[Also he said to me that I was incorrect and idiotic for saying that some of the 99.93% of users here could make posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% group he is part of being a high merit cycle club member.]

So 2 days ago the gang tried to abuse the trust system and crush my account. I forced that scoundrel to remove it or prove it was worth a red trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086816.0

Now these same pieces of cowardly trash are creating puppet accounts because they know it would look bad if I could prove it was them who did it and trying to get me banned and have now fucked that up because they are thick as shit, and did not notice all links for anything posted in that same post were at the bottom. So they will have a hard time proving that I was trying to claim anything in that post as my own when you click a link in the same post and see where the information came from. These scum suckers have proven my point by trying to silence me and crush my account. We need to one get rid of the cancer at the top levels of this forum before worrying about the spammers at the bottom. I mean how has it escaped the notice of everyone here that most of these if not all are wearing the same high paying sigs??? are you all blind to this?? the pharmacist just listed as him main accomplishment here or one them was to be in this high paying EXCLUSIVE sig campaign. Now I notice dark star runs it and so i believe it is legit cos he seems straight and okay. But still these shits complaining about the board turning into a financial milk cow for posters with sigs are probably milking the board with their needless posts 24/7 which are just their groundless opinions for the most part.

They did not notice because if you read their posts especially if anyone stands up to them with some simple reason, logic and demands for fair treatment you start to find out these highly regarded (by nobody much outside of this echo chamber) noobs are a bunch of actual morons whom under any scrutiny collapse and degrade into making statement that are ludicrous and they will not go back on them.

One of these imbeciles is called suchmoon who claims and has verified this statement to me several times

HE CONSIDERS MOST PRE MERIT LEGENDS TO BE SPAMMERS and states he is dead serious.

at first I thought he was blowing of steam at being defeated publicly in every debate I had with him and he was blowing off steam.

But no, ask him out right, he is saying that.

Also he said to me that I was incorrect and idiotic for saying that some of the 99.93% of users here could make posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% group he is part of being a high merit cycle club member.

Then if i say something to him that you can not prove you are a liar and you will see what happens to liars on here he says

I strongly suspect it is that asshole that has made that puppet account and trying to shut my account down again. The guy is hating it that he has just realised he is a bottom feeding imbecile who hates to lose an argument and hates even being challenged on anything.

This is very dangerous indeed and this copy and paste is being used as a very dangerous tool by this idiot such moon and his goons.

Now besides the fact I have asked just a few question on legends getting banned for copy and paste infractions threads which suchmoon does not like. However his main problem is that he does not like the fact that I demonstrated merit is being cycled in tight circles on certain boards by certain people.

This gang is infesting all areas of power and influence here and are not trying to shut people down with dubious and worrying tactics.

I mean he believes he can scare me off saying it is him or them doing this with some i'll red trust your or get you banned if you accuse me. Well fuck off you little sniveling turd who has accomplished nothign of note here ever apart from play whack a mole and bully some people around. I will accuse you because it is strange how this little group of

DT trust
Merit source
Wanna be mods ( they do)
top merit buddies and hoarders (time machine involved apparently)
top paid sig club (whilst moaning about financially motivated posting)

all needs to be taken away from them

Let me list this band of cowardly moronic scum

The pharmacist - a total moron who makes a mockery of the merit system just by having any. Pretends to be humble and nice but as soon as he spot someone weaker than him (not many around) he starts to get all evil and bullying with them. Insisting some poor noob making a thread on "meta" of all places with a compilation of guides that he clearly listed he got from various places on the net... said he was claiming the work as his own and gave red trust and tried to get him banned. Tyrant piece of scum.



Suchmoon - a caustic negative shitposter that can not debate anything without getting destroyed and reduced to a blabbering imbecile that screaming most pre merit lengends are spammers and that 99.93% of active users are incapable of posting anything as good as the 0.13% - how can people with these pre conceived ideas be in such positions on this board.

