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321  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 19, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
that drillbit pci-e card looks awesome, hope to see it can be use for better ghash chip in the future, then i might go for this
Is it a PCI-e connector? Will I be able to plug one of these boards straight into my motherboard slots - that would be awesome.

No, its not a PCI-e connector, though we are looking into that for future designs. That connector is for stacking boards together into the backplane and mini backplane.
322  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: Organizing a group buy for 50+ BFL 600 GH/s Monarch ASIC cards on: August 19, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
this post is a joke right? i'm waiting for the punchline..
Punchline is in the video in my signature.

Love it!
323  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 19, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
that drillbit pci-e card looks awesome, hope to see it can be use for better ghash chip in the future, then i might go for this

Yes, we do plan to build Drillbit boards for future chips. Currently though we're going with the Bitfurys. The hashrate is still good, and it looks like they will actually deliver.  Grin
324  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 19, 2013, 08:48:41 AM
Hey guys.

Ok, time to address recent discussions that have been taking place here. I have been gobbled up by work deadlines lately but I've got a minute now to write some responses. I’m going to do all this in one post to save putting up a million posts.  Smiley



Any plans for a "full kit" type miner that does not require a USB connection ?
No. These miners will still need a computer to run them. The computer can be anything, any platform. As others have mentioned, you could get a Raspberry Pi to run it if you want a compact mining set up.



What cooling is needed for the board?  Roll Eyes
The board will run fine on its own. That said, once you start overclocking the chips, you will be looking at a lot more heat and cooling will become an issue. Basically, the cooler the better. A fan running along the length of the board will do a lot. From there you could look at heatsinks and liquid cooling. We are looking into heatsinks potentially being prebuilt into the board, or more likely being an optional addon. More on this when we get to it.



Any plans for a "full kit" type miner that does not require a USB connection ?
Buy a Raspberry Pi like everyone else does.


I intend to use my old Dell Mini 9. 5~6W at idle with networking and the screen off, and ~7W with light browser usage and the screen always on but at minimum brightness. Not too shabby for x86 and a first gen Atom on 945GM. Smiley

We are also looking at a standalone GUI to give you direct control over various parts of the board, allowing you to easily adjust voltage and overclocking of the chips.

Barntech

Any word on what platform this software will run on? Windows and/or linux? x86 and/or ARM? Or will it simply rely on cgminer to make those adjustments? I'm just curious as I've never had any luck getting GPU vCore settings for my HD7950's to stick in cgminer. Always needed to use Afterburner/Trixx.

The GUI idea is something we will get to if we have time. In the meantime though, the board and firmware will be built to run using Cgminer, which is cross platform, so you will be good to run this miner on pretty much any system.



That would be unrelated, GPUs use the ATI library and if the ATI library doesn't support something, that is ATI's fault.
The extra programs that allow you to avoid the ATI limitations indeed are custom and not OS independent, the ATI library is.

In cgminer I talk directly to the USB devices and can use any USB control necessary as required by the firmware
e.g. in the BitBurner we use control transfers to set and get the voltage and that's available via the API also at any time while cgminer is running

However, regarding cgminer support, I've no idea ... I'm awaiting a reply from Barntech Smiley

I’ve just written a response to Kano and the ball is rolling regarding Cgminer support. Will keep you all updated with our progress.



Is my math off, or this this much more expensive than from megabigpower or bitfurystrikesback?

I’d say your maths is off. Please see this post for details. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266235.msg2924259#msg2924259



Why does the first post still say: "shipping prices to be updated shortly"?

If I order through PayPal will shipping prices be automatically added?


No, if you order from Paypal, the shipping prices won’t be automatically added. Shipping will be sorted out down the track.

The reason the first post still says shipping will be updated shortly is because I just haven’t had time to get the shipping details sorted out yet. Turns out to be quite time consuming running a project like this. That said, I WILL get the shipping details up in the next week. In the meantime I have been quoting people a rough guess of $50 - $100 for shipping, but this will depend on quantity and type of shipping.



if it is designed to be used with raspberry pi are we going to have instructions on how to run these boards?

I never used a raspberry pi before i am interested in learning how to use one



The boards are not specifically designed to run with a raspberry Pi, that would be rather odd. A raspberry PI is essentially a small computer. By all means, go out there and learn how to use one. They are cool. By as someone else mentioned, that’s another topic for another forum thread.  Smiley



That's just comparing individual chips though. Comparing the more important ratio, hashes per dollar:

BitFury 400G: 400GH/s for $8000 = 50.0 MH/s per dollar (Rasp Pi included in price)
Drillbit Board: 16GH/s for $300 = 53.3 MH/s per dollar (plus the cost of the host computer)

So not that different really. Plus you don't have to fork out a whopping $8k straight away. The power efficiency of the 400GH/s rig is also a bit lower than the Drillbit boards, moreso when you compare using the more power efficient stock 2GH/s rating of the Bitfury chips, rather than 2.7GH/s.

