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quote BFL forum "ASIC Pre-Shipment Testing Policy OR why shipment is so slow Ever since BFL started shipping orders , I was wondering why it is taking them so long to fulfill everything If it takes only 5 min to assemble , units should have been flying out the door . If they have `problems with the supply chain and it is not solved by now , 3 months into shipping , somebody needs to pay the price and go home. Maybe they don't work hard or long hours ? This could be an option as well . I like to look at this from a different angle Every unit that is built , goes through a 'burn in' test . Running the unit for 24 hours to make sure its ok . This is a great policy and I am very happy about it . But ... Lets talk numbers , and I must state its my assumptions : According to Josh , Jala will be built at the rate of 400 units a day . Let's assume they are at 100 units a day . This is equal to 500GH (+-10%)
60x30GH = 1.8TH
30X50GH= 1.5TH
One mini rig = 500GH
This total to 5.3-5.5 TH , running on 24/7
At the current difficulty , this comes to 6.5k$ . Every day . Nice
Now , why should I hurry and ship ? Maybe I am wrong here and I like to apologize if I am . The fact that BFL activities are not transparent to their customers , makes me wonder" https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/4233-asic-pre-shipment-testing-policy-why-shipment-so-slow.html |
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quote BFL forum "This equates to almost no movement, let me explain: Jalapenos: Nov 19, 2012 pay date the day before it was Nov 18th so one day of production.
Little Singles: August 27-29, 2012 pay date This appears like a lot but no one orders Little Singles its the least ordered SKU so to ship 10 days you have to get about 15 units out the door.Singles: June 27, 2012 pay date (the last June 26 order of 12 units shipped) there are a lot of June 27 orders and I think about 1/2 are shipped. Still working on the 4th day of production, been on June23rd to June27th for over 80 daysMiniRigs: No MiniRigs shipped today.
DUHSo keep thanking Jody, Thank her again at Christmas, Twice on New Years and Again on Presidents Day. While its not her fault, she has no parts to build your orders and/or she has no people to build your orders.End of September? Ha! September 2014 Maybe." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/277-friday-august-9-2013-shipping-update-page3.html#comment7020 |
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quote: "The information that I am publishing here confirms some of the worst fears which have been expressed by many people about Butterfly Labs (BFL)" "While I was at the Data Center I spoke extensively with Joe of J.Morgan Hosting; an outfit which is in reality a BFL front as certain BFL execs own a good portion of it and Joe, being a geek, really likes to impress people with his geekiness. This means that when he started talking, he just couldn’t shut up and told me all sorts of things, perhaps thinking that I was directly involved in what I must now call fraud on a truly massive scale." http://bflfraud.com/ |
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quote BFL_Jody "Monday, August 5, 2012 Shipping Update Jalapenos: None shipped; still at Nov. 14, 2012 Little Singles: Now shipping August 2, 2012Singles: Still shipping June 26 (a couple of LARGE orders left to ship) MiniRigs: Quite a few MiniRigs shipped. They are shipped 500 Gh/s at a time, so each order ships 1/3 of a full Rig each time. All June Orders have been shipped at least one Rig per order. Now starting 1st Rig of July orders and 2nd Rig of June Orders. If you don't have a MiniRig order just ignore this conversation. Thanks for all your posts to the Saturday Marathon. I need to close comments for awhile so I can concentrate on shipping. I do read all your comments, though. who was that masked man BCP19?" https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/270-monday-august-5-2012-shipping-update.html |
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quote "BFL should really own up to their misjudgements in this case. That is really what this is about. BFL misjudged their delivery dates. Not owning up to it makes it seem like it was a lie, or a deception in order to get pre-order money. The reason for the anger is not so much the delivery date we now have, but the lack of truth when we made our decisions to invest in this product. The defensiveness and lack of transparency of the BFL staff has also compounded the issue. You ask us to be patient and trust you, but give us no evidence that anything is really changing, that shipments have gone up, or that you really have done anything to ship closer to your recently purposed shipping dates. This after failing to meet dates in the past...do you really wonder why there is a trust issue? I hate to do it but I think canceling is starting to become a reality for me. I was dead set against it because the numbers looked like a good investment...but well..they just get worse and worse. Give us some transparency so we can make informed choices. Give us a by order deliver date that you can actually make with current output, and then give us a pie in the sky date if output ramps the way you hope it will. Oh and start treating your customers like they are always right...even if you think they are loons. Treat us right, we will treat you right..not that hard. Right now...just seems like lies." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers-page5.html#comment6679 |