LocyeV - another complete fool who is good for pulling data only any  simple conversation and he falls apart and starts crying and saying you are on ignore.  His logic if he is AI is not a threat to anyone but itself. This alarmingly dangerous moron merits the sock puppet account from his friends reporting me for ban and the link to the information posted is in the actual post 2 link at bottom that one. He is always meriting dumb stuff remove his merits and take him back to noobie.

Lauda - scam supporting self contradicting turn coat and apparent recent thief that is already removed from damaging the community from positions of trust and power - how is this devious skank still posting here anway?

Malboroza - not sure about this nutcase too much, but he looks very dubious too.

these people talk down to everyone voicing their groundless and self serving opinions and seek to silence via these disgusting tactics anyone that goes against them.

Stand up to this scum before it is too late.

How come people even allow these scabs to become such a powerful gang here going around being total assholes spamming and milking the board just as bad as anyone else.

Get these scumbags out of dt trust and anything else they can start to dominate and bully people around.

I was warned after I spoke up for people in the ban appeals they will come for me. I don't give a shit and I am not going to delete my post history to hide any little shit mistakes from these divs.

If I am not net positive here then those bunch of non achieving divs will be going too.

Also such moon thinks it is funny that he can take sentances I write in my posts and put them in his avatar - to show he can copy and paste but nobody else is allowed to ....  get this scum bag put back to junior too, or even bad this piece of shit.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SUGGESTIONS FOR A BETTER SYSTEM THAN WE HAVE NOW

IF YOU SIMPLY WANT TO KEEP IT AS IT IS THEN DO NOT POST AND CLUTTER THE IDEAS OF PEOPLE WHO MAY WISH TO CONSTRUCT A BETTER SYSTEM



Now that I know hillarious and co can reinstate banned people we could probably do something like this simple and fast solution


1. anyone wants to appeal after copy and paste of serious nature found in their posts (not film quotes for humour, memes, news posted on correct project)
Needs to pay 0.5 BTC fine and have a 6months - 1yr month sig ban automatically..

2. 1 btc held with escrows(mods). Thread dedicated to it with user account details with start of ban, end ban and link to account

3.  If caught using sig  during sig ban time then instant perm ban and loss of all funds. Funds split between finder of copy and paste, mod (escrow) , and person discovering sig usage during sig ban time. (Proof of sig use must be provided for public to see and mod should witness really)

4. Those abiding by sig ban will get back 0.5 btc at end of sig ban term and be allowed their sigs back but zero tolerance copy and paste after point of appeal.

this could be run on a thread in reputation really....copy and pasters named and shamed post.

Sticky put here in meta or could just have link in the ban to the copy and pasters thread where it all takes place.


I'm not a game theory expert so perhaps lots of holes in this.

I had thought up a more elaborate plan with full history reviews but it is a huge task and I guess great poster is quite subject and matching criteria on huge histories on every posts is impossible.

I mean I expect a lot of copy and pasters will not go for this because there is little point for them ...sig bans, fines and instant bans if they do it again. Most will not appeal.

This is goes for every copy and paster too so no favouritism. Except perhaps pure crazy copy and paste pure ico sig spammers ...perhaps they could be just denied access to the discipline program.  


Of course many will have better systems but this could instantly cut out a lot of time and energy and reward reporters for locating, mods for reviewing and escrowing and other reporters spotting sig use during ban time.

Hillarious could take care of it all if he can ban and unban.. seems theymos will not have to review or spend time coding anything.

For alternative systems that improve on what we have now just post below and  perhaps we can together reach a good solution.













 

[The list without Merit sent by the Top 50 Merit Receivers 1. -49.10% marlboroza earned 558 284 Merit from outside the Top 50 Merit ReceiversWho makes NUMBER 1 SPOT on the ENTIRE board ...he blames me probably but I actually had no idea it would reveal this about him specifically]

I mean the very notion of DT being able to add a red tag next to someone because you don't like them revealing stats on your account.
I am speculating with good reason considering the context of our previous discussions and his last post before leaving the red trust that is a feasible motive for hideous and sickening abuse of the DT trust position and the trust system in general. I mean continuous actions like this by DT trust member is reducing its value daily to hardly worth looking at if you just want to find out who is a potential actual scammer.