It is great, the value in MH/s per $. The problem we will all be facing is the difficulty level. 3 of the best/deepest predictions are looking at a December difficulty of 200 million, some as high as 500 million.
If you consider the compounding of the difficulty, the ONLY way to break even is if the price goes higher. http://www.coinish.com/calc/#

I do think the price is going higher, very much so by the charts and buy sizes the last month or so. (Large players are moving in - big buys.)

I'm looking hard at the Drillbit system. Lot of bang for the buck.

In terms of GH / $ ratio, The Drillbit system is pretty solid compared to other offerings out there. On the difficulty front, yes its quite scary whats going on there. There’s nothing much we can do about that other that make sure we get these boards hashing as quick as possible, which is of course, the general plan  Grin



Nice jobs for the Drillbit board!! it is beauty, would you do a picture of hook up of the 4 board for better understanding?

it is interesting to have more clearing picture on it. Hope this request will not bring too much work load.

+1
I cannot see the connector for the other boards (top port?) on the model you just shown up. I can find the backplane port, the power plug, and the USB port. So I cannot figure out how the "stack" of 4 board looks like.


Quote from: barntech link=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266235.msg2847413#msg2847413
The ASIC board has 3 ports built in. The top port on the first board takes a data distribution board - like the FPGA board in the Avalon miner, only much, much simpler. It comes included with the initial purchase of a DrillBit board so you are ready to start mining as soon as you get it, nothing more required. But when you want to add more hashing power, this is where the DrillBit system really shows its advantages over other systems. If you want to double your hashrate to 43.2GH, just get another ASIC card and plug it into the bottom port of the first card. Its that simple. No big strings of USB hubs, no messy cables or setup changes. The data distribution card automatically registers the extra ASIC card and operates accordingly. Up to 4 cards can be stacked in this way.

This is not very clear to me. Could it be that one board is different from the others? Are there different models of "8 chips boards"? If so, I need 4 "first boards" for my 16 boards order.


OK, so there have been some recent developments to the board design. What we will probably going with now is making the 4 stack happen by way of a ‘mini backplane’ rather than connectors built into to each boards, basically this will be a more streamlined approach. So if you want to stack 4 boards you will get 4 boards (like the one you see in the picture) and a mini backplane to link them all together. The mini backplane will come free with any purchase of 2 or more boards. The other potential design variation will be connecting multiple mini backplanes to create larger stacks, either as well as, or in replacement for the large 16 board backplane. The functionality will be the same with these changes, just looking at a different implementation.



Is there a working prototype yet? If so, do you have a video of it hashing?

No, there isn’t a working prototype yet. Where we are at currently is that the proto boards have gone off for manufacture and will be back in about a week. From there we will be assembling and testing. Trust me, when there is something to show off I will be showing it off.  Shocked



Ok, that covers most of it. Sorry that was a mega post. Congratulations for making it this far. I have not responded to certain things because good responses were already given.

A couple requests, In the future, if your question is specific to your order, please PM me instead of posting here. Let’s try to keep this forum for discussions that pertain to everyone.

Cheers.

Barntech
325  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 19, 2013, 03:50:47 AM
Hey Guys.

Sorry for my absence the last couple of days. I've been busy with some hectic work deadlines, which are now done. I'll be back in front of the computer in a couple hours to answer everyone's questions.

Barntech
326  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 05:43:24 AM
I paid for one fully assembled board on August 10th and just sent BTC for 16 more chips.  I'll send more for the assembly cost of two more boards in a week or two.

Thanks!

Chad

Got your payment. Thanks Chad.
327  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 04:18:56 AM
And onto the website debate.

I know what you mean about shiny websites feeling untrustworthy. Especially in bitcoin land. There have been so many vaporware companies pop up with shiny websites announcing billion gigahash miners available for preorder now. Whenever i see one of these sites, i instantly think "yeah right, what a load of shit". I have written to many of them using their pretty user support forms and almost always got nothing back.

What we are doing here is not really a commercial enterprise where we want to lure people in and take their money using our shiny website. That website i set up was never really intended to be a "website" per se, but rather a place where people can go and make their orders for the group buy.

Now all that said, i have been intending on making that page slightly more attractive, and putting up some more information on their for people who stumble onto it without coming via the forum.

MRKLYE has offered to contribute some time to building the site up. To be honest it is a welcome offer as it takes one thing off my plate. I'm going to get him to have a run at it and see what he comes up with. Don't worry, we're not going to get another BFL or KNC esque site. I'll make sure it still stays true to the DIY nature of this whole thing, whilst being a bit nicer to use, clearer and more informational (if that is even a word).

Thanks MRKYLE for the offer.

