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581  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 04, 2019, 02:23:37 PM


Libra is facing too much resistance and it looks to me that it is never going to realize. First, it was the American law makers who had issues with the project. And now even the partners such as Paypal are no longer interested in it and are looking for an honorable exit. It seems that many of these companies jumped in to the Libra bandwagon too soon, without thinking much about the consequences.

I really doubt whether Mark Zuckerberg has properly studied about the concept of cryptocurrencies. He wanted to take advantage of the hype surrounding Bitcoin and use it to remove the stagnation in the FB revenue growth. Also my guess is that he wanted to compete against Bitcoin, as his rivals (Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss) are well known supporters of BTC.

The issue is that nobody trusts Zuckerberg.

There have been too many problems with privacy, data being misused, data sold to companies without consent etc.

I think governments are OK with crypto as a stand alone.

But crypto that matches up with all your personal data, combined with a rogue company that will happily sell to advertisers not only who you are but how much money you have in your wallet - that's just too much and too dangerous.
582  Economy / Service Discussion / Bitpay has added Ripple on: October 04, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
See the following:

https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/ripples-xrp-to-join-bitcoin-ethereum-and-bitcoin-cash-on-bitpay-201910030424

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BitPay, a leading cryptocurrency payments platform with presence all over the world says that its merchants will soon start to receive Ripple’s XRP as payment for goods and services. The support of XRP brings the total number of cryptocurrency support by BitPay to four. Bitcoin, Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are already used by customers to pay at thousands of merchant shops across the world.

I'd be interested to know if anyone actually used Ripple to pay for anything. I guess we shall soon find out - if no-one uses the service, I expect Bitpay will drop them within a year.
583  Economy / Economics / Re: Financial crisis 2.0 - What will happen to bitcoin in the next crisis? on: October 04, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
The following article is interesting. It's written by someone who spent a lot of time trashing bitcoin back in 2017 and 2018 but has now changed his mind:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies-are-better-than-gold

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The more immediate issue for me is that the philosophical basis for fiat currencies has never been more fragile. No politician in the U.S. is talking about the need to shrink what are becoming very large budget deficits, with the possibility that they can only be financed directly by central banks. This is known as Modern Monetary Theory, or the printing of as much cash as a government needs to fund it's spending

I recommend reading the whole article - but it seems to me that the 2020 US Presidential election is going to be important for bitcoin. If someone like Elizabeth Warren becomes president, and there is modern monetary theory (printing money and just giving it out), a lot of investors will go into bitcoin. Even if Trump wins, he's likely to keep increasing deficits and trying to force the Fed to cut interest rates to weaken the dollar.
584  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 04, 2019, 12:41:17 PM
Looks like Paypal is going to withdraw from the Libra project:

https://www.ft.com/content/6af11092-e5fd-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc


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PayPal is on the verge of quitting Facebook’s Libra project after having pulled out of a key meeting in Washington on Thursday.

All 28 backers of Facebook’s plan for a new global digital currency were due to gather to discuss how Libra would tackle increasing opposition from regulators, but people familiar with the event said PayPal had not been present — the only one not to show.

A decision by the payments group to quit Libra would be a big blow for the project, which is being steered by David Marcus, a Facebook executive who was previously PayPal’s president.

One person close to PayPal said the company was concerned that Facebook has not done enough to address the backlash against the project, especially over money-laundering concerns.

“It doesn’t seem that there was a lot of pre-work done with regulators,” the person said. “[Payments] companies don’t want that [regulatory scrutiny] to bleed into their businesses.”

If they quit and others follow, I doubt Libra will even launch.
585  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / It's going to get harder for alts to list on the big exchanges on: October 04, 2019, 11:29:12 AM
See the following:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2019/09/30/bitcoin-giants-coinbase-circle-kraken-bittrex-grayscale-and-others-band-together-to-rate-tokens/#68441bac7a01

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Now, bitcoin trading and investment giants Anchorage, Bittrex, Circle, Coinbase, DRW Cumberland, Genesis, Grayscale, and Kraken have banded together to create the Crypto Rating Council in order to better decide which digital assets can and cannot be traded on their platforms.