If you don;t want to be bogged down in details here is an accurate analogy of my route to red trust


I mean a simple analogy if you give him benefit of the doubt in both junctures...

4 dogs walking down the street with a guy he found them in his garden or whatever

3 Chihuahua - dogs 1 2 3
1 doberman -  dog 4

I say thats not my big dog (referring to dog 4 because  I only have Chihuahuas)

The guy looks at the 4 dogs and says I have proof that dog 1 is yours now sorry I have proof that dog 1 is yours and you get red negative trust for lying to me.


I want him to remove my red trust or else I want him removed for being unreasonable and unfair.





One example of such Abuse but this is not directly related to only him. I think if he is doing it to silence people many could then adopt this kind of actoin.

This relatively new user marlboroza is trying to silence me presenting or asking for stats not even specifically about him originally it just happened he was number 1 on the entire board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084723.msg48689242#msg48689242

The list without Merit sent by the Top 50 Merit Receivers
     1. -49.10% marlboroza earned 558 284 Merit from outside the Top 50 Merit Receivers

Who makes NUMBER 1 SPOT on the ENTIRE board ...he blames me probably but I actually had no idea it would reveal this about him specifically

For having his merits reduced the most on the entire board. From the smallest subset analysed yet.

Suddenly when another member is demonstrating many have their merits apparently reduce by near 50% by just having 10 peoples merits taken away .... we are talking 100s and 100s of merits.

He come to this thread apparently not because he is stalking me and using my posts as an excuse to spam his high paying sig (which i challenged him to remove for a year if I would do the same) not going to do that is he

He says he was googling his own name on an obscure search engine THAT HE CANT REMEMBER WHICH ONE..but spelled in incorrectly like i had and arrive at my thread. I mean what are the chances?? What kind of mad junk excuses can these people come up with from time travel to this kind of nonsense.

Then  he see's i said I wonder what his own merit score will be when just his top 10 are removed because most of the others stalking me have had theirs done already. Not that I even wanted that thread started (i did not want that one or the one prior started which can be verified) nor to mention it further after I said it was the end of it all on past threads several time.

I mean of course he hates this being already in NUMBER 1 spot for getting so much merit small the smallest subset analysed yet.


such moon now is claiming lower down this thread it is nothing to do with merits.... oh really look at the bottom of his post he is still banging on about all of this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.msg48750243#msg48750243

over 2 threads after I said I want to stop going on about it since it had all been discussed and we are going around in circles. Then they made 2 new threads about it all mentioning me in the op or thread title and making it about me. Not that I care but then saying I am going on about it is another crazy load of crap they push out and expect me not to notice what is happening.

the post below that is apparently the red trust worthy one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.msg48750243#msg48750243


Then decides to leave me negative red trust without disproving anything that I have said and trys to then misquote me saying I said things I did not also.

This is flagrant abuse of DT trust and makes the entire system invalid for highlighting scammers.

I would like this new user who seems to abuse this system removed from DT trust unless he can provide a reason why I should have negative trust by defining trolling in the context of all the every single meta thread and this new one and demonstrate anything I have said is wrong.

You can not allow these people to give red DT trust to silence people because they have no answers.

The fact is i had said at least 5 x that I wanted to drop the conversation and they kept making new threads about it and kept asking question about it then said I was spamming for replying to direct accusations and incorrect quotes and misrepresentations of what I had previously said.

This is flagrant abuse of his position which he is clearly not suitable for.

I want him to produce a full and detailed rebuttal of my points of accept it is not trolling and remove the DT trust at once. If he fails that is abuse and he needs to be removed from that position.

No need to comment on this unless you can prove anything that I have claimed is incorrect in detail.

Again bring a full detailed rebuttal of my statements on merit and a full explanation of how after I have said I don't want to discuss it but they are creating more threads and more questions that justifies trolling.

I am not really interested in any other discussions other that specifically on the crucial points here. Comments that do not bring a full and comprehensive argument for the opinions will be ignored since that makes them groundless.