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quote: "The thing that really seems like a slap in the face, dishonest and down right deceitful is that all of the products you can order today say "delivery may take 2 months or more after order"... Ok I know it says "or more" but you really might as way say delivery will take two days or more, it's the same difference. That statement implies that there is some belief that orders placed now would ship in two months give or take, when there is no indication of that.... in fact Jody states here that she does not know, yet it still says two months or more on the product page. Someone going to the order page for the first time (now or months ago, as this phrase has been on the order page for I don't know how long, over two months now to be sure) reading that statement without going here first would think hey, a few months isn't that bad. Greed and dishonesty by BFL, plain and simple. SO when it comes right down to it, BFL is ok with lying to people, or at the least being very misleading. As an extension of that, I really don't see any point in listening to any of these updates as I wouldn't put any more stock in them, we have seen repeated claims that units will be delivered by x only for those estimates to be missed without any credible explanation... so while people ask for numbers of units shipped and more details, I'm thinking what is the point, they will just lie to you. So either a lie or no information... which is better?" https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers-page5.html#comment6680 |
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quote: " I am not sure why they are dragging feet and only ordering boxes of 100 at a time when they are supposed to be MASS producing...? Of course they have no need for DOUBLE staff because they are not ordering enough to supply them with work. I am never one to complain on these forums until today. I am just so embarrassed and disappointed in the way that this whole company talks to the public as if they are royalty and we are peasants. It is just not cool to keep talking down to us as if we would even be reading their posts if we had not ordered yet and telling us not to order if we do not like the way they do things.?? WTF..The whole thing is silly, I am just hoping that one day soon I can get my 3 singles in hand so I can re coop a little bit of my hoped investment. I had a very strange feeling when I made this order back in February when I first heard of bitcoin that it was all too good to be true. WE ARE ALL CURRENT CUSTOMERS THAT SPENT OUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON YOUR BUSINESS VENTURE ALMOST AS IF IT WAS STOCK IN YOUR COMPANY AND WE DESERVE BETTER TREATMENT THAT THIS PLEASE. I just want truth and kindness and not to be treated as a whole bunch of scumbags. Thanks" https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers-page3.html#comments |
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quote "Why wait so long to double staff: Our staff makes what we get everyday. If they build all they get everyday, doubling the staff is pointless. Now that more boards are coming daily we can build more each day with more people." Ok at least we got one new bit of data, they are dealing with supply chain issues everyday, they run out of stuff daily. So currently they are out of some part to build Jalapenos and Singles if you believe Jody https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers.html#comment6566quote @BFL_Jody : "Some say we have shipped very few products: If you complain that we ship little and that the difficulty is rising rapidly, you just don't understand how this whole BTC thing works." Your arrogance towards your customers is absolutely unheard of, your lack of empathy for the people that are responsible for keeping you employed is palpable. I'm done being treated this way. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers.html#comment6570 |
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quote: "The story so far Butterfly Labs (BFL) is working with more than 1 year back-log of pre-orders. Since the company has no structured information about how this back-log is being cleared, several attempts to illustrate and keep track of the limited information from the company have been made - this is one of them. BFL_Jody (corporate officer and sec/treasurer) keeps the only daily blog with shipping information, otherwise the organisation is highly tightlipped. The shipping blog lists information about which pre-order pay-dates have been shipped. The blog does not include any information about the number of units shipped, which is information that BFL does not want to share. Nor does the blog explain when production and shipping is slowed down. In fact most questions posed by the ever-increasingly dismayed public go unanswered. It is fair to assume that the company is struggling, not only with supply-chain, production and shipping - but also customer service. BFL has promised that the back-log would be cleared this summer, but the deadline has been pushed back several times and at this point it appears unlikely that the latest deadline can be met. BFL is also trying to discourage refunds, by referring to shady customer locked-in-purchase strategies. The coming month (August 2013) is likely to see more disputes regarding refunds as customers loose faith." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2713-time-table-simplified.html#post33138 |
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quote BFL jody
"1 AUGUST - Singles: All shipped through June 26
2 AUGUST - Singles: Not many--still at June 26"
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quote BFL_Jody "Jalapenos: None shipped today, so we are still at Nov. 14,2012 Little Singles: shipping July 31, 2012 today Singles: Not many--still at June 26MiniRigs: Shipped a lot of MiniRigs from June 23/ 2012. Doubled our MiniRig staffThe rules for this post: I will only tell you the pay dates for orders shipped, Not quantities; not the order numbers.
