they charge you. Should we reward them for this? or should we say NO thanks next time you run an ICO then advertise it like all the other big ICOs you probably did hear about before they were over...LISK, ETHEREUM, NEM, MAID ETC

ICO's on here are non transparent and unregulated. This mean those running them can do exactly what they like behind a closed curtain. The best you have hope for it to make them advertise and distribute the tokens as widely as they can so they can not hoard and ransome off the tokens for extortional rates after the ico is over. They should also have a large 50% minimum POW mining period which is far harder for them to game/control entirely.

Let's start to punish those that are unfair and reward those that are fair.

I asked them to do a 2nd ICO to

a/ give everyone a chance to invest at 130sats or at a cheap rate anyway
b/ raise more funds for their project.

why is there trading of these ico token before they are even released anyway? whenever this happens you see the same thing crazy insane prices being demanded whilst they pump and hype whilst controlling supply. They can not usually do that when it reaches exchange. However in this case whilst so few people hold the vast majority of the coins even when it does reach exchange they can simply sell them back and forth to each other for ages whilst establilshing a psychological ground price for the coin at exaggerated levels. Best to fix the price in your mind now what you would pay for such tokens and not exceed it at any point.

Usually I take a keen interest in scams. But after the same people pulling this with nxt1 they should not be rewarded for doing it a second time and trying to do it on a larger scale.  There needs to be a message send to ico scammers that they need play fair with the entire board or be treated as pariah projects and shunned by the entire community. Let's reward the fair projects not the unfair.

I am not only focusing on IOTA (as you can see from my other posts) we should highlight all scams and start weeding them out. It is time for fair opportunities for all on this board not just a few insiders and devs. You keep scamming people out of their BTC with only the same few gaining over and over and crypto will never become popular.

If you have any comments how we can force ICO devs/operators to operate in a more fair manner than they do now please leave a suggestion. I think if we had a few set-in-stone guidelines for conducting ICO's on here then this type of thing would not happen.

I sadly missed this ICO when it was running.

I like reading through the thread though because these guys seem rather open with their scam/non scam considering their id's are well known?

Did this guy really take 1.2M promising the ico investors one project then just use those funds to develop another project entirely for himself?

Or will this new paykey project benefit the getgemz investors?

If the ICO funds were not used in anyway to fund this new project where are the funds? is this telegram rebrand all you get now a days for 1.2M in an ICO?

The thread seems a mishmash of opinions? Is there a clear story here with the full facts?

Who is this Daniel I've heard mentioned? surely if his id is known he wouldn't really care to screw over so many people whilst telling them all about his new project that is looking far more successful and apparently funded by the ico investors who will not stand to benefit at all? or will they?

Very interesting project so far.

They've been waiting for the gui to pump this

I see they have started now.

They got their tokens for 150 sats now they want to sell them to you for 10,000 sats.

Another stealth ICO scam.

Hardly a mention here when they were sneakily buying for 150 sats, now you  will see this main board totally bombarded with threads about IOTA scam tokens now they are trying to sell for 10,000 sats.

It's like handful of snr and above and lots of puppet accounts noob accounts.

Let them have 100% returns and offer them 300 sats if they are lucky.

The list of highly probable posters that will show up soon claiming their 150 sats tokens are now worth 10,000 sats are

Vicodin - hyper pumper of iota (probable scam) - starts crazy pump threads every few days.
btcxyzzz- Iota pumper supporter - on vast majority of pump threads boosting and protecting
winterzauber - Iota pumper - enjoyable noob pumper
snail2 - iota stealth pumper - view his post history to confirm - very sneaky - watch his style.
liqio - iota pumper and protector - on every iota post in main forum.
runall - iota pumper and protector - view post history on the main board also check out iota unmoderated thread.
wizzardtim - another pumper  for iota - always on vicodins threads adding his own pump comments.
These pumpers have 100's of 1000's or even millions of these tokens they got for NOTHING and trying to unload these for $1 each.

Worst ICO i have seen in a while.

Not that this coin is worth mentioning really. Hopefully will just sink back to the graveyard where it came from.

However,just because you may want to collect some junk be aware this coin is a swap scam

Many people were caught out by this swap and the person swapping the coins vanished from both forums for several days before turning up after the swap date and saying all swaps are now cancelled leaving many that could not swap.

So  you find out there is a coin swap. There are instructions but even after following them you get no corgi2 coins coming through. Some people are saying they got some. You send a few to test...you get nothing. You try contacting him in public on both threads for days and day. No reply he has vanished. You decide to wait until he reappears. Sadly this is after deadline and he says sorry no more swaps.