He was not happy about being Number 1 on that reduction list and he is not happy someone started examining scores with just the top 10 removed. He can not give neg trust on some other bullshit when that is clearly the reason.

This is an important thread for the entire DT trust system which also seems like quite a dangerous system leading to central control by a few people.

All action must be explained by him in detail here. I expect to see an iron clad argument for him the motive here is clear and a disgrace.

This is a thread for META - systemic abuse of this DT system and the merit system needs to be attended to directly in his case and in others. I mean if you can prove you do not deserve neg trust it should be removed.

I am not a trader so it does not really damage my account but this is on principle.

Make sure to read all of the previous related threads on this debacle before commenting and I mean all post made in detail. These people are making a mockery of this board all spamming their high paid sigs and acting holier than thou.  I challenged any of them to remove sigs for one year if i did the same  so they can condemn trying to monetise the board with impunity and they all refused.

Why does everyone not just create a news thread about their own fav coin and spam it sometimes 3 or 4 times per hour on the main board. I mean soon the main board becomes the ANN board more or less.

If this is against the rules how has it not been closed or banned since I have seen several people report it before?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523788.0

I mean if it is not against the rules to do this clearly to spam your own fav project then I am shocked more are not doing it.

[SO DO YOU WANT SOME MERIT?]

Hi ALT the board come and get some merit...

Do you deserve some merit for your posts? Or are you mostly all just incapable of making a decent post?

Well I have been telling the top merited individuals here you are not all just a bunch of morons or here to suck every penny out of this board with spam and fake conversations to promote your fav shit ICO.


SO DO YOU WANT SOME MERIT?

Surely there are some posts on this board (previously my fav board)??  or anywhere on inside the ALT section (ANN included)

Now here is how it will work. They (the top merit sources) told me that if I can help locate any posts worthy of merit and they agree then they will give some merit to them. They say it is simply too hard to scan through all the shit most of you blabber on about to find anything good to merit.


So I am determined to bring them some good posts from you guys.

READ EVERYTHING BELOW (WHICH MAY CHANGE AS YOU GUYS TRY AND START TO SCAM ME OR GAME THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM I PUT IN PLACE).

1. Present me with your own high standard posts - post the link and tell me why you think they are good. Do not send me junk.

2. Present me with a post you find (made by someone else) on the alt section that helped you or you thought was very good and tell me how it helped your or  why you think it deserves some merit. Make a good case and boom it could get you merit yourself no shit.

3. ONLY present me with posts of a reasonable standard or I will block you from this thread and put your name on a list of people sending me crap if you send me more than 2 very poor quality posts.

4. Check this OP and the post below to make sure that I have not already had that exact post submitted. (so press cntrol + F) then input the entire url in and see if has been already suggested). Do not submit posts that have already been submitted before.


NOW - 2 things will happen.

1. If the post is good and deserves merit (according to me and the top merit sources) it will get merit.

2. If you submit  good posts (that merit sources agree with) and put a very good detailed reason why it should have merit then you will be given some merit. I will give people finding good posts some of my merit until it runs out but it will run out in time.

Some important notes.


1. don't spam me with crap posts - 2 crap posts and you are going to be kicked off this thread.

2. don't be impatient it will take a few days sometimes for your posts to be reviewed by a merit source. However if they are good (my opinion I will list them up in the review section - I will be very open minded and generous but merit sources will have to give the merits out)

Over time I would like to give some criteria for what is a good post but for now I will let you guys tell me what is good about the post and how it helped you or how you think it helped others.


Do not try and get merit here if you are not a real enthusiast of bitcoin or altcoin projects. If you are just a financially motivated spammer don't post on this thread. Actually just don't post.

It can take me some time to keep up with this so don't get impatient if I don't update your suggestions immediately.

This thread is to help those good posters who are posting here but getting hidden by a ton of spammers and scammers.
Come on guys I know there is some real enthusiasts and good posters in this forum. It was once one of the very best sections here.


You are free to discuss what you think about merit here, or any great posts but make effort and construct a nice useful post. Even that may get you some merit.

Do you think this thread is a good idea or do you think it can be abused. Let me know with a good explanation.