The group have created what they call a "scalable, points-based rating system" to help define whether a cryptocurrency is or is not a security.

The system will use a set of several dozen questions, "derived directly from SEC guidance and case law."

"We also worked hard to focus our framework on objective, repeatable, fact-driven questions that can be answered consistently by technical experts across different assets and over time," Coinbase wrote in a blog post announcing the council.

The system will give bitcoin and similar digital tokens a score between one and five, with a score of one meaning the council’s independent analysis suggests the asset has few or no characteristics consistent with a traditional regulated security.

So in addition to paying them a lot to get listed, the developers of new alts need to jump through these new opaque hoops.
586  Economy / Economics / Re: Can bitcoin help rebuild Venezuela? - Darb Finance on: October 04, 2019, 09:58:04 AM
There are a lot of Venezuelans on Steemit, so I guess crypto in general is helping them earn a living.

I expect they exchange their steem for bitcoin and exchange the bitcoin for dollars or bolivars.

I think going forward alts will be more useful than bitcoin, especially if you can exchange them directly for fiat, or buy stuff with the alts.
587  Economy / Economics / Re: How did the Bakkt launch go? Quick recap on: October 04, 2019, 08:36:24 AM
They launched at the wrong time.

Most institutional investors are getting increasingly jittery about the world economy and are sitting in cash. They don't want to take any risks at all.

Bitcoin and crypto is inherently risky, so the time to launch these types of things is during a bull market when people are feeling optimistic and eager to try new things and take some risks.
588  Economy / Economics / Re: Ethereum managed to pass bitcoin in transaction fees last week on: October 04, 2019, 06:43:31 AM


What miners? Bitcoin miners? I wish them good luck with their SHA256 asics.  Tongue



You know that miners switching will buy equipment that enables them to mine Ether, right?

Basically it's a cost-benefit analysis. They can either stick to bitcoin and make losses, or write off their sha256's, buy new miners and mine something else.
589  Economy / Economics / Re: The re-accumulation period is in on: October 04, 2019, 06:39:41 AM
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You can participate in Maddof schemes for a number of times until you get burnt. This is the equivalent of "im buying the dip because altcoins are low, and altcoins always come back". Eventually, altcoins will not be comming back, and the tide will finally shift towards natural state of things (total BTC domination), then altcoin bagholders will have their last cry on reddit about how they became scammed by this and that token.



It depends very much on the alt doesn't it? At some point someone is going to make an alt that has features retail investors and users find attractive and useful. At which point that alt will do what Facebook did to MySpace.
590  Economy / Economics / Ethereum managed to pass bitcoin in transaction fees last week on: October 03, 2019, 08:39:39 PM
See the following article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ktorpey/2019/09/30/this-cryptocurrency-just-surpassed-bitcoin-in-one-key-adoption-metric/#7a7300d17e2f

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Ethereum briefly passed Bitcoin in one key area last week: total daily USD-denominated transaction fees. In fact, Ethereum miners collected more in fees than Bitcoin miners on this past Saturday and Sunday too, according to Coin Metrics.

...Due to the limitations placed on capacity, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum see higher transaction fees when the networks become congested. This is exactly what has happend with Ethereum over the past month, as total daily USD-denominated transaction fees hit levels not seen in over a year.

So, what has caused the recent spike in Ethereum transaction fees? It appears the blame can be placed on a Ponzi scheme-esque game called FairWin, which also has a critical vulnerability in its associated contract on the Ethereum blockchain. According to on-chain crypto market analytics firm Glassnode, FairWin has recently been consuming up to half of the gas spent on the Ethereum network at any given time.

The spike in FairWin's popularity, according to Etherscan, correlates almost perfectly with the increase in total fees seen on the Ethereum network this month, according to Coin Metrics.

At some point miners might decide to switch to Ether, especially as Ether provides block rewards in perpetuity as well (no halvenings).
591  Economy / Economics / Re: Which currency will dominate the crypto market? Please vote! on: October 03, 2019, 05:18:39 PM


Oh my god. Now I have seen it all.