1. where are the corgi 1 coins  are they proven to be destroyed
2. what about the surplus corgi2 coins? did he just keep them all? probably about 50% of the minting.

This is one of the worst and most scammy swaps I ever have seen.
He now just deletes from his self moderated thread any comments from people will valid coin claims even those that were trying to reach him days before the swap date deadline.

Corgi2 is now a scam coin.

Are they about to go full cryptsy? I used to like that exchange. Now going full scam enablers??

Why else would they list a full on scam coin like steem?  oh sorry an honestly very unfair coin. Whilst being so unfair still proclaims no instamine and no premine?
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Here is what i first read by eclipse crypto dev

"The reasoning behind not having windows binaries is that the devs continue to use their insider knowledge to fuck over the community.

The list of how they do this is growing longer.

Most recently you will notice that they offered someone a position as a witness. How are they able to offer this position? Because they have now secured all control over this coin by using this concept of vests. This coin is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED NOW.

Here's how they did it:

First, they did a typical instamine/flashmine/freemine scam (yes scam) where they released

(1) no compiled wallets
(2) no instructions to build
(3) incomplete and inaccurate instructions to mine

This wasn't bad enough. After the first 12 or so hours of mining, all their miners crashed, exposing that they were mining to 100 different witnesses to hide the fact that they (he) was one entity. The devs wouldn't have been caught except that their mining instructions were wrong, and no one else was mining because, even if they couldn't get the client to build, they entered mining commands that caused them to get no blocks. The devs will claim this isn't on purpose, but check the original thread. You'll see that no one mined a block when the dev's miners were down.

Then, as I have stated many times, when their miners crashed again, I mined a significant amount of steem that night in their absence. To prevent my vesting that and driving the price of vests up on them, they relaunched to ensure COMPLETE CONTROL AND CENTRALIZATION.

After the relaunch, no one would challenge them on mining because if they did, the devs would just relaunch this scamcoin again. So, no one who pays attention (and the people who have the means to procure whatever hashes they want are also the people who are paying attention), would challenge them on the hashes. As they hoped, no one did and they completely dominated the hashes for 1 week.

Now after 1 week of hashing, they dump all their coins into vests, where the price of a vest goes up with the amount vested. This is not your typical stakeholding where one unit of currency is worth one stake. This is on purpose so that they can COMPLETELY CONTROL THIS COIN IN A CENTRALIZED WAY after just 1 week.

Vests don't cost 1 STEEM anymore like they did when the devs bought them. They now cost 5 STEEM. That means that you will need to dominate all the hashes for 5 weeks just to match the control the devs have after 1 week. They have driven your costs up by 5, not using the market, as should be done, but by using this freemine/threat-of-relaunch scam.

So, why don't we all just mine for 5 weeks and decentralize control ourselves? There are two main reasons.

First, anyone who is paying attention (this includes all smart people with BTC to throw at things like this) won't dump money on a scam like this. So you are going to get a bunch of gullible small timers who don't have the foresight to convert to vests anyway, even if vests were legit. The small timers just want to get a profit asap.

Second, there's only 3 more weeks left of true mining before delegated mining kicks in. Delegated mining is when the devs pick 19 "witnesses" to mine. Maybe they might pick one or two legit miners, but the most likely scenario, given the scam they have perpetrated so far, is that they will pick at least 17 instances of themselves to mine.

In other words, it's impossible now to decentralize this coin because the devs have rigged it since the beginning. Not only that, they will be getting all the coins, unchallenged, for as small of a price as they want to pay.

By the way, I'm keeping track here. The devs are going to have to stay low and so will this coin. If it ever gets big, then these devs will be fucked because they will not be able to deny they control the entire currency."


Then I read this a page later from eclipse crypto dev

"And I've been mining while I've been fudding.

Hate me? Consider it "chess". Wink

TOTAL                  1357.000 STEEM    3676.733594 VESTS            0.000 SBD "


Eclipse crypto dev latest one

"I think you have a great idea here and am interested in being a witness, so I'm going to lay down my creds.

First of all, the Eclipse Crypto account is a join developer account. I originally used it to post in this thread because I was logged in as this account and forgot to log out. I thought it would be a one-off post but then it kind of exploded. The other Eclipse developers have been *very* understanding, and my apparent lunacy here is in no way a reflection of the Eclipse team.

From now on, I'll post in this thread as "Bubba-Gump".