 Smiley
328  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 04:01:32 AM
I might as well buy one of the chips now while I still have the btc and while there are still chips lol..  Anyone know which exchange to go by? BTC-E is ~$96, Bitstamp is ~$98, and MtGox is ~$109   =/
Forget about getting money in or out of Gox in a hurry.


Well I'm just sending btc not exchanging.  The first post mentioned to calculate based on the exchange rate but yet didn't specify WHICH exchange to use to calculate .-.

Use Gox for exchange rate. Most people seem to still use them as the benchmark (correct me if i'm wrong)... but yes, so far everything has been done following the Gox rate.
329  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 03:57:12 AM
I'd get in on this, but everyday that goes by is another day on the back end because you still haven't ordered chips yet at the remaining 1600 chips you need to get sold are going at a snails pace.

What you should do is ask Dave if you can place an order for a smaller batch and make a go of it, because at this rate you won't have chips ordered for another 60 days, then its too late.



Pleased to announce that the chips have been ordered.  Grin

We have made a deposit with Megabigpower to secure an October reel of chips, so this is going ahead regardless. Basically now it is a matter of whether we fill the chip order with orders from the community or buy whats left out ourselves once we get to October. Honestly though i highly doubt it will get to that. As others have mentioned, the orders are moving quite quickly, the whole thing seems to be generally picking up steam. At this point i'm confident people will snap up the remaining chips.

Barntech
330  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 03:50:02 AM

 Shocked  WOW  Shocked  Communication....what a concept  Cheesy  Sounds great Barntech & thanks for taking the time to respond  Cheesy

I'll be watching,october is far away,sooo many things coming & I'm hoping I don't make a bad decision a 3rd time.

This looks like the best "bang for the buck" though ATM,but things can change soo fast in ASICland.

BFL order delayed for a over year(30GH),but got it  Cool  Avalon delayed............. Who knows when I'll get that 30GH................ Roll Eyes

Best of Luck & hope Bitfury comes thru !!   Wink

Yes, trust m,e i understand the frustration of bad communication in this crazy world. I'll always be here to answer your questions.  Grin

And yes i hope Bitfury delivers. It all feels pretty solid, but you never know. Gonna make sure we're all ready to go when they do though.
331  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 03:46:12 AM
If we ordered one board early on and added more as this group buy develops, can all of the boards be shipped together at the original position in the order queue? Or, do you think all orders will ship fairly quickly, say within a week, regardless of when of the order was placed? Thanks.

He has told me that he anticipates orders being shipped all within a week or after chips are received and boards being built. Shipping should be bundled, but you may or may not receive preferential treatment for having an early order and a late order. I will let him provide clarification on that.

Yes, basically, its a balance of fairness and efficiency. If you order one now and one later, it would be silly to send them in two separate packages, so they will be packaged together. I guess the main thing is for everyone to be reasonable about this with their ordering. I don't want a situation where people are taking advantage by placing a small early order then hoping to add lots to it later on and maintain an early spot in the queue. I guess if this happens, ie 1 now, 20 later, then the 1 will probably be bundled with the 20 rather than the other way around, or perhaps i will offer the option of separate packages in the interest of maintaining the queue. If you place multiple orders, i will contact you and we can work out together how they will be bundled

But really all this won't make too much difference to anything. The situation i am anticipating is that we will get all the boards back, sit around for a few solid days packaging them all up and send them out. Biggest delay between first and last package going out will be one maybe two weeks at the most (at a guess).
332  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 03:30:55 AM
If we ordered one board early on and added more as this group buy develops, can all of the boards be shipped together at the original position in the order queue? Or, do you think all orders will ship fairly quickly, say within a week, regardless of when of the order was placed? Thanks.

I think all the boards will ship fairly quickly. We will be doing all of them together in one manufacture run, so they will all be ready at once. From there its just postage. We will post them in the order that the orders were placed. If you only ordered a few boards then they will all ship together. In the interest of fairness though, if you say ordered one board at the beginning and 30 at the end, we will have to stay true to the queue and send the 30 in their appropriate position. Basically, it will be done in the most fair and efficient way we can manage.  Smiley
333  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 17, 2013, 03:25:38 AM
Can you ship to the US  Huh Approximate cost  Huh

On your website there is no mention of "available units",how do we know you aren't "sold out" & we'll be put in a later que  Huh

Your design,price & release date look very good to me,but..........my questions need an answer before commiting  Wink  I'll have more questions later,I'm sure  Cheesy

I'll be watching VERY closely  Cool

Thanks Barntech !!!!!!!!!!



Hey Unnaceptable

Yes we ship worldwide. Approx quote for shipping is $50 - $100. I'll get proper details up soon.

And yes, the available chip count is in big red letters on the first page of this thread.

