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101  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: July 11, 2013, 02:23:03 AM
For those thinking they can't receive a refund, you may want to call Paypal (assuming that's how you paid).

The surprisingly nice Paypal rep said that normally they don't offer buyers protection after 45 days but because the account was a long standing account they would do it (opened in 2005).  About an hour later, the status on my BFL order was changed to 'Refunded'.

For those of you who have ordered less than 45 days ago and would like to keep the Paypal refund option available to you after 45 days, you need to contact Paypal before the 45th day window is up and let them know you haven't yet received your order.  That way they will track the status and your refund will be eligible after the 45 days are up.
102  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: July 10, 2013, 02:58:57 AM
Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html


Wow, I ordered about a week after you, still nothing.  Got an email from Anthony Fast  (chips@butterflylabs.com) that they would ship in 14 days.  That was 2 weeks ago, I emailed him again.  Waiting for a reply.

I had more 100+ buys lined up but I'll not be buying more until I see samples.


buying from BFL is a bad bet at first place. but keeping up with deadlines is not what BFL is about anyway.

I see it now.  They cannot be trusted what they say.

Their "chips sales guy" said 14 days, now he does not reply to emails.

I'm not sure if they will actually deliver chips in 100 days.

I would recommend for people to stop buying chips from these guys until they send out samples.


103  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL ignores their own customers/investors on their official forum. on: July 07, 2013, 08:56:01 AM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

"In the past week we went from "all back orders shipping by end of August" to now "September".. and hold your breath and wait for "October" because we know it's coming. "


104  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] BFL 4 GH/s Chips - .85 btc per chip: 2988 available (512 sold) on: July 06, 2013, 09:17:04 AM
Canary,

Did they send you sample chips yet?

105  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL refund through Paypal claim on: July 06, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
... in 2 months ...

106  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: July 06, 2013, 01:37:59 AM
Post you BFL refund queue position here!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248447.msg2665332#msg2665332


I asked for a refund and was refused here is a copy of the email for your amusement.

I am going to challenge paypal even though it has passed the 45 days because according to their terms you can not take money for products that they do not have to sell.

So I will see what happens - not holding my breath though

I am in the UK


Quote
From: Butterfly Labs Inc [office@butterflylabs.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:49 PM
To: Chris J R******
Subject: Re: Order Number 100034910

Thank you for contacting Butterfly Labs.  According to the terms you agreed to on checkout, all sales are final.  Now that shipping of orders has begun, refunds will not be processed.  Your order will be shipped per your position in the order queue.  Thank you for your patience and understanding.


For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/>

Best regards,
Sabina
BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Chris R**** <Chris.*****.co.uk> wrote:

Hello,

I placed my order on the 6th Arpil order number 100034910, I was aware it was a pre order item - but you did state that it would be 2 months! I can not wait any longer and I require the money due to a change in circumstances.

Therefore I would kindly request that you cancel my order and refund the money.

Many thanks

Chris R*****


There you have it folks!

Now, put this thread back in the Custom Hardward where it NOW belongs for all to see it.
107  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: July 05, 2013, 07:44:03 PM

Yes if you haven't received your refund by now you can file complaint with the Federal trade commission.  They will advocate for you and make sure you get your funds.

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

You can do this with any product if the business is located in the US.

108  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides' finally sticking it up his investors' asses! on: June 30, 2013, 09:58:22 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/06/30/butterfly-labs-crumbles-getting-mass-refund-requests-units-catching-fire-and-fans-failing/
109  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: June 01, 2013, 04:44:54 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=221865.msg2335644#msg2335644


Information Solicitation For Potential Butterfly Labs Inc. Lawsuit

After reading this post in its entirety, please feel free to repost this solicitation for information anywhere you deem useful.  In doing so, please follow the Terms and Conditions of any forum you choose to engage.
   