Was he paid off in steems or just was fudding and scamming all along? either way would you want a dev like this in charge of your eclipse crypto currency. I would be selling that at once if I had any I would be.


BITTREX needs to explain this listing or else I think it is time to seriously worry about that place.
Did they not notice this coin is full on scam ??

Whilst you're about it remove eclipse too. I wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him after this debacle. Seriously these devs are getting more treacherous by the day.

Bittrex come on. I was hoping you would do some research before listing full scam coins. This needs to be reviewed and removed at once.

Have you noticed lately there are lots of coin swaps happening?

I have noticed that some are not giving hardly any notification and very little time for people to swap their coins over.

This seems to be like a total rip off.

I saw some guy commenting that he originally bought millions of X coin as long term investment. Came back and his coins are no longer usable because there was a coin swap and he is too late.

This is fair enough if you announce on the main thread, give months and months even years to swap over and there is a pot retained for late swappers. However I see some now giving no announcement and only a few weeks.

I mean you could go on vacation come back the swap has taken place and your coins are now essentially gone?

This coin swapping is another thing that should have specific guidelines really if it takes place. I would say minimum of a year to give people a chance and be advertised on the main forum. Also a % should be held back for late swaps that can prove they mined before the swap date.

Have you been a victim of a coin swap that essentially took your coins away? How much notice did you get and how helpful were they with you?

I know when coins break you may need to swap but seriously giving a few weeks with no announcements and no assistance then just saying sorry your coins are now junk is totally scandalous.

1. annoucements for months a head.
2. swap period many many months
3. announce on the main board.
4. hold reserves for a year after to pay late comers
5. proof of destroying the old coins too.

Let's not get into a pump discussion of particular coins. Let's just discuss the tech.

POS3 (rat4)

POSP (elambert)

These are the best yet of the POS systems?

What are the pros and negs of each vs each other or vs vanilla POS.

Also what are the advantage of

POS + POW  vs Pure POS of any kind.

Are their other variations that are as good or have advantages over either of these?

Let's not just hear POS is trash compared to POW. That is not the discussion here. I would like to see if anyone knows which of all the POS variations is best and for what reasons.

Let's not get into a pump discussion of particular coins. Let's just discuss the tech.

POS3 (rat4)

POSP (elambert)

These are the best yet of the POS systems?

What are the pros and negs of each vs each other or vs vanilla POS.

Also what are the advantage of

POS + POW  vs Pure POS of any kind.

Are their other variations that are as good or have advantages over either of these?

Let's not just hear POS is trash compared to POW. That is not the discussion here. I would like to see if anyone knows which of all the POS variations is best and for what reasons.

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF FUND RAISING FOR LTC DEVELOPMENT ONLY. ANYTHING ELSE AND NON HELPFUL COMMENTS WILL BE DELETED.

Some one posted a link to the ltc reddit so I could have a read. It seems the devs had said on several occasions that there is just no funding for any big dev projects and progress is very slow due to this issue.


I saw someone suggest adding a small reward per block that could go to a fully transparent development wallet with full ledger accounting for spends.

I think this is quite essential now. I mean they have no funds and I see even the latest android wallet was not a great attempt. The ios wallet is not there yet.

Nobody even responded to that devs suggestion. I guess people don't like asking for funds for things. However, if there is a transparent ledger that would be totally acceptable to me.

What do others think about this? If you do not think it is a good idea please give your reasoning behind it.

You can not expect to compete against coins that have a large development fund if you have zero development funds yourself.

Let's also bring some core LTC devs to discuss this here.

Anyone have any way of contacting the core developers and getting them to discuss this idea?

[IF YOU WANT CLIFF NOTES OF THIS SKIP TO MY 2ND POST BELOW TO REVIEW ECLIPSE CRYPTOS INTIAL ACCUSATIONS AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE HE SUPPLIES TO BACK UP HIS SCAM CLAIMS.]

I can't decide if this is a scam or not. I'm not kidding it is an honestly unfair coin apparently hehe

IF YOU WANT CLIFF NOTES OF THIS SKIP TO MY 2ND POST BELOW TO REVIEW ECLIPSE CRYPTOS INTIAL ACCUSATIONS AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE HE SUPPLIES TO BACK UP HIS SCAM CLAIMS.


clip from eclipse crypto dev - below...

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"The reasoning behind not having windows binaries is that the devs continue to use their insider knowledge to fuck over the community.

The list of how they do this is growing longer.

Most recently you will notice that they offered someone a position as a witness. How are they able to offer this position? Because they have now secured all control over this coin by using this concept of vests. This coin is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED NOW.

