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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: - AURORACOIN -
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on: October 11, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
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So the foundation: - Ditched the Auroracoin brand
- Sold the vast majority its Auroracoins
- Repurposed the proceeds to fund things not directly related to the coin
Let's face it. You guys abandoned the project. To be clear we have not abandoned the project. If anyone has abandoned the project it would be the Icelanders that claimed their coins in 2014 and either sold the coins or have simply waited for other people to get involved without personally getting involved or contributing in any significant manner. 1. The Auroracoin brand has clearly not been ditched. Whatever that means. 2. Yes, 80% of the Auroracoin holdings were sold to fund the Icelandic Blockchain Foundation, of which Auroracoin is a significant interest. Aside from the CEO salary, none of the proceeds (ever) went to individuals or team members. 3. Yes, as explained the funds were repurposed but it is not accurate to say these uses are not directly related to the coin. This decision to found the Icelandic Blockchain Foundation, maintaining Auroracoin as a primary working group within the Foundation , has done wonders for the legitimacy and objectivity within and without the foundation. Especially in developer and legislative circles. While your comments are well-founded and welcome they do not represent the reality of the situation. If you would like to participate we would welcome your contributions. Michael Hannes 1: The CEO doesn't need to be paid, at least not with funds obtained by literally selling Auroracoin. If he believes in crypto and especially in Auroracoin he could have bought it himself from his own money. We all know this is bullshit. 2: The reality is, is that Auroracoin is going to be delisted from Bittrex. So you are NOT expanding but shrinking. 3: Show us where the money went from the 80% that has been sold. Show the receipts, bank statements or some kind of evidence where the money went. These are all very very easy answers you are giving. Zero evidence that the money is being used to create positive growth for AUR. Furthermore, you are talking about meetups with a 100 people. Do you have any proof of that? Do you have photos or smth that proofs that there weren't 10 people at the Oct 11th meetup? In short, the replies you gave us are filled with hopefull statements but that's it...just statements. I see no proof that what you wrote is actually true on the contrary the fact that AUR is going to be delisted from Bittrex is counterproof of your positive statements. Normally I would accept proof like "project progression", but there isn't any progression with AUR so you have to provide something else. Regards 1. Stating that the full-time CEO of a national blockchain advocacy group does not need to be paid implies that you are basing your opinions on some subjective utopian reality where people's time and effort does not require compensation. Not sure what you mean about him being able to buy his own coins as that is not related to salary. 2. Yes Bittrex is delisting AUR and that is unfortunate, however it does not change our efforts in regards to auroracoin. 3. Why do you feel that you are owed these receipts and evidence of how the coins were used ? This sounds like you have a warped sense of entitlement. What have you done to warrant such inclusion within the project and foundations decisions? What have you contributed if I may ask ? How have you asked to be involved ? Doing a simple google search for "Icelandic Blockchain Foundation" will give you an idea of how the funds have been started to put into use. It has been clearly stated that the decision was made to form the IBF to bolster the blockchain community in general in Iceland and that the IBF would have more ability as a neutral organization to make that happen. This has attracted many more individuals to the community in general and in turn has given auroracoin exposure as well. This was all done under strict by-laws and voting protocol conducted in an official meeting earlier this year. That's just the way it is. Everyone has their own opinions about how things could go or should go - but it is a fact of nature that things do not always go the way that you wished it would. So you can FUD and complain all you want but it does not contribute to a constructive conversation. michael hannes 1: How much does the CEO get paid per month? 2: You could have avoided that. Why don't they delist Bitcoin Cash? Because the effort put in the coin by Roger Ver alone is much more than what you guys all together have achieved so far. Besides the fact that Bitcoin Cash is in demand, the biggest holders hold onto their coins instead of selling them in the market. In fact, we all know Roger Ver bought more BCH to grow his holding. I am just using this as an example. 3: As an investor in AUR I think it is a minimum to come up with images, facts and proof instead of storytelling. So far all we could see is that a huge exchange is delisting AUR, some websites that even I can make and some nice story. Yes, I'm aware is wasn't Oct. 11th yet so this is/was a good opportunity for you guys to collect proof. 4: You talk about bolster the blockchain community, sorry to say but the price clearly doesn't show that. Selling the coins because it was conducted in an official meeting is just an excuse. I'm not the only one that is dissapointed about the decission of IBF but many more who have put their faith, money and trust in AUR. This is not about FUD, but about facts. Regards |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: - AURORACOIN -