Are there no enforceable rules regarding merit abuse?? No neg trust even in serious cases??

I would suggest powering up each others merit or even your own alts merit is quite a dangerous practice.

It is actually like cheating really because you are allowing accounts to rank up and gain trust in an unfair way.  These are obviously less deserving in trust than those that do not do this.

 Trust score you say is for trust but for me a lot of faith is put in rank too perhaps just as much. I mean would you trust a legend with 0 trust or a jnr with 20 trust.

You can see that a person doing this kind of thing should demonstrate their entire account has far less real merit than those that gain their merits in a fair way and far less merit even than person that have zero or less merit.

I think Negative DT is a minimum needed to alert person of blatant trust abuse.

I have seem some account just give 50 x merit 2x  to highly probable alts and that legend has seemingly no consequences at all? the posts were laughable and to get 50 merits for almost the same exact 2 posts??

Merit is always going to be gamed a bit but to see it go down like that and no DT is commenting then I am sure there must be a good reason that I am not seeing?

Can anyone shed some light.

This is a serious question. Since I see we are now tightening up ship here to expel scammers and scam enablers and rightly so... what am I missing with these types of cases?

I know a lot of self important high horseman here will be arriving shortly to voice their black and white snitch to teacher about foul language for a pat on the heard and perhaps more ethos.

However, for the people who always wanted to kick those types up the ass for grassing on you for swearing dropping off to sleep last period.


Should we start to look at the UNOFFICIAL rules and start suggesting some sensible and humanist approach to them.

Now let me first say I do not really include the mods in this. If you are a mod and something is reported to you then there is pressure for you to conform to what you believe the unofficial rules say. If you do not then you would have to spend hours looking through the persons entire post history to decide on a reasonable punishment. So therefore best to ban and await appeal to examine.  

Better if the onus was on the snooper reporter. If you want to go sniffing 5 years back for some copy and pastes words on the way back through that members past history here perhaps start factoring into account the value of their membership here and when report suggest a temp ban and duration of that temp ban.

The problem with perm bans getting over turned .... it does not seem to take place.


The one thing that seems to be most talked about here ( I mean so far only how to get merit for discussing the merit system and it's implications seems to dominate) is the complex issue of plagiarism - taking work and claiming it is your own.  

Now surely this is to protect the original source and the value in what they have created?  (anyway that can be discussed later). and to stop the board being filled with copy and paste material that makes it low value and destroys incentive to post for others.


Let's ask ourselves how can we apply some logic and human reasoning to this entire issue that seems to be blowing up.


1. why does the board care about this?

a/ rampant copy and pasters are sometimes bots or scammers trying to power up accounts to sell or simply to pump posts for sig money?
b/ in extreme cases could be copyright theft?
c/ when copying and pasting from the net can it lower google rankings? and internal copy and past could do the same thing?
d/ even memes may soon constitute copyright theft leave the board open to financial claims?

2/ the most obvious distinction between people copy and pasting without correct or implied reference/citation

a/ rampant copy and pasters bots and scammers ruining the board for financial gain = perm ban yes for sure

b/ those thinking they are being helpful posting an answer to a question from the net (no financial gain) =?

c/ those copy and pasting to be helpful with no financial gain ( incorrect source or mispelling or thinking url will suffice)= ?

d/ those that have copied and pasted something to be helpful years ago perhaps even before the board rules were there =?

e/ those that have copied and pasted a couple of things before icos and financial gain but have been good members for years since =?

f/ meme posters with no (what ever they may now be required to put next to a meme or permission to even use it first =?


So let's imagine the extreme where some poster from 2011 had once copy and pasted a famous quote (obviously not his own more like meme)  from a film as a joke in a certain context or copy and pasted even for instance theymos's own words for guidelines to a noob asking for guidance . He has 25k great posts and done a lot for this board and made some real difference here. (unlike most of the high merit back slappers and high horsemen ). Are we really going to believe this is a net gain for the board to perm ban him for something he posted with no bad intent 5 years ago?

Are we to put them in exactly same zero tolerance catergory as a deliberate scam team member with their bots or low paid copy and paste teams?

