Just out of curiosity (i'm in no rush) but when do the locked up tokens get released and how do we claim them?
Thanks

IOTA Foundation about to announce partnership with Volkswagen?? - https://youtu.be/EXjCqT-oK9M?t=34m31s

Public service announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5NTKh-MNH8&t=579s

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Viacoin surging, been breaking the $1 barrier all morning

Segwit voting has begun!

Does anyone know if there have been any segwit blocks mined yet or where we can monitor the rate of adoption?

Did anyone figure this out? I'm having the same problem.

That is true but the exploit would be immediately visible and the coins would become worthless. There is no incentive in the Zcoin ecosystem.

From the first paragraph of the Zcoin section:

Check this out:
http://pastebin.com/d6090SES

I've been reading through the benchmarks since and discovered -
On a quad-core benchmark server, generating a private transaction consumes ~3.2 GB of memory and ~50 seconds of compute time."

In light of the above what are the implications for end users?

For example will there ever be a mobile device app for zcash given the amount of resources it takes to create and broadcast a private transaction? I would imagine a remote server building the transaction for you would be out of the question as I should think it would require access to the private components sending the zero knowledge aspect out the window.

I'm using a 4GB core i5 lenovo running ubuntu which I (used to) consider rather high end. 48% of my memory is currently allocated so from what I just read I can't use zcash because I don't have enough RAM, is that right?

Reposted here because limited response in slack...

Putting whichever crypto religion we've sworn our allegiance to this week aside, I'm looking for feedback here:
I can swap some btc for some zcash using bitsquare, perform a zcash transaction to break any traceability and sell my zcash (on bitsquare again) and get myself a lovely new btc with no previous history that can be linked to me.
I can perform the exact same series of steps and achieve the exact same result with zcoin (because it too is based on the zerocoin protocol).

So why then is zcash $70 (down from +2MM) whilst zcoin is $0.70c (down from $10) when the only extra thing zcash seems to offer is undetectable money creation due to the necessity of a trusted setup (which zcoin also had but due to the visibility of the money supply detecting a compromise would be arbitrary)?

The knee jerk reaction I'm expecting is that "it's more anonymous because you cannot see the transaction values" but this is a moot point imo because the whole purpose is to cryptographically break the transaction history which is achieved by both.

Isn't it true that the extra lengths zcash goes to is more like 'security theatre', just like when the zcash founders burned the computer which generated the master private keys. Yeah it looked nice but... so what?

In summary then, why would someone pay 100x more for an equivalent feature found in another coin? Apart from undetectable fraud and higher resource consumption what does zcash offer over zcoin?

Also check out the zcoin and zcash roadmaps respectively.

ps
Don't give me that 'topological analysis' c**p bacause you can see the amounts, you cannot follow coins around in the zcoin blockchain, it's impossible which is why zerocoin was described as perfect money over 3 years ago.

I'm not trying to troll, I'm genuinely intrigued as to what the zcash community knows that I don't?

pps
zcoin is not a zcash clone, in fact zcoin is older than zcash because it was launched ~1 week earlier.

Many thanks for the response @polycryptoblog, my apologies I actually thought this was the zcash thread

I've been reading through the benchmarks since and discovered -
In light of the above what are the implications for end users?

For example will there ever be a mobile device app for zcash given the amount of resources it takes to create and broadcast a private transaction? I would imagine a remote server building the transaction for you would be out of the question as I should think it would require access to the private components sending the zero knowledge aspect out the window.

I'm using a 4GB core i5 lenovo running ubuntu which I (used to) consider rather high end. 48% of my memory is currently allocated so from what I just read I can't use zcash because I don't have enough RAM, is that right?

Why Zcash when there is Zcoin?

I've been minting, sending and buying zcoin for the past few days and I honestly feel that it is equal to (and in many ways greater than) zcash.

In fact I find I am much more comfortable with zcoin because it has received almost no hype and so is rationally priced as opposed to zcash which started life on the markets at a blistering $2,000,000 each if I'm not mistaken.

Zcoin and zcash for crypto reasons were initially setup using a system which requires trust on the developers part which means that if the setup were to be compromised it would be immediately visible on the zcoin chain but completely undetectable on the zcash chain because you cannot see the currency amounts.

Some may argue at this point that zcoin is inferior in terms of privacy because the amounts are visible and if you believe that to be the case then you do not understand how the zerocoin protocol works or why it's been a topic of such note and discussion for the past few years.

Zerocoin was proposed by Johns Hopkins University professor Matthew D. Green and graduate students Ian Miers and Christina Garman. Not exactly a fly-by-night outfit I'm sure you'll agree.

I found this video helpful:


Disclaimer, I don't work for zcoin but I am a software developer and I do develop security oriented applications based on crypto.

I ended up not selling my coins due to the speedie and comprehensive responses from our new dev, I've actually got some confidence in this dude.

I probably should us polo

Well he's gone and he did his best to imply that Romano gave him the idea. If drak did any development work for via in the last 18 months it likely involved photographs.

Are you emotional because your boyfriend just left?

TCP did it, many thanks