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61  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [3] countdown! on: June 16, 2013, 02:31:04 AM
I'm happy with 100% ROI by Oct 01.

You guys do realize how insane that is, right?

Name any other investment that gives 100% ROI in such a short time.
62  Other / Politics & Society / Re: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? on: June 15, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?

In Iraq fixing IED hunting robots.
63  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: learning how to make a pcb on: June 12, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
you can make you're own even 2 layer is possible, but if you want to make an asic you need 3 or 4 layer, this can't EASILY be done at home.

FTFY
64  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. on: June 12, 2013, 08:02:39 PM
...

plus, he put it the context of blatant disregard and hubris from his bosses at NSA.  we've got a problem and it's big.

With slowly developing scandal of IRS suppression of small government advocacy groups (eg patriot/tea party/etc), the ability for a secret, well funded agency that answers to the Executive Branch to monitor activity to this level is especially troubling.

Essentially, I can be reasonably certain that all of the metadata regarding my household and much of the actual content of activity is sitting in a "protected" database at NSA, just waiting for someone to decide that I am a threat to the government and get a secret warrant to look at it.  All of this with out ANY notice to me.

As a US citizen, I find this extremely disturbing since the government that is able to do this should only exist because of the collective agreement of US citizens.

"I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."  - Grover Norquist
65  Other / Meta / Re: Marketplace trust on: June 12, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
I would like this a lot more if Default settings were
Trust list == satoshi
Trust depth == 0

Anything else implements a bias from the board administration.  If the board moderators and who they trust deserve the level of trust that Default would give them, it should be obvious to the user, not forced on them.

If you MUST put a real person on the default trust list why not use someone who is truly trusted by the community like John (John K.)?

66  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it worth it to get a BFL bitcoin miner? on: June 12, 2013, 07:20:06 PM
I've started mining bitcoins with my Sapphire radeon HD 7850 @ 1025Mhz 4 days ago. I, on average, have a decent hashrate of 300 MH/s. But I want more.
So I'm saving my money up to get a Butterfly labs Jalapeņo ASIC miner. As you probably know, it has a speed of 5 Gh/s. I was wondering if it was worth it to order that miner ($300 incl. shipping) in 4.5 months or so. I know I kind of missed the boat since it's mid-2013, but should I?
If I order it in October, what would be the butterfly labs queue? Will the price of bitcoins fall? Will the exchange rate be high, and will too many miners buy the product? Will the mining diff. rise, and make it pointless to mine?


IF you could get one NOW, you would make a profit.  The difference between NOW and when (if) it is delivered is the real concern.

The answers to your question(s) are long winded, based on a lot of assumptions and carry some degree of risk taking on your part.

I decided not to go with BFL.  I have purchased shares in a (yet to be delivered) Avalon machine.  Even that is pretty high risk.  I hope to break even in six months from my initial purchase but more likely not for 9+ months.

The only reason I entered the ASIC market was to create a long term stream of revenue while supporting the basic infrastructure of Bitcoin.  If the cost of electricity at the machine's planned location ever exceeds the revenue generation, I have an alternate location in mind that has lower electricity costs and unlimited cooling.  Ultimately, I intend to ensure this node operates for the long term future, not as a quick money source.

67  Other / Off-topic / Re: Remission of sins on: June 12, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
Can I get regular cleanings? I would not want to give up sinning totally. Some of the sins are among my favorite pastimes.
Also, can I still visit hell when I'm dead? I have a lot of friends that I assume are going to hell. The parties they will throw there are going to be epic. I really don't want to miss out.

yes u can. if u give me enough coins i'll take them with me in visiting u in hell (and buy you a drink in there with coins).


Bars in hell accept bitcoins! Sweet. And they say you cant take it with you. Perhaps I can use BTC to get across the river Styx also? Hmm.

hmmm...i donno. i'm here just to resolve you from your sins. Repent sinner! Judgment day is near Smiley

I'll do you one better.

I will ABSOLVE you of your sins.

Please send your tax free contributions to this local branch of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to the address below.

68  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: learning how to make a pcb on: June 12, 2013, 07:07:05 PM
My main goal for the hell of it is to buy 1-5 Avalon chips and just experiment with different designs that my mind could come up with.