Would not a warning for future action be more suitable for the 2011 member?

As far as I can see copy and pasting anything as a joke, helpful or any reason is not a great idea for the user or the board.
This was not even a major thing before the ico scams came along. Perhaps those and the sigs are the main issue.

You have to realise that this could result in a lot of otherwise good posters (people that have made a big difference here) getting banned. I mean of course the only posters that the high merit back slappers believe are good posters are themselves. However asking them to point to one thing they have done or a total of everything they have done and how anything would be different is not met with much except silence.
That does not include all of the top merit holders some are indeed very valuable but I notice the very high self importance ones and those determined to nitpick on the "smaller guy" are essentially not able to provide actions that have made a big difference or any real difference.

Is there forming here a clique of tyrants pushing their own self importance and agendas that do not seem in the spirit of decentralisation and transparency or even democracy.

I may edit this if discussion brings forth some information that I have not considered and requires alteration.

Tip to small guys here - stop trying to ass kiss up to tyrants in the hope of some merit crumbs, better that a fair system (where the top 0.06% don't hog all the merits on an obscure sub board) where your opinion is not instantly of less import because of some gamed board circle jerk system... where your take on things is considered/measured and analysed for worth on an equal footing. Where you are not talked down to like absolute shit for an honest mistake and ridiculed for getting banned.

Once a small clique like this starts to form and starts to gather some support from the usual asslicking mindless slathering saps waiting for a pat on the head you better immediately stand up to it because soon anyone without the 5000 merits and a seat in the backslappers club is going to have a hard time here going against their ideology.

Again not all top merit holders or meta hermits are like this but for sure I have already seen a few.

But of course that is just my own opinion and some may claim groundless ... let's get back to the plagiarism issue and see if through discussion a broad board consensus can be reached on a sensible approach. Even if it changes nothing I would be interested to hear from others (not necessarily the self important tyrants since they are quite boring and predictable).

Why have most of the older posters I recognise retreated here to meta and not moved to the ivory tower of serious discussion after being driven from the main discussion boards?

Discussing how the board works is not generally why people visit forums is it?

I am wondering about 2 things on this forum regarding merit.


1. that high merit receivers are not those that have contributed the most to this board and the spirit of decentralised trustless projects.

(that is not what I want to study in this thread but that the first thing I want to make clear that I believe and that people should investigate full post histories to get an idea of the person they are dealing with)


2. That high merit receivers/givers are circle jerking and backslapping each other and not seeking out lower rank members who are worthy of merit to enable them to legitimately move up ranks.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SAi_b3umCcFJO2dMoLYjWCjNz1JhOLWrsRHhYQK-nb8/edit?usp=sharing

this to me can be the source of much discussion.... probably almost the most revealing merit guide here if you can interpret it well.


this was provided by r1s2g3
on this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067161.0


Who here can provide some analysis of this for presentation.


I would like to analyse the top 50 merit receivers on this board and see if the majority of their merit comes from other members of that 50.

We could drill that down to the top 25 or expand to the top 100.

I would be interested to see the results.

I have never taken much interest in this part of the board but due to some strange deletes lately, also due to some strange decisions I see happening in here and on the reputation board. I worry there is forming here a clique that is starting to act with impunity and in an unfair manner. This is not in the spirit of decentralisation and trustless arena we are trying to create.

I would also like to see which boards get the most merit action. This is very important too.

I am not encouraging discussion here of ANYTHING outside the scope of this OP. Anything other than the analysis of the merit given and received by the top 100 or less is OFF TOPIC.

This is not a thread that should really garner much opinion until the statistics are compiled and presented. Then we can discuss what it all means.

Who can whip up some nice charts to graphically visualise this??

This is not an accusation of wrong doing this is simply an exercise to see how the merit system is working out thus far.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063402.0  

look at their post history

shill group needs to be stopped.

Don't reply to this thread unless you have read it properly. This is not about them spamming about sharding . This is about contrived fake conversations between those 3 to promote the same icos on the main alt board on many threads.