Here's how they did it:

First, they did a typical instamine/flashmine/freemine scam (yes scam) where they released

(1) no compiled wallets
(2) no instructions to build
(3) incomplete and inaccurate instructions to mine

This wasn't bad enough. After the first 12 or so hours of mining, all their miners crashed, exposing that they were mining to 100 different witnesses to hide the fact that they (he) was one entity. The devs wouldn't have been caught except that their mining instructions were wrong, and no one else was mining because, even if they couldn't get the client to build, they entered mining commands that caused them to get no blocks. The devs will claim this isn't on purpose, but check the original thread. You'll see that no one mined a block when the dev's miners were down.

Then, as I have stated many times, when their miners crashed again, I mined a significant amount of steem that night in their absence. To prevent my vesting that and driving the price of vests up on them, they relaunched to ensure COMPLETE CONTROL AND CENTRALIZATION.

After the relaunch, no one would challenge them on mining because if they did, the devs would just relaunch this scamcoin again. So, no one who pays attention (and the people who have the means to procure whatever hashes they want are also the people who are paying attention), would challenge them on the hashes. As they hoped, no one did and they completely dominated the hashes for 1 week.

Now after 1 week of hashing, they dump all their coins into vests, where the price of a vest goes up with the amount vested. This is not your typical stakeholding where one unit of currency is worth one stake. This is on purpose so that they can COMPLETELY CONTROL THIS COIN IN A CENTRALIZED WAY after just 1 week.

Vests don't cost 1 STEEM anymore like they did when the devs bought them. They now cost 5 STEEM. That means that you will need to dominate all the hashes for 5 weeks just to match the control the devs have after 1 week. They have driven your costs up by 5, not using the market, as should be done, but by using this freemine/threat-of-relaunch scam.

So, why don't we all just mine for 5 weeks and decentralize control ourselves? There are two main reasons.

First, anyone who is paying attention (this includes all smart people with BTC to throw at things like this) won't dump money on a scam like this. So you are going to get a bunch of gullible small timers who don't have the foresight to convert to vests anyway, even if vests were legit. The small timers just want to get a profit asap.

Second, there's only 3 more weeks left of true mining before delegated mining kicks in. Delegated mining is when the devs pick 19 "witnesses" to mine. Maybe they might pick one or two legit miners, but the most likely scenario, given the scam they have perpetrated so far, is that they will pick at least 17 instances of themselves to mine.

In other words, it's impossible now to decentralize this coin because the devs have rigged it since the beginning. Not only that, they will be getting all the coins, unchallenged, for as small of a price as they want to pay.

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The dev says it is not a scam there is no premine and no instamine. Sadly no windows qt for miners by desire so he has less mining competition, if he does get too much competition he will reset the coin again.

Then there was this guy

eclipse crypto - screaming it was a scam and they reset the coin because he mined more than the devs. He produced some evidence he mined a lot of steem tokens just before they reset the coin and relaunched it.

I mean we should believe him right?? he is a dev for some eclipse crypto. Would devs lie and admit it in public??

BUT wait now he is saying he was just fudding so he could mine more??? this guy is  a developer??

Anyway after a while it was decided it is not a scam because the developer of this coin steem says openly it is NOT MEANT TO BE FAIR?

So you can launch coins that are UNFAIR so long as you are honest??? I kind of agree this is better than saying it is fair and then making it unfair?

All you need to do is read the thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410943.0

or old one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1408726.0


Even if it is not a scam best all get over there now and mine it so they can't keep it all. Go widen that distribution. Don't let them vest it all and drip it out for huge returns.

Also make sure to avoid eclipse coin or whatever junk this dev pumps out because if steem is not a scam and he was just screaming scam to mine more steem then he must be a scammer or at the best very dishonest. I would not trust him as dev of any project because scamming is just chess to him.

Someone took HODL and mated it with bitshares?

No need for discussion read the thread and just vote ....it's a scam or it's not a scam.

All very confusing

1. is steem a scam? or just honestly unfair?
2. is eclipse crypto dev account hacked ?
3. is eclipse crypto correct and that fudding when all the while trying to mine more for yourself just like chess??
4. is eclipse cryto the coin to be trusted?

Is this the new breed of honestly unfair releases because it's all the govs fault for regulation.




Steeming pile of scam or steeming great coin idea. Hodl and bitshares combined.

Get your VPS on it now and get vesting. Or write it off as a scam. That's the question I guess.



