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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Market crash on: July 12, 2017, 01:02:42 AM
This is just a market correction. The price rose so quickly that it needs to recorrect itself. However, I think the days of sub $1,000 Bitcoins are long gone. I think the lowest we may see in the future is $1500. So if you see Bitcoin below $1000, I would definitely scoop up as many as you possibly can.

How come ? Not very confidant on your claim. Will we see it or not ? Grin
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 12, 2017, 12:10:38 AM
SysCoin (SYS)
$0.080760 (-9.01%)
Market Cap
$42,484,470


Litecoin (LTC)
$45.26 (-2.55%)
Market Cap
$2,350,967,404

 Cool
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡⛏️[ANN] Giga Watt: Best Home for your Mining. Starts today! on: July 11, 2017, 11:37:43 PM
i dont think GW will have any legal issues

The company is registered, no need for everyone else to register a business in USA.




Yes you do. It does not matter if they are registered. Every company needs to make sure that every business partner can be identified. To do that, they need to dox every customer. If said customers are i.e. using an offshore company, they can be sued by the IRS or every other national group for the support of money laundering, tax evasion or similar.

The fact that they are a registered business also means, that the IRS is regularly checking not only the book, but also contracts between customers and Giga.  Mining in the USA is classified as a business as soon as you are doing it for profit and in a long term mater (the time frame does not really mater that much, but as long as you do it for profit you operate a business and you can't deny you do it for profit). Hence every customer needs to register their business activity with the authorities. You don't do it, Tax Fraud/Tax evasion. And therefore Giga is supporting it, resulting in possible law suits. 

If they accept foreign nationals, its even more difficult and easy to fall into some tax problems....




Its one thing to have a miner in your garage, but a whole other thing if you run a business or in that case need a datacenter where your mining is on record for IRS.  And it does not mater, where you live. EVERY COUNTRY got this rule of operating a business.


So the second you place your miner in another country you need to check if the placing of hardware alone is enough to classify as a permeant place of production....




And like it or not, they have no clue about any of these issues. Collecting money is one thing, making sure you are able to stay belly up another. This might have all been easy for them when they were operating only personal miners, now that they offer it to others, the legal base is a lot different....



That may help ?

In March 2013, the U.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Network issues a new set of guidelines on "de-centralized virtual currency", clearly targeting Bitcoin. Under the new guidelines, "a user of virtual currency is not a Money Services Businesses (MSB) under FinCEN's regulations and therefore is not subject to MSB registration, reporting, and record keeping regulations." Miners, when mining bitcoins for their own personal use, aren't required to register as a MSB or Money Transmitter.

In general, there are a number of currencies in existence that are not official government-backed currencies. A currency is, after all, nothing more than a convenient unit of account. While national laws may vary from country to country, and you should certainly check the laws of your jurisdiction, in general trading in any commodity, including digital currency like Bitcoin, BerkShares, game currencies like WoW gold, or Linden dollars, is not illegal.

Source: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#cite_note-3

Now as I understood they are not mining for us. We are mining in a way via cloud mining. We own the miner, we own the GW token to get the electricity, we pay the fees, we choose the pool, the coin to mine, even if we want the miner on or off, everything is done by us except maintenance ...via a software. They only host and service our miner technically. No ?

I don't really know if it works like this. I just try to understand.
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 11, 2017, 09:41:09 PM

What do you mean by if I ? This OP and those charts aren't from JNiks_ZLisa ?  Roll Eyes
Didn't you realize a long time ago he is quoting his sock and communicating with-him self
Yeah I know, I was playing a little.  Not tired yet. Grin
And I like Litecoin.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
BTC total Market Cap

11th june 2017 $47 000 000 000 ---> 11th july 2017 $38 000 000 000.  $9 000 000 000 lost in 1 month.

11th july 2016 BTC total market cap $10 000 000 000

I can add those numbers to have more short data.

Total Market cap
was around $25 000 000 000 until mid April 2017 Then...

From $54 000 000 000 to $116 000 000 000 in 1 month  mid may to mid june 2017 +$62 000 000 000

From $116 000 000 000 to $78 000 000 000 in 1 month  mid june to mid july 2017 -$38 000 000 000

Bigs Ups And Downs.
166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
Surely you are looking at this completely wrong. You can't comment on $, you need to work it out in % otherwise it's pretty crappy logic

Agreed, marketcap numbers are skewed and not a complete picture.