You would be well advised NOT to learn about PCB design ab initio using your precious Avalon chips. These are high performance devices and you need know exactly what you are doing otherwise you'll just create failure.

A couple of links to help you out (you can google for PCB stuff yourself).

Klondyke reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227186.0

Bitfury test boards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.0

And how not to do it ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230525.0

+1

PCB design experimentation is best done with cheap, expendable components but _only_ after doing some software experimentation.  Here is a good starting point for free software that will get you started:

http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download-eagle/freeware/

Once you have a handle the simple stuff, here is a lite (free) version of what many professionals use:

http://www.cadence.com/products/orcad/pages/downloads.aspx

Good luck.






69  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist? on: June 11, 2013, 04:56:45 AM
Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist?

The patriot won. The terrorist lost.

This.


The winner writes the history book and assigns the labels.


Defining by tactics is not useful.  As repulsive as I find it for someone to hijack a civilian plane and fly it into a building full of civilians, it is just as ugly a tactic as dropping a 70/30 mix of incendiary bombs / anti-personnel bombs on a city built of bamboo and paper.  Once war has been become the answer, it is foolish to fight with anything less than everything you have.  "Rules of Engagement" are only justified if they serve to further speed victory.

The third, and final, victory by the Romans over Carthage should be the model by which we fight wars.  If we are unwilling to take war to that level we should not be going to war.
Well the tactic defines itself.  I think the problem here is that we've been told that if terrorism exists we must fight it.  Many people will proudly call their self a terrorist.  It's just a term for a method of war.  What is sad is that the US doesn't get branded in the same way.  Know what a double tap is?  Dropping a bomb on a target then waiting for help to come and bombing them.  It's a war crime, and my country does it constantly.  Same with signature strikes.. just as disgusting.  So I'm not saying there is nothing to your argument, yes history is written by the winner.  I think we need to call more people terrorists, not less Smiley

A "double tap" is nothing compared to the 70/30 incendiary/anti-personnel mix of bombs used to burn Tokyo during WWII.  The anti-personnel bombs were targeted at the fire fighters.


70  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. on: June 11, 2013, 04:50:26 AM
If you want to send him bitcoins, don't send it to him directly, send it to someone with a great little sailboat that can sneak him to Iceland.

Tom, you got the kind of boat needed?  Grin

Yep, but I would have to take off work for a couple of years to make it happen.  You going to cover my salary?

I'm based west coast of the US.  I figure it would take the better part of a year to get to him in whatever East Pacific refuge he is hiding in.  From there, it is probably easier to reverse course and head around South America before going north to Iceland.

Of course, depending on global warming, it might make more sense to top off the diesel tanks and make a dash across the Arctic Sea.  I don't have any good data on sailing conditions there during the summer months so I would have to plan on motoring the full distance.  Couldn't make any port visits in Alaska or Russia unless I'm smuggling him.

Probably just be easier to buy a boat in the Philippines and start from there.

This Formosa / Peterson 46 Cruising Yacht For Sale looks like a good choice:
http://www.pgyc.org/sail-boats-for-sale.php

Arctic Sea Ice

71  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Worldwar 3 and EMP bombs on: June 11, 2013, 04:37:16 AM
For these devices to work without widespread radiation poisoning and a humongous shockwave, they have to be airburst at rather extreme altitude. This will require a spread of either FOBS or ICBM missles. Since early warning satellites and radars cannot tell that the missile showing the profile of a nuclear launch is an EMP device (since it would be riding exactly the same vehicle as a MIRV capable ICBM or FOBS) The monitoring systems would go to DEFCON 1 or it's equivalent. That means nuclear war IS ON.

Not quiet right as an EMP bomb can be as small as a brief case for localised jobs or vehicle mounted for capital city deployments.

Sources - don't ask   Grin

But those don't take down the internets.
72  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist? on: June 11, 2013, 04:35:17 AM
Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist?

The patriot won. The terrorist lost.

This.


The winner writes the history book and assigns the labels.