I agree that millions of people use DOGE and it remains as one of the most popular cryptocurrencies (but not one of the largest, in terms of market capitalization). And you agree that DOGE has seen no development for many years now. Those who created this coin (Jackson Palmer and Billy Markus) are not involved in it anymore and they have moved on with other projects.

One of your arguments is true. It's value is not increasing (for obvious reasons) and therefore people find no reason to hoard it. The fee is very low, and therefore it is being used for payments in a lot of online stores. But in order to remain as a currency, it should have some value associated with it. And ideally a coin that is created just for a joke should not be having any.

It does have some value (otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it to buy anything!

1 Doge basically hovers between $0.002200 and $0.002545, and it's been like that for years and years. It's one of the most stable coins there is, which is why it's so great for ecommerce.

I use doge myself to buy giftcards from time to time.
592  Economy / Economics / Re: Hong kong and China war can lead to possible Bitcoin popularity on: October 03, 2019, 04:50:24 PM
According to the following article, trading in bitcoin has spiked in Hong Kong:

https://decrypt.co/9902/bitcoin-trading-spikes-hong-kong-political-crisis-worsens

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According to data from CoinDance, Bitcoin trading in Hong Kong reached an all-time high this week when measured in Hong Kong dollars. During the last week, more than $12,294,796 HKD (about $1,567,525 USD) worth of Bitcoin was exchanged in Hong Kong, surpassing the record of $11,666,176 HKD set in late January 2018.

If we express these figures in BTC, the numbers are similarly (yet not equally) impressive. A total of 173 bitcoins were exchanged throughout the week, which is a high not seen since April 2017, when traders moved 196 BTC in one week. That figure, however, pales in comparison to the 1086 BTC that were moved at the end of 2015, long before the rally that led Bitcoin to capture the world' s attention

So something is happening, though it isn't yet affecting the overall price of bitcoin.
593  Economy / Economics / Re: CASHING OUT YOUR CRYPTO-CURRENCY PROFITS on: October 03, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Hi everybody, I have a serious question to address:

How will you tell (or reveal) to your Bank that the huge daily (or weekly) deposits into your Bank Account are from crypto-currency profits?
- Would you go to your local Bank Branch and tell them ahead of time, that you are a crypto-currency investor BEFORE you make huge deposits?
- Would you go to your local Bank Branch and tell them that you are a crypto-currency investor AFTER you make huge deposits?


In my case, my bank never asked me about sudden increase in receipts. In 2017-18, I made some big profits from cryptocurrencies and withdrew about 6x of my previous bank balance. But I received no follow-back from my bank. Rather I received call from my bank representative offering me zero-fees credit card and some other privileges.
However, I had to disclose my source of income while paying income tax. In that, I showed all my profits as capital gains and never received any inquiry from Income Tax Department about the exact source of income.
You must be lucky for having that experience that your bank doesn't question any of your transaction of money with their service because in my country, the banks are so strict about the source of our income. They will ask a lot of questions and they will ask for proof also and verify it to really know if we are telling the truth.

It depends entirely on the size of the amounts.

The rules are designed to catch money-launders who deal in vast amounts of money. They don't move a few thousand here and there. So as long as the amounts stay small, they ignore it.
594  Economy / Economics / Re: How Will The Upcoming Recession Affect Bitcoin? on: October 03, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Recessions usually end up with fiat losing value and when fiat loses value then bitcoin gains value.

It depends on whether bitcoin is more attractive than gold. See the following article:

https://www.coindesk.com/gold-not-bitcoin-is-drawing-haven-demand-on-us-recession-fears

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The threat of a recession has sent global equities lower. Notably, the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted more than 450 points in day two of a sell-off.

Meanwhile, gold has risen from $1,460 to $1,500 per ounce in the last 48 hours and is now looking to extend gains. The yellow metal, a classic safe haven asset, is clearly benefiting from the recession concerns and the resulting risk aversion.

Bitcoin, however, has been largely trapped in a $8,200–$8,500 range since Tuesday. In fact, the top cryptocurrency’s bounce from recent lows near $7,700 has run out of steam near the 200-day moving average (MA) resistance at $8,483 over the last 48 hours.