The things to focus on are: estimated market float vs. "circulating supply", total supply cap, relative distribution, and %up or down. You also have to account for what is most subjectively "valued" relative to bitcoin (i.e., bitcoin is more valued than an alt, which is more valued than an ICO token).

Yeah I knew it was maybe a short cut way to see things. But hey! the OP is "Observer BTC/USD..." so I though why not.  Grin
Thanks anyway.


It does not hurt to speculate in various ways and to consider different kinds of frameworks...  However, if you get too loosey goosey with your logic and your framework, then you are talking gibberish or placing way too much importance into factors that have little to no value.

Sometimes the framework that you chose to describe something, such as bitcoin, or you try to communicate how it has changed, there is some meaning to your assertion that the whole dollar value market cap change is equal to the whole market cap of a year ago, but then you need more than just that one fact to come to any kind of meaningful conclusion regarding whether you are asserting the asset to be overvalued or some other argument that you want to make about it.


I do not overvalue Bitcoin, and did not wanted to make any argument in particular other than the numbers from the BTC Market Cap alone.
But I understand that it doesn't mean much looking at it alone.

Regardless, the figures when I saw them made me think that BTC took a huge step UP in 2017.
And that now such a huge drop doesn't affect the price that much. I mean, at the moment it is nothing in term of dollars for BTC. Specially if we add on top of that the war we are in.

Sorry not been English native speaking cost me more time to make dip analysis. The words doesn't comes naturally.
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2017, 07:55:12 PM
Surely you are looking at this completely wrong. You can't comment on $, you need to work it out in % otherwise it's pretty crappy logic

Agreed, marketcap numbers are skewed and not a complete picture.

The things to focus on are: estimated market float vs. "circulating supply", total supply cap, relative distribution, and %up or down. You also have to account for what is most subjectively "valued" relative to bitcoin (i.e., bitcoin is more valued than an alt, which is more valued than an ICO token).

Yeah I knew it was maybe a short cut way to see things. But hey! the OP is "Observer BTC/USD..." so I though why not.  Grin
Thanks anyway.
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
BTC total Market Cap

11th june 2017 $47 000 000 000 ---> 11th july 2017 $38 000 000 000.  $9 000 000 000 lost in 1 month.

11th july 2016 BTC total market cap $10 000 000 000

Like you said.. about 470% gained in a year and about 18% lost in a month.  There is nothing new when we consider that bitcoin and other cryptos experience ups and downs in their prices (and accordingly their market caps), right?

And what about the volume ? Ups and downs yes. But a fall of $9 000 000 000 last year would have nearly wipe out BTC lol
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2017, 07:18:27 PM
BTC total Market Cap

11th june 2017 $47 000 000 000 ---> 11th july 2017 $38 000 000 000.  $9 000 000 000 lost in 1 month.

11th july 2016 BTC total market cap $10 000 000 000
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Market crash on: July 11, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
More conspiracy theory.  Its all healthy free market when we go up 1000% but when we correct it's "manipulation"... These kind of claims have been made since Roman times and earlier.

These markets are thinly traded and when enough people want to sell at once the bids can go down fast.  The total market cap is not an indication of how much money people could get if everyone tried to cash out. More like a game of musical chairs.  You'd be lucky to get $20B of the $80B if everyone wanted out.  Same thing goes for global equity and commodity markets.  They are very demand dependent.

Market cap was around $25 000 000 000 until mid April 2017 Then...

From $54 000 000 000 to $116 000 000 000 in 1 month  mid may to mid june 2017 +$62 000 000 000

From $116 000 000 000 to $78 000 000 000 in 1 month  mid june to mid july 2017 -$38 000 000 000

Who do you think this is ? So much money... in and out in such short period of time.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 11, 2017, 06:48:51 PM

What do you mean by if I ? This OP and those charts aren't from JNiks_ZLisaRoll Eyes
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 11, 2017, 10:35:44 AM


Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC)



Litecoin (LTC)

This is a legal coin with a great future. It Will be above $100 by the end of the year 2017.


 
Grin
$7.5

If LTC value is $7,5 then Syscoin should be around $0,000075...
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 10, 2017, 11:54:50 PM
Here is facts:
1. Litecoin have zero progress for 5 years.

Stop spreading bullsh*t.
1070% growth in 5 years is what you call zero progress?