Defining by tactics is not useful.  As repulsive as I find it for someone to hijack a civilian plane and fly it into a building full of civilians, it is just as ugly a tactic as dropping a 70/30 mix of incendiary bombs / anti-personnel bombs on a city built of bamboo and paper.  Once war has been become the answer, it is foolish to fight with anything less than everything you have.  "Rules of Engagement" are only justified if they serve to further speed victory.

The third, and final, victory by the Romans over Carthage should be the model by which we fight wars.  If we are unwilling to take war to that level we should not be going to war.
73  Other / Politics & Society / Re: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? on: June 11, 2013, 04:10:50 AM
I'd hoped never to see it confirmed, but it's a US problem only I hope:

Documents leaked by NSA contractor Edward Snowden[6] in June 2013 describe the PRISM program as enabling in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. It provides for the targeting of any customers of participating corporations who live outside the United States, or American citizens whose communications include web content of people outside the United States. Data which the NSA is able to obtain under PRISM allegedly includes email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice over IP conversations, file transfers, login notifications and social networking details.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

I would say it is more targeted at non-US citizens.

So what? Are foreigners not people who deserve privacy?

I'm not saying it is right.  I'm just noting that it is ostensibly directed at non-US citizens and communications with them.
I am reminded here of a number of things.  Like picking out a place to sit down in the grass and avoiding one where there are a couple ants.  Because there are never "a couple ants."   There's a huge swarm of them of which I saw a couple.

It's the little bit pregnant type of a problem.

Inside the US, the uproar is about monitoring of US citizens.  Simply put, it is expected that NSA and like organizations will monitor non-US citizens.  As a US citizen, I am pissed that my activities are stored on an NSA computer.  As a non-US citizen, I would be pushing my government very hard to shut down the ability of the US to monitor the rest of the world's internet.

Longer term, this is just plain ugly.  The innocence of the internet is gone.  We had whispers before but this exposes the entire darkness of internet enabled surveillance.




74  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Worldwar 3 and EMP bombs on: June 11, 2013, 04:03:27 AM
I must point out that in the case of a launch of an EMP weapon from a boat in the Gulf of Mexico, there would be no immediate traceback to the perp
So, they can track missile launches on the other side of the planet, but not in their own back yard?
The key word here is boat. If a missile is launched from mainland North Korea, it'd be pretty obvious that the missile belongs to North Korea. But a boat in the Gulf of Mexico could belong to anyone. It could be North Korea. Or maybe China, or Russia, or literally any other country that owns both boats and missiles. That's why submarines are such a critical part of nuclear strategy: they can go almost anywhere in the world without being detected and then fire their missiles without anyone knowing which country was responsible.

Actually I would not be so quick to believe that a boat in the Gulf of Mexico, large enough to launch an EMP device able to have a significant effect would not be tracked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-horizon_radar



There is a reason why the drug smugglers are using these now:



75  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [3] countdown! on: June 11, 2013, 03:33:57 AM

The difficulty will be higher after B2 completes and all of us get our B3s (~100THs).  Then there are the avalon chip sales following 4 to 8 weeks from now (200THs).

Current network hash power is around 120TH/s.  So.. we are looking at 2x difficulty with shipment of B2 and B3 ~ 240TH/s (Difficulty ~32M)... and then doubling again with Avalon chip sales not too long after ~480TH/s (difficulty 64M).

This is ignoring all of the competitors who won't be sitting still (like Asic Miner and bitfury).

I am hopeful that if difficulty can stay under 100M+ for 4 months, then our Batch3s can break even in 6 or 7 months. At 100M difficulty, an overclocked 4module B3  (~97GH/s) should return around .5 BTC a day.

I am not complaining... just stating facts as they have been communicated.
Using todays difficulty projections for our batch is misleading at best.

Thanks for the analysis.

From that I gather that the price for a not-yet delivered Avalon batch 3 machine is dropping pretty quickly.  This is doubly true for those other guys who are struggling to deliver product.

The question I ponder is what is the "floor" price for a mining rig?  Is it breaking even in 6 months or 2 years?  The build cost of a mining rig be low enough to support a reasonable break even point?
76  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Edward Snowden have a bitcoin wallet? on: June 11, 2013, 03:26:27 AM

You is a silly. I'd like you to look up the Occupy Wall Street eviction videos and tell me about how free speech is. You'll see me with a nonviolent communication poster in my mouth getting the living shitstomped outta me.
I'm on the same page as Snowden as far as putting myself out there.
I hope his wallet address goes public and he escapes death.