The lack of demand for bitcoin as a safe haven asset amid the economic worries appears to contradict the argument often put forward by many observers that the cryptocurrency is digital gold.

Now we can argue about the reasons why - but I would suggest that the debacle in December 2017 when people were waiting three weeks for their transactions to be confirmed, really dented bitcoin's attraction to investors.
595  Economy / Economics / Re: Bakkt released September 23 Is it going to pump or dump the price? on: October 03, 2019, 01:33:49 PM


The people who were hyped about Bakkt was not the institutional investors, but rather the current hoarders/speculators in the Bitcoin scene. These people had unrealistic expectations about the Billions of dollars that might be invested into Bitcoin futures on the day of the launch and that was simply not realistic at all.

Institutional investors look for stable investments with high returns and a manageable risk to protect investment money that might be used for pension funds. They are not risk takers with high risk investments and they prefer cash settled investments and not something that are settled with actual assets.  Roll Eyes

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Institutional investors need to have a reason to buy bitcoin. Two years ago there was the promise that a proper eco-system would be built with ecommerce accepting bitcoin and so on. And nothing has materialised. And that is why new money is reluctant to enter the space.
596  Economy / Economics / Re: Which currency will dominate the crypto market? Please vote! on: October 03, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Regarding "which coin will dominate", I'm going to go with Dogecoin.

This remarkable little coin has had no development for years (which the exchanges love because they don't have to keep updating wallets). It's on all the exchanges, there are never any delays when you send, the fee is trivial, loads of retailers accept it, eg some of the online casinos. And best of all no-one thinks it is a store of value, so people are happy to spend instead of hoarding.

If any coin is going to become a currency as opposed to an asset, it's doge.
597  Economy / Economics / Re: Big Bankers Say Cryptocurrencies Do Not Threat The Global Financial Stability on: October 03, 2019, 11:36:19 AM
Bankers just want to make money. In a world of negative interest rates and low volatility, cryptocurrency offers the chance to make loads and loads of money because of how volatile it is.

So bankers will not only embrace crypto, they'll try to be the dominant players in trading it.

Governments are different. Some (like in the United States) are relaxed because they believe the dollar is not under threat. The weaker govts that have capital controls in place (like China) have banned crypto because it loosens their control over people.

I know people think bankers and the govt are the same - but in reality they have very different interests.
598  Economy / Economics / Re: The re-accumulation period is in on: October 03, 2019, 10:19:25 AM
The question you need to ask yourself is "If you didn't already own bitcoin, would you buy at these levels?"

I think for most people the answer is No, especially as not much progress is being made in adoption as a currency (as opposed to a speculative asset).

If you look back to the 1990's and the adoption of the internet, there was huge progress being made on all fronts (dial-up changing to broadband, ISPs mushrooming at a reasonable price, security concerns addressed, increase in retailers selling online etc).

That's not happening in the crypto space. Security at the exchanges is still poor. The architecture of bitcoin is still slow (and the backlogs get unbearable at peak times). There isn't an increase in retailers accepting bitcoin or crypto currency.

The hard work in building an eco-system has ground to a halt.
599  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the Bitcoin is still down? on: October 03, 2019, 09:48:36 AM
what is the another ways to lifted up the Value of bitcoins in the market?

The bitcoin price is down currently because there is a correction going on in the market. Maybe in a month or two the bitcoin price will start moving upwards.

Also there are no new retail investors - if you check out Google Trends the term "bitcoin" is well down on where it was in June. A lot more work needs to go into marketing bitcoin as a currency and an asset before we see retail investors come back into the cryptocurrency space.
600  Economy / Economics / Re: Average savings across the globe on: October 02, 2019, 07:54:59 PM
How is Japan at -0.47%?  Shocked



Japan is an OLD society - most people are over 50, it has the highest average age in the world, and the most pensioners.

The rule of thumb is that young people save for their retirement. But old people then draw down and spend their savings as they're retired and too old to work.

So it's possible that young Japanese are saving 10% of their income, but old Japanese are drawing down 5% of their savings. When you get to the stage where the old outnumber the young, then the average across the country is negative.
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