Also don't reply if you are usually some kind of pathetic turd that usually spends time picking on genuine accounts for nitpicking shit that is wasting time trying to elevate your low self esteem. Like ALONE055 who is a sad and pathetic loser or any other gimp here.

Real proven scam hunters only need feel the need to reply. Or just  not bother and let the thread die since if I report it here and those accounts continue on spamming and colluding to promote shit to noobs then that's as far as I can take it for now.

Actually also unless you joined before 2014 don't reply because it takes experience here to see the wood for the trees.

So let's be honest a large % of those were junk.

Not sure about the instant freeze of markets upon announce... is that better than giving people a week of trading grace or greater like bittrex do?  

Also I don't see them being replaced with anything other total dogshit ico tokens that will sink to zero within a few months. To be fair that is all there are these days anyway in the way of new "projects"

Better to leave the older POW fairly mined coins on there if possible. They at least are more in the trustless and decentralised spirit.

If you were on holiday for a month you could come back and your shit has been flushed for you.

Good exchange for the most part really but not sure about the instant freeze upon announce though. I like picking up the panic dirt for 1 or 2 sats after a panic delisting and finding another exchange to sell for 20-50 later on.

[BitbayblocknetkomodoByteballLitecoin - added suggestion of Red-Apple - not sure how much of an investment opportunity such high cap coins aresysdoge - ** not sure about the activity but has been suggestedxmr - active not sure how much of an investment opportunity already well known top 10Lisk - suggested by krisnajsadrak]

Let's create a list of older more established projects where the dev team is still highly active. The original dev team - not some take over pump and dump crew.

No icos after 2016 - the newer ones are probably still pretending to be active whilst using up all the " dev funding" before leaveing to start a new project.

List some good old projects with the original team still pushing ahead - should have a use case that could possibly make it shine from bunches of clones. Like where the dev team has been first to make a beneficial change to a code they forked. Of course if they have created their own code from the ground up that is even better.


I will read the posts and add them this OP


I will add some to get you started then we can either add or remove project based on arguments presented.


** adding this*** let's locate good projects under the radar ( i.e not already very well known top 30 projects) since these will surely be ripe for better ROI


Bitbay
blocknet
komodo
Byteball
Litecoin - added suggestion of Red-Apple - not sure how much of an investment opportunity such high cap coins are
sys

doge - ** not sure about the activity but has been suggested
xmr - active not sure how much of an investment opportunity already well known top 10
Lisk - suggested by krisnajsadrak



add older projects here where the dev team is still going strong....

NO KNOWN AND PROVEN SCAM COINS CAN BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.

It would seem the old thread like this got deleted somehow.

Try to highlight what makes them stand out and reasons why you believe they are going  to stand a chance in this field from here.

Has anyone else picked up on this news?  

The story goes (as i have heard it)  binance was told by "legal enforcement" his funds looked suspect.

The customer has not been contacted by this branch of legal enforcement  and binance will not even put him in contact or tell him the details

Scary as hell.

Then again if you had 1200btc on a centralised exchange you probably have  thousands elsewhere.

Even so that is not the point.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING DEX'S ALREADY - come on we need fully operational fully featured dex's with some sensible ux right now  !!!!

Scary having to trust other people with the ownership of your coins whilst you trade them.

Would be great to have such a huge stash but to have it all seized and have no right to even know exactly why or how to contact the apparent legal authorities that have apparently induced binance to freeze them is crazy shit.

seems edit is gone?

 

Think I'd rather just go on Komodo or blocknet for free.

Why does bittrex delete your order history and cancel your orders so quickly?

Isn't this just a PITA  or what?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/facebook-is-reversing-its-ban-on-cryptocurrency-ads.html

big news ... posted on btc board but relevant to alts too.

nice turn of events

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/facebook-is-reversing-its-ban-on-cryptocurrency-ads.html

PM me if you do.

thanks.

Been posted on the btc board but such great news deserves to be here too



https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-announces-ether-not-security-162658147.html?guccounter=2


Again a more positive approach by the US and seems very promising to me

A lot of crypto friendly news coming from some big countries lately.