I am too sleepy to say more tonight. Ask me a question I can answer and I will post on Saturday---well, later on Saturday, like day time." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/266-friday-august-2-2013-shipping-update.html |
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Re: Criminal proceedings against Butterfly Labs for fraud quote / translation "The case was closed. BFL had indeed refused to make a refund but after I reported the American trade supervision, BFL has refunded me the 15,000 USD back." Das Verfahren wurde eingestellt. BFL hatte sich zwar geweigert ein Rückzahlung zu leisten aber nachdem ich es der Amerikanischen Handelsaufsicht gemeldet habe, hat BFL mir die 15,000 USD zurück erstattet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255178.msg2846193#msg2846193 |
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... 900 units a day ... quote BFL_Office: The setup has a conservative capacity of 300 units per 8 hour shift or 900 units in a 24 hour day. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/article-comments/58-article-butterfly-labs-invests-heavily-high-speed-production-equipment-2.html#post886quote BFL_josh: "I am often asked the question "If I order now, when do you expect my order to ship." This is a hard question to answer, since we don't know exactly how long it takes to assemble a unit. However, the best estimate we have for this is that if you order today, 13 January 2013, you would likely receive your order around the middle of March or possibly sooner if you're ordering a Jalapeno or a Single" https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/129-13-jan-13-asic-update.html13 January 2013" We have all of our parts needed to build the units in stock, with the exception of the chips. We have taken delivery of all of our Chinese made components at this time and they are filling up our warehouse and the assembly plant warehouse. Our fab is not located in China and our chips will be done before CNY in any event. Our packaging plant is located in California and obviously not affected by CNY, our assembly house is located in the US and thus also not affected." |
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quote BFL_Josh "Once again, we aren't discussing that in this particular context. We are discussing why some people can't post in the shoutbox. As to why people are banned, if you want to post like a child or be a troll, then, well... go to Bitcointalk. They love trolls there. If you want to act like an adult, well then, you're welcome here." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4102-butterfly-labs-protest-5.html#post50228BFL forum "A lot of the posts and people who gets disappeared are not spamming in the sense that they are selling or advertising something... Just pointing out things that are inconvenient. It's enough that Caesar gets annoyed and label it as "spam"." |
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quote BFL_Jody Tuesday, July 30, 2013 Shipping Update 136 Comments Go to first new comment by BFL_Jody , 07-30-2013 at 09:49 PM ( 3549 Views) Jalapenos still shipping Nov 14, 2012 pay date Little Singles shipping June 25, 2012 pay date Singles June 24-26 pay dates (no orders from June 23 shipped) MiniRigs from June 23 shipped. Today was a very good day at BFL. A lot of units built, tested and shipped. Thanks to the person who said they got tracking numbers. Most of the people we ship to don't post on this forum because if they did we would be seeing many posts about getting tracking numbers. Really, if this blog makes you so angry, why read it? Reading my boring blog is not going to make your order ship faster. Address Change Specialist is not their titles. It's just that I have a couple of guys working for me that are very good and careful with address changes. We never said we would not change your address--that was a competitor who said that. We only said we are not shipping to someone else if you sell the item. The rat terrier is packing up his toys to go home. The chickens say, "Good riddance. We have a lot of business to do on the porch once we get rid of that dog." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/259-tuesday-july-30-2013-shipping-update.html |
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