Gotta play by the rules of protest.

I have not seen the Westborough idiots getting the shitstomped outta them.
77  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. on: June 11, 2013, 03:23:52 AM
From what I have read, these are facts:

  • He was not working for a foreign government
  • He did not reveal the info for money
  • He concluded that his agency was breaking the law
  • He was selective about what he revealed
  • He went public at a great personal cost

...and he made public illegal activity by public officials ( breach of everyones 4th amendment rights ), so he is a whistleblower and should be protected. The senators that were briefed and approve of this should stand trial for conspiring to commit civil rights violations along with the NSA, FISA court judges, and the President.

There exists a classified whistle blower process.  Essentially, it allows someone inside a classified program to contact an investigative agency that has individuals cleared for access to the program.

Snowden does not appear to have used this process.  A claim to be a "whistleblower" will be difficult to sustain in the face of this.

The basic problem is that what he did _was_ illegal.  It was also morally the right choice.

The judicial branch is not well set up to handle that.  The executive branch will want to hang him high.  The legislative branch will run around in circles, as always.

Snowden's best bet is to become very hard to find and wait for the next US President to issue him a pardon.

78  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Edward Snowden have a bitcoin wallet? on: June 11, 2013, 03:10:49 AM
The thing is, in the USA, if you protest against the government, some church or religion or corporations, people just mostly really don't care.
Huh
Joking?

Not sure if you are trolling with this question.

On the off chance you are not familiar with the US, I am providing a link to a particular protest group that has pushed the limits of protesting and definitely IMHO stepped well past any sense of human decency.  Still, I defend their right to be complete and total idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church


79  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [3] countdown! on: June 10, 2013, 09:29:48 PM
Hey guys how do we overclock the Avalon? Do we need extra cooling?

Turn the calendar to September of 2013.
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Town: Let's Make the Future Come to us on: June 10, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
I had a vision for an anarcho-capitalist free city state which I suppose is somewhat similar to this bitcoin town thingy, but I wouldn't start it anywhere inside of US territory.  My idea was to found it somewhere in the world that had a weak or non-existant government.  My favourite spot would be the western sahara.  The only government to have a claim on it is Morocco but no one else recognises their claim least of all the locals.  It is one of the most sparsely populated places on earth so there is lots of land up for grabs.  It is just desert with no natural resources except sunlight and sand but then so is dubai... 

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=16&with_photo_id=78942437&order=date_desc&user=374562

It so happens that I did a little research on this part of the world. 


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=20.830800%C2%B0,+-17.089000%C2%B0&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0xea1b1099525a865:0xc0a0707316aff14c,20.830800%C2%B0,+-17.089000%C2%B0&gl=us&ei=xDK2UYztFc3aigK06ICgAw&ved=0CDAQ8gEwAA

Here are some open source (wikipedia) files:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_G%C3%BCera

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Wall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahrawi_Arab_Democratic_Republic

A reasonable approach would be to get immigration visas from the Moroccan government so you have a recognized international document.  This is handy for dealing with those pesky immigration border guards in all those existing nations.

Then arrange for property rights to the ghost town of Lagouira to be transferred to your international corporation.  This is nice because if you own the land, in addition to occupying it, it makes all the other folks who own land want to support your claim.

Now, access Lagouira via the land path / sea path from Mauritania.  This is nice since you essentially are an out of country destination for them so they don't really want to deal with you beyond extracting a few "tolls" and sending you on your way.

Now the fun begins...

You are outside of the territory protected by the Moroccan Wall, which is the de facto demarcation between the land controlled by the Moroccan government and the land controlled by the SAD (see link above).  You have gained legal residency status from Morocco, so they should not be bugging you.  Now you negotiate a non-aggression pact with the SAD.  The Mauritania government will be happy as long as you provide law and order and bring business to their little sea port.

All you have to do now is handle the pesky little problems of water supply, electric grid and internet connectivity.  And don't forget to dig out the town, keep the local fisher folk happy and set up a viable economy for your little town/sovereign country.


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