Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.
There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.
oh hi, goat. Scammer(a failed one) vouch for another scammer. Give perfect merits.. I did not vouch. I said there is no evidance yet. If you are proven wrong i hope you appoligize. So now that you are proven wrong, where is your apology? Still defending the scammer? Too much money invested to speak the truth? |
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That moment in life where Mathew N. Wright calls Trade Fortress an idiot. You know, that moment right before you but Mathew on ignore. Yeah, that one.  I have a confession to make. I laugh out loud every time someone attempts to insult me while spelling my name wrong. I think your parents misspelled your name on purpose. Its clearly Matthew N.(Never) Wrong Just wanted to capture this. |
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Can you guys post logs / proof? Without it, just hearsay, which I am not going to pay any attention to.
ThickAtThieves post the IRC log. bitcoinplay post proof that you lost money.
Because...why? So the mod can assign a scammer tag of course. Wait. They don't do that any more. We just us the TRUST system complete with all the warts and fails built into it. |
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Also, I know MNW is banned though not sure for how long. I wouldn't expect him to be responding to stuff here anytime soon.
Sigh. With MNW it's always two steps forward, two steps back. Matthew, I think it's time to admit you have a problem and enroll in Trollers Anonymous. What was he banned for? |
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I wonder if the forum can include tools that make the economics of bit coin easier. Things like 2 of 3 key generation for escrow so noobs can easily do escrow.
What do you think MNW?
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They don't do scammer tags any more.
You just give him negative trust feed back and if I trust you, it effects the score I see for him.
Of course, if I don't trust you, it don't mean diddly.
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You (your forum) refused to confirm Werner is Garr's sock puppet for how long?
About 30 hours. Were you starting to go grey from waiting? The situation was successfully resolved in less than two days, partly due to my work behind the scenes. Immediately publishing the alt account info would not have been wise, though I would have published it eventually (as John alluded to earlier in the thread). IP address logs are confidential, but I reserve the right to release alt account info when someone is abusing alt accounts as Garr255 and svbeon were doing. To be clear: I barely know Garr255. I've sent him less than 30 PMs in total, almost all of which were related to forum administration. I chose him as a treasurer because he seemed to have more to lose than any of the other candidates if he ran away with the money. Already going gray. Having a grandchild with do that to you. ".. work behind the scenes ..." I can think of all sorts of things you should have been doing, could have been doing or would have been doing. At this point, I'm struggling to come up with any that put you (and this forum) in a good light. Selling off shares in Garr's business? Talking Garr into 'fessing up 'cause you could not cover for him? Trying to get Garr to return the 250 BTC he is holding? Sorry dude, at this point, you are wearing the same shirt that Garr is. |
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So....
I am using the "Trust" system to indicate who I trust and who I don't trust.
If I have a fiduciary dealing with them, I put feedback on their page.
If I trust them, they go on my "Trust List". I vary the depth of that list from 0 to 3 to see who they trust.
If I don't trust them, I put feedback on their page with a link to the post(s) and a note as to why I do not trust them.
This, of course, is visible to everyone else. It has, of course, started to generate reciprocal feedback.
What a wonderful system this "Trust" thing is.
/sarcasm
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... John K. did show up, and took what seems like the fair stance on all of this, back on page 2 I personally agree that this is something bad, and that it should be looked into. I've always been against the notion of having sockies here, like I told theymos last time... Anyway, only theymos can do the checks here (barring Thomas Stefan of course). I'll PM and direct him to this thread.
I know. What really disappointed me is John K. is taking theymos' coin as a mod. His reputation was unblemished but now he is answering to theymos. When (not if) John K. has to either obey his boss, or do the correct and ethical thing, what will he do? I want to believe he will do the correct and ethical thing but we won't know if he doesn't. Unless of course, Garr is involved with a sock puppet and screws it up. Until that day, John K. is no longer as clean as he was. There will always be the doubt that he will put theymos' interests ahead of _anyone_ who employs him for escrow, etc. yeah, this shit storm is getting worse |
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It's almost certainly someone pretending to be a sock-puppet of Garr's for a laugh.
Yes, it is. Wait!!!!! You (your forum) refused to confirm Werner is Garr's sock puppet for how long? You (your forum) refused to violate the sanctity of a deleted post for how long?? Now, just off hand, you quickly confirm that an account that makes Garr look bad _is_ a sock puppet. Dude, this is REALLY wrong. You are playing favorites. You are using your position on this forum to promote your own interests and that of your friends. You are doing this in a fashion that appears to be underhanded. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck; it is a duck. You, theymos, are looking as bad as Garr and Josh. Perhaps you should look to MNW as a role model of how to do the right thing. I just considered not posting the above to protect my presence here. Fuck that. Go ahead. Delete this post and ban my account if you think it necessary. If this forum represents bitcoin, bitcoin will suffer a long time before it succeeds, if ever. |
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If he wanted to win the auction then obviously he was willing to pay BTC63, no? He's still not forcing anybody to pay money they would not be willing to pay. This is equivalent to refusing a price in a bargain, something perfectly reasonable.