Also please leave a comment so I can judge who you think is better or worse bad or least good out of

1.steem dev with his honestly very unfair coin which he tried to mine looking like 100 different people

or

2. eclipse crypto dev - who reveals it for being very unfair and even calls it a scam only to then say he was fudding and mining all along and now begging for witness status?

I mean who is least bad here? Please let me know.

[LIST OF PUMPERS -]

Check this list for known pumpers and scammers of certain projects or scams.

Please update it with any users you find to be continually posting pump threads for their coin on the main thread.

For now we will not include devs - since it is obvious they will support their own coins. Unless they go wild on the main board with pumping threads.

Over time this list will grow.



LIST OF PUMPERS -

These are not ALL essentially scammers - some just seem to be WAY WAY over zealous about a certain schemes/projects. Their objectivity is therefore in question to a very large degree. You must view their posts with serious doubt and only be convinced by factual evidence they submit with their posts (which for the most part is non-existant). Most of these give little in the way of evidence to substantiate their wild claims. Taking what they say to be anything other than fantasy is dangerous unless you do a lot of research first. Others on this list will be protectors and promoters of schemes that the vast majority of this board and those whom have studied the facts will consider scams.




Vicodin - hyper pumper of iota (probable scam) - starts crazy pump threads every few days.
btcxyzzz- Iota pumper supporter - on vast majority of pump threads boosting and protecting
winterzauber - Iota pumper - enjoyable noob pumper
snail2 - iota stealth pumper - view his post history to confirm - very sneaky - watch his style.
liqio - iota pumper and protector - on every iota post in main forum.
runall - iota pumper and protector - view post history on the main board also check out iota unmoderated thread.
wizzardtim - another pumper  for iota - always on vicodins threads adding his own pump comments.
qwizzie - pumper of Dish (instamined scam) - super pro Dish pumper
bobsurplus  - super pumper - no need for an introduction everyone has heard of him and his pump group.
TaoOfSaatoshi - Dash pumper and protector - scam enabler.
Lukas_Jackson - Dash protecter and enabler
toknormal - Dash enthusiast and protector.
MasterMined710 - Dash protector and scam enabler.
AlexGR - Dash pumper and protector
Stoat - Very very very pro Athereum (make up your own mind if there is justification for such optimism- if there is then research for yourself)  



This thread will not have any persons added that are not on the main section pumping regularly  for their project or scam.

Those constantly in pump threads adding support to the pumping can also be added with enough examples.

Their comments should be viewed with great caution and probably ignored completely.


To have a user added to the pumpers and scammers list then please provide at least 3 examples of them pumping the same project on the main board in a 1 month period or 2 in one week. Any pumping of coins yet to be released to exchange should be view with ultimate caution and the main focus. Creating new pump threads on the main board constantly is the key way to spot them. Their puppet accounts or fellow pumpers are usually found on the very same threads aiding or protecting the pumper and his pump comments. If you look most pumpers have a group of supporting pump accounts that will usually be on the same pump threads they start.

If you have reason to believe others are pumping but finding loopholes within the criteria to be classified as pumpers then criteria can be altered with enough agreement.

Hopefully we can identify these pumpers/scammers and sock puppets.

Please post some proof in your post if submitting pumpers to the list.



keep to topic and no posts are deleted.
Any swearing, or foul language posts will be deleted.

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Anyone remember seeing any threads on the main board before the ICO??
Anyone remember seeing any threads on the main board during the ICO?
Anyone see any sigs advertising IOTA anywhere?
Anyone know if a social media reward for advertising the ICO of iota?
Anyone seen any IOTA on exchanges?
Anyone read about possible consensus issues with iota token?
In a recent poll on here around 50% classed Iota a scam

I'm inclined to agree.

Why is an ICO that is not even released and is probably deliberately being held captive with no market access suddenly being pumped to 30x ico price already?

This seems like nxt2 to me and it's by the very same people that done this same scam on us all just a few years ago??

Can the same people really try it all over again??

Look at LISK - lots of advertising before , and during the ICO - can't go one page without seeing their ICO

Ethereum - advertised it and gave POW for distribution. Was available for sale for only 2-3 x ICO for months.

NEM - months and months and months of ICO time and advertising.

IOTA - I Own Tons Assholes - want to buy some at 30x ico?? already and can't even somehow get a gui to get it on an exchange. Why? because want time to pump and pump before anyone can really sell. So by the time they do release to exchange we all believe it is worth 30x ico price.

Why don't bittrex keep your order history for longer? seem to delete it after a few weeks.
All other exchanges keep that info for you to view.

whats the safest and fastest quark coin gpu miner?