Cheers

Thanks Barntech !!! Is that shipping per board or possibly a set amount of boards in one box to the US?? Just seeing if shipping costs can be minimized  Wink

Duh,I looked right at it & didn't see that count  Roll Eyes   Was just looking at your website & didn't see the count info  Cheesy

So,we need to order chips & then boards?? It looked like fully assembled boards with chips were available on the order page........now I'm soooooo confused  Cheesy

BTW,will these devices use BFGminer/CGminer or some other miner software.I'm a nosey fokker  Cheesy

We will do all that we can to keep the shipping costs down. The prices will be charged in weight ranges, so i'm guessing 1-4 ish boards would probably cost the same shipping, then a higher price for 5-10 etc (total random numbers btw, just to give you an idea). I will get onto all those details soon.

In terms of ordering, basically, if you are wanting us to assemble a board for you, then you will need to either order a fully assembled board now, or order chips now and assembly down the track. That option is there to allow people to get their order in for chips, then get their money together for assembly. However if you have the money now, and know what you want, it will be easier and simpler to just order fully assembled boards to start with.

We are configuring the miners to run with cgminer.

I think that's all your questions covered. Smiley Let me know if there's anything else you'd like to know.

Cheers
334  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
Can you ship to the US  Huh Approximate cost  Huh

On your website there is no mention of "available units",how do we know you aren't "sold out" & we'll be put in a later que  Huh

Your design,price & release date look very good to me,but..........my questions need an answer before commiting  Wink  I'll have more questions later,I'm sure  Cheesy

I'll be watching VERY closely  Cool

Thanks Barntech !!!!!!!!!!



Hey Unnaceptable

Yes we ship worldwide. Approx quote for shipping is $50 - $100. I'll get proper details up soon.

And yes, the available chip count is in big red letters on the first page of this thread.

Cheers
335  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 08:16:38 AM
thanks for the quick reply Barntech Smiley

I do hope Bitfury pull through with chips on time. (I'm 80 percent certain they will).  BTW, as I live in the UK, any idea on shipping costs etc? I know its a bit premature, but just trying to add up monies.

Thanks

Yes i hope so too. I have faith that we will get the chips in october, but you never know in this crazy world.

Regarding postage, i have been saying $50 - $100 so far as a rough estimate. I will get a comprehensive table up on the page in the next week.

Cheers
336  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 08:13:30 AM
Have you figure out it yet? Smiley

And I wanna ask, for the 8 chip board, what power supply and cooling do we need for it? And how does this connect? Compare to the USB thumb drive

Hey Milkbottle

The board will run on a normal ATX power supply with a regular 4 pin molex (the kind you find inside your computer). The USB thumb will be bus powered requiring no extra input. There will also be the option of the backplane (and now mini back plane that we are looking at too) which will be able to feed power to the rest of your boards so you don't need a million connections.

Cheers.

Barntech
337  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 05:18:45 AM
Was considering investing into a one of those USB Drillbit systems.. Went to use your website.. NOPE.

You guys need a hand with web design..? Your site just costed you a sale.. And my guess would be more then just i was turned off by the 20 second to build site. :/

I love the idea of the product.. Just highly doubting legitimacy.

Haha.

Yeah fair enough. Its certainly not the most exciting and awesome website ever built. In fact "website" is probably a generous term for what is basically just a bunch of paypal buttons. The honest story here is that this project has all been coming together quite quickly, and i have had to be juggling all this with my real life job, and not really having much time to do such things as build a pretty website. I am however finishing up the project i am working on and will be coming into much more free time soon. I'll make sure to get that website nice and pretty for you MRKLYE. If you're doubting our legitimacy, please check out the John K verification and various other comments from people on the thread. You are welcome to give me a call too if you like and / or come visit us in Sydney.

And if that offer for a hand with webdesign is real, sure, would love it.  Tongue

Cheers.

Barntech
338  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 05:01:55 AM
do we have to run the drillbtit overclocked or can they run at stock speed to save heat/electric cost?



No, you will have the option of overclocking the chip or not, so you can choose how hard you run it.
339  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 16, 2013, 04:59:08 AM
Any rough specs on the the larger 8 chip boards?  I think I like to have a couple in my mining "cupboard"

Thanks Smiley

Will have pics and specs of the board up in the next couple days.  Smiley
340  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] - GROUP BUY of BITFURY Chips + DRILLBIT SYSTEM mining assembly on: August 15, 2013, 01:10:52 AM
Going to preorder one soon, as long as he could clear up how the preorder of the chips goes? Smiley

So...99 usd is only for one chip USB while 300 is for 8 chip assembled board?

Yes those are the prices. You have the option to pay for the chips now and the assembly later, or pay for both now. You can pay via BTC to the address on the page and fill in the email form so i can track your payment, or you can pay via paypal at http://drillbitsystem.com

Cheers.

considering buying a few 8 chip miners is the tentative date these will start shipping october?

Yes. Late October, early November is our anticipated delivery time.
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