Date: May 31, 2013

I have been asked by a partner at my law firm to do research regarding Butterfly Labs, Inc., a Wyoming corporation (“BFL”) sale of “The Bitforce line of ASIC Super Computer bitcoin miners” (“Bitforce Computers”).  This solicitation regards all configurations of the Bitforce Computers.  This solicitation includes information pertaining to all BFL officers, directors, employees, authorized representatives, subsidiaries, affiliates, assigns and any other party involved in creating, producing, delivering or modifying the Bitforce Computers.   We are interested in information relating to BFL Customers who have received nonconforming Bitforce Computers; BFL Customers that are waiting for Bitforce Computers; and Bitforce Customers who have requested refunds, whether received or not.  Each circumstance is being individually considered for potential claims. 

In addition, my firm is interested in any information pertaining to the following individuals’ (or associated addresses) involvement in the sale, representation, communications and/or BFL customer service:

Josh R. Zerlan
18400 Juniper Ter., Gardner, KS 66030 ‎

Chris A. Vleisides
9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114; (or)
2507 Jefferson St., Kansas City, MO 64108;

Chris T. Vleisides
9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114; (or)
2507 Jefferson St., Kansas City, MO 64108;

Connie-Ann Vleisides
9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114;
 
Gregory W. Vleisides, Esq.
Missouri Bar Number: 25557
Date Admitted: 5/5/1977
1801 NW Platte Rd., Suite
Kansas City, MO 64105

Sonny Chris Vleisides

Nasser Ghoseiri

**Disclaimer: The listing of these names is not an accusation of wrongdoing, but merely part of an investigation.**

Specifically, attorneys at my firm are contemplating claims relating to the following:

1.   Pre-order sales of the Bitforce Computers line;
    a.   Any and all documentation relating to the sale of Bitforce Computers;

2.   BFL’s failure to delivery Bitforce Computers within stated timeframes (e.g. sales receipts, emails or posting relating to shipping dates, etc.);
    a.   Any and all information pertaining to BFL changing time frames and disclaimers over time.  It is important to capture information regarding BFL’s changing terms, disclaimers, and representations over time;
   
    b.   Any information relating to economic AND/OR consequential losses due to BFL failure to deliver. 

3.   BFL’s failure to deliver Bitforce Computers conforming to original specifications (e.g. power consumption, size, etc.);

4.   Any and all documents and email communications pertaining to BFL’s failure to promptly refund customer(s);

5.   Information and evidence relating to BFL’s “UPGRADE/TRADE IN Option.”

    a.   When BFL took delivery of your FPGA;

    b.   Any and all evidence establishing the use of your device subsequent to your sending it to BFL;

    c.   Where possible, calculations relating to lost revenues due to your participation in BFL’s Upgrade Option;

6.   Any information pertaining to BFL attempts to cover-up customer dissatisfaction through means such as erasing forum postings;

7.   Any information pertaining to BFL attempts to offer complaining customers accords or satisfaction (e.g. moving them ahead of other customers); and

8.   Any information relating to BFL delivery of Bitforce Computers to individuals not already in their sales queue for promotional purposes and/or testing (e.g. Instances where BFL sent reporters, blogger, testers or favored customers Bitforce Computers before those who had a prior pre-sale order).

NOTE: Please provide screen captures of any information posted on forums.   Merely linking to posting will not be as useful and could potentially allow for the deletion or destruction of potential evidence.       

CONTACT:  For the sake of efficiency we are not entertaining phone conversation pertaining to this matter at the moment.  Please forward all documents, email, contact information and materials relating to BFLinformation@gmail.com.  I additionally invite any BFL, Inc., representatives to contact me at the aforementioned email address to discuss a settlement of potential claims. 

**DISCLAIMER:  The information contained in this post is not intended to be nor does it constitute legal advice.  The information does not necessarily reflect the most current legal developments.  You should not act or refrain from acting based upon information discussed herein.  The information you provide does not create an attorney-client relationship.  Information provided to us by you will not necessarily be treated as privileged or confidential as it will be freely used in our investigation in contemplation of potential litigation.**   
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