I don't see any problem in what Garr did, however I am disappointed he didn't warn people he was doing this. However, that's still not something worthy of a scammer tag.
Yet another person I will NOT have fiduciary dealings with. This is a very useful thread. I could not devise a better test for determining who is and is _not_ honest. |
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As an outsider, and being bored at work today, I read all of this, and all of the stuff on Matthew's "bet". Now, perhaps I am missing something, but here are the points I see as relevant:
1. Did matthew actually take money form anyone? (from what I could see, he did not)
2. Reading the huge thread on his "bet", I actually found myself laughing quite a bit. How could ANYONE have actually thought that it was serious? It's like watching Reality TV and thinking it isn't all scripted.
3. Where did he "actually" scam anyone? Scamming, to me anyway, would be defined as stealing money in some way. I can't see anywhere this happened.
4. It seems like all the upset people were upset because they didn't get any free money, which they did nothing to get anyway. None "lost" any that they already had. Too me its like giving my friend saying he will put $10 on a horse for me. He ends up not going to the track, so he never bets on a horse. Did I get 10 bucks scammed?
5. Garr OUTRIGHT robbed people. In an ACTUAL auction (in my state anyway) shill bidding is FLAT-OUT illegal. Period. It's like going thru the drive thru, then the cashier adding $5.00 onto your bill and keeping it. Did she hold a gun to your head to make you buy your Doritos Tacos? No. Did she scam you? HELL YES!
6. It is VERY obvious that the apology was a last resort, no way out. "Oh look, I sent a picture of my penis to someone and I am a politician. I can just deny it was me." "Oh look, they tied the picture to my account, shit, no way out of this now." "I am deeply troubled by the penis picture. I am seeking help, and am extremely dissapointed in my own actions." Muhahahah, next time I will buy a disposable cellphone!!
7. Refusing to ban/scammer tag/etc Garr can ONLY be because of some sort of friendship/financial/dating/WOW buddies or some other relationship. I mean what grey area is there here? He scammed, plain and simple, and got caught doing it. And he didn't do it just once either. That Werner account was NOT new.
I am writing this all down though, gonna sell it as the next Netflix Original Series! "The BTC Conspiracy--A 10 part limited series, only on Netflix"
I have the same read on this that you do. When I came to bitcointalk I was expecting to find a tight group of folks who valued honesty. Sure, there would be the Josh type of idiot and the ever present crowd of minor thieves and pickpockets but the luminaries of the forum would reasonably be good people. Theymos, Goat and Garr are not meeting that expectation. The worrisome part is other folks, even those universally respected (John K.) in the community seem to turn a blind eye to this and support it, if only by association. The really strange thing is the guy that this forum has branded as "Untrustworthy" is actually the one person here that I do trust. This is one eff'd up place. |
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This thread is definitely providing lots of input for my trust filter.
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Ok, fine, I call it off, and will not pay anyone to rig my auction by a buck.
You win. Only way for eBay to notice this "felony" would be if someone ratted me out.
Next time, i'll bring someone local for this and that's all.
Based on this, I have provided you with some feedback on your trust level. Let me know if you have any questions. |
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I'm selling some stuff on ebay, which goes in ~5 hours. If someone helps me by bidding price from 10$ to ~15$ will receive 0.005 BTCIf noone buys that in the end, and you are the winner you will still get your BTCI want to sell the item for at least 16 $, if anyone has better strategy would be glad to hear it out fast I'm often fucked up by some buyer with high reserved price and that annoys me like hell http://r.ebay.com/LESAlFI also have another item http://r.ebay.com/6zLkxc ends in 3 hours. Anyone bidding from 15.50 to 16 or 16.50 will get 0.0025 BTC. You dont have to overbid that one, just raise last bidder a little. please post here, and not in PM Bad idea. Quick way to get in trouble. Quoted for posterity. |
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I'm betting a real competitor will force improvements here. Right now there is no incentive for theymos to do the right thing. A moderately successful alternative changes all of that.
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So how much coin was Garr holding?
250BTC I think 2 of 3 key or just good old "trust me"? |
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Send the goats back to the goat locker.
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So how much coin was Garr holding?
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