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on: October 09, 2018, 07:16:29 PM
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So the foundation: - Ditched the Auroracoin brand
- Sold the vast majority its Auroracoins
- Repurposed the proceeds to fund things not directly related to the coin
Let's face it. You guys abandoned the project. To be clear we have not abandoned the project. If anyone has abandoned the project it would be the Icelanders that claimed their coins in 2014 and either sold the coins or have simply waited for other people to get involved without personally getting involved or contributing in any significant manner. 1. The Auroracoin brand has clearly not been ditched. Whatever that means. 2. Yes, 80% of the Auroracoin holdings were sold to fund the Icelandic Blockchain Foundation, of which Auroracoin is a significant interest. Aside from the CEO salary, none of the proceeds (ever) went to individuals or team members. 3. Yes, as explained the funds were repurposed but it is not accurate to say these uses are not directly related to the coin. This decision to found the Icelandic Blockchain Foundation, maintaining Auroracoin as a primary working group within the Foundation , has done wonders for the legitimacy and objectivity within and without the foundation. Especially in developer and legislative circles. While your comments are well-founded and welcome they do not represent the reality of the situation. If you would like to participate we would welcome your contributions. Michael Hannes 1: The CEO doesn't need to be paid, at least not with funds obtained by literally selling Auroracoin. If he believes in crypto and especially in Auroracoin he could have bought it himself from his own money. We all know this is bullshit. 2: The reality is, is that Auroracoin is going to be delisted from Bittrex. So you are NOT expanding but shrinking. 3: Show us where the money went from the 80% that has been sold. Show the receipts, bank statements or some kind of evidence where the money went. These are all very very easy answers you are giving. Zero evidence that the money is being used to create positive growth for AUR. Furthermore, you are talking about meetups with a 100 people. Do you have any proof of that? Do you have photos or smth that proofs that there weren't 10 people at the Oct 11th meetup? In short, the replies you gave us are filled with hopefull statements but that's it...just statements. I see no proof that what you wrote is actually true on the contrary the fact that AUR is going to be delisted from Bittrex is counterproof of your positive statements. Normally I would accept proof like "project progression", but there isn't any progression with AUR so you have to provide something else. Regards |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: May 31, 2018, 10:01:14 PM
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Wow Really surprised that this hasn't gone down to less than 0.01c already Just read their AMA on reddit from when they started (shockingly bad how stupid and paranoid they are) elavrov especially https[Suspicious link removed]cs_sunday_august_27_1pm_est/ Class action lawsuit from SEC https://www.bna.com/exmiss-iowas-70m-n73014474914/Lying about being partnered with iota apart from show themselves to be stupid, greedy and liers, can someone tell me honestly what they have done? After 9+ months then only thing Paragon has done it purchase a property. Consider yourself lucky if your only down 75% They raised 100 million and haven't been on social media since the ICO ended 9 months ago. The only thing they have done is openly spend your money on an expensive property. Long term hold right Mom I am investor! It's a long term hold! Revolution takes time! I see the Bangladesh shill team is still working hard on Paragon Reddit. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: April 15, 2018, 09:59:35 PM
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Hey it's me again, although probably none of you know who me is. Anyway just came back to check up with my favorite useless token of all time...PARAGON <3. I was watching DataDash yesterday and he briefly mentioned Paragon in the sentence of scam/useless tokens and google's ban on advertising, that's why I got reminded to check up. So how has it been going so far? Have they already explained what value the token has next to buying snacks and drinks? And how about the implementation of blockchain vs a good old server? Oh and the IOTA partnership? Oh or the terrible Reddit AMA? Mom, I am investor! How are all those exchanges doing? And that massive trading volume? When Bittrex? Although Bittrex does list meme tokens, so I wouldn't even be suprised. I went through their Fb, Twitter and Reddit. It's extremely active, weird that this forum is not active at all, but I guess we ask to many questions. Rather market to Fb audience. Has anyone here already asked how it is they have >200K likes on Fb, which is probably 10x more than any other ICO projects (guess how many likes ETH has)? Oh yeah that brings me to the ICO. So I see the attitude has somewhat changed over here. People are now calling this a long term investment. Do you have ANY idea what the point of a pre-sale/ICO is? Honest question. I'll answer it for you: The point is to obtain a (first) round of investments, setting up a base/prototype, communicating everything to these kind people that gave you their money and make damn sure to create a positive return for your stakeholders. How is Paragon doing on that? Even the pre-sale "investors" got dumped on because they did a firesale on the last day of the ICO for an extreme discount  !, "YEAH BUT IT'S A LONG TERM HOLD!". Really? Is it? Because you know what the problem is: it was clear (especially after the ICO) that the ICO was simply being used to buy real estate since they "couldn't rent it". How fast do you think that project