Why you ignore charts?
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/price_in_btc-ltc.html
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/litecoin-transactions.html
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-ltc.html
Litecoin have zero progress for 5 years.


Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC)



Litecoin (LTC)

This is a legal coin with a great future. It Will be above $100 by the end of the year 2017.


 
Grin
174  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: investing $1.20 in hashflare SHA-256 CLOUD MINING on: July 10, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
Profit ? ...Ouuuch I think you'll be very happy to have your $1,20 ...maybe ...one day ...after years ...back.

Then hey if it happen, then you will start making profit.  Cool
175  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where to learn everything about bitcoin and blockchain and cryptocurrency.. on: July 10, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
In case you don't know this one

Bitcoin Wiki

for all your Bitcoin information needs.
1,169 pages. Established April 14, 2010.
This wiki is maintained by the Bitcoin community.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page


There is some interesting infos like devs SegWit support who show that SegWit2x is a joke :

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to solve the ICO and shitcoins madness? on: July 10, 2017, 04:23:58 PM
What's make me smile is the fact that a lot of people saying that ICOs are bad that people will loose their money... are people who don't care about the fact you will loose it all. They will laugh when that happen.
The reality is that at the moment they are jealous because you are doing X10 x 20 ... x100 and they are not in the game because they are scared.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡⛏️[ANN] Giga Watt: Best Home for your Mining. Starts today! on: July 10, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
If you want an answer I think they've already posted that :
"Due to the specifics of your questions, please refer these questions to Support@giga-watt.com"

If you are not happy with it. Don't invest in it.

178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: How high will Litecoin go? on: July 10, 2017, 02:24:46 AM
$24 today, $7.5 august
I hope so, The hardfork + blocksize increase of bitcoin will have made the litecoin will be useless. I know if those are using it to be the second way of bitcoin but it can gets a big dump anytime like what was happened in 2015.
I will not be having a big expectation about that.
I had not thought of that but I think you're right,maybe it would only be useful in case something went wrong,but I do not think that happens like this,developers have had plenty of time to develop all possible scenarios about hardfork and blocksize,so despite the disagreements between the community and the long time elapsed before a solution was proposed and accepted by most,that will be reflected in a few weeks from now.

You guys don't like Litecoin for sure.
If you look up The topic is how high LTC can go. It is not how low he can go.

And since you like BTC so much, instead of destroying Litecoin I think You should more focus on the difficulties BTC is having in resolving his scaling issue and SegWit activation. Which by the way LTC has activated successfully with out all that craziness.

179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sorry me, but it Very important information about litecoin (LTC) on: July 10, 2017, 01:58:38 AM
Wrong. You think you know everything but you don't.

Do you think Charlie Lee quite his job as a Director of Engineering at Coinbase to go full time with Litecoin because they are doing nothing so he can have a good time ?

They is a lot coming ahead for Litecoin development. SegWit have just been implanted and there is Lightning Networks coming. And they are working on new development everyday.

LTC has been introduce as the BTC companion that can test development before it is implanted in BTC if it is necessary. A test network for Bitcoin. But they also have their own developers doing a very good job.

At the moment LTC is even faster with cheaper transaction price than Bitcoin.

That of what  LTC is even faster with cheaper transaction price than Bitcoin does not imply that LTC  is better than BTC does,because the number of transactions of BTC it is much bigger than LTC,you could only compare if they had the same transaction load but it's not like that actually,maybe the activation of segwit
on it could be compared to putting on a life jacket in a place where there is no water,I think they should rather focus on making their network more usable and accepted than anything else.

Well at least they managed to get SegWit Activated without all the fury there is at the moment with BTC Scaling debate and activation.

Not to mention people who want to activate and run SegWit2x joking code --> If you like joke/imaginary real life comparison (or sort of) which I am not sure is very useful But... what about having a life jacket in the middle of the ocean full of sharks.

here is what BTC Devs Think about SegWit2x lol
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support I think it speak for it self. Re lol

As for the network more usable, used, or accept we are early in the game in term of acceptance or use, and we all have to work in that direction. Whether LTC or other Cryptos.
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [QYBB] New Coin Ideas and discussion on: July 10, 2017, 01:32:49 AM
Best solution: A complete ReBoot, but with all the investment you already put into it I am not sure you are willing to do it. You have to understand you'll loose all your work.

Anyway the market will take care of it even if you don't reboot. Shame, this coin project was one of the best I have seen so far.
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