would set up? Would it make sense to buy tokens with extremely questionable worth, with a large inflation during ICO and with zero value for a long period after the ICO? Instead of just buying after the ICO? Have they already made public who all the members of the team are? Or the developers? How is The Game doing? Have they already made clear what his "advisory" roll is going to be? Btw I went through their Reddit yesterday, this is just my opinion but goddamn it looks like a bunch of fake accounts are just making post after post. It strikes me that THEY are very active on twitter, Facebook, insta etc. Yet they get barely any replies. How then is Reddit so extremely active? You tell me? Might be wise to check their Fb likes, you investor you. Anyone here that isn't part of Paragon's Bangladesh shilling team (cmon do a fb like checker) that has anything useful to say why this token is not utterly pointless and why this project belongs in the gutter? How is that lawsuit doing btw? And last but bot least: A female model with zero background in tech that is now the CEO of a 100M dollar block chain implementing weed company with a questionable husband, a rapper adviser and unknown developers. WELL...if it isn't the dreamteam. You've put a lot of effort to describe the whole project. Paragon in a nutshell - scam. One of the many out there. All these fake and useless coins will vanish. Beware. A payed youtube shill mentioned a scam coin for what it is. I guess they didn't pay him enough unlike subscrotum. This is the first time I've read a well cooked effort of black propaganda to jeopardize a project.  Thanks anon  I tried my best. I also read through their entire AMA again, wasn't pretty. I think I was drinking, which explains my cynical tone. Anyway, in case you're not bait: try and refute one of my points made above (or mentioned in my other posts months ago) with a sound argument. Protip: you can't (well unless they radically changed smth but you tell me). |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: March 16, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
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Hey it's me again, although probably none of you know who me is. Anyway just came back to check up with my favorite useless token of all time...PARAGON <3. I was watching DataDash yesterday and he briefly mentioned Paragon in the sentence of scam/useless tokens and google's ban on advertising, that's why I got reminded to check up. So how has it been going so far? Have they already explained what value the token has next to buying snacks and drinks? And how about the implementation of blockchain vs a good old server? Oh and the IOTA partnership? Oh or the terrible Reddit AMA? Mom, I am investor! How are all those exchanges doing? And that massive trading volume? When Bittrex? Although Bittrex does list meme tokens, so I wouldn't even be suprised. I went through their Fb, Twitter and Reddit. It's extremely active, weird that this forum is not active at all, but I guess we ask to many questions. Rather market to Fb audience. Has anyone here already asked how it is they have >200K likes on Fb, which is probably 10x more than any other ICO projects (guess how many likes ETH has)? Oh yeah that brings me to the ICO. So I see the attitude has somewhat changed over here. People are now calling this a long term investment. Do you have ANY idea what the point of a pre-sale/ICO is? Honest question. I'll answer it for you: The point is to obtain a (first) round of investments, setting up a base/prototype, communicating everything to these kind people that gave you their money and make damn sure to create a positive return for your stakeholders. How is Paragon doing on that? Even the pre-sale "investors" got dumped on because they did a firesale on the last day of the ICO for an extreme discount !, "YEAH BUT IT'S A LONG TERM HOLD!". Really? Is it? Because you know what the problem is: it was clear (especially after the ICO) that the ICO was simply being used to buy real estate since they "couldn't rent it". How fast do you think that project would set up? Would it make sense to buy tokens with extremely questionable worth, with a large inflation during ICO and with zero value for a long period after the ICO? Instead of just buying after the ICO? Have they already made public who all the members of the team are? Or the developers? How is The Game doing? Have they already made clear what his "advisory" roll is going to be? Btw I went through their Reddit yesterday, this is just my opinion but goddamn it looks like a bunch of fake accounts are just making post after post. It strikes me that THEY are very active on twitter, Facebook, insta etc. Yet they get barely any replies. How then is Reddit so extremely active? You tell me? Might be wise to check their Fb likes, you investor you. Anyone here that isn't part of Paragon's Bangladesh shilling team (cmon do a fb like checker) that has anything useful to say why this token is not utterly pointless and why this project belongs in the gutter? How is that lawsuit doing btw? And last but bot least: A female model with zero background in tech that is now the CEO of a 100M dollar block chain implementing weed company with a questionable husband, a rapper adviser and unknown developers. WELL...if it isn't the dreamteam. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: December 09, 2017, 02:46:03 AM
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Do you think the PRG will grow in 2018?  Yes, there is still wiggle room for some negative growth before the website goes offline. Not even joking anymore. I sincerely do not understand how you people could have bought this without even checking e.g. Reddit for 1 sec. Well, no I can understand because it sounded ok and they ?marketed heavily?, until you searched a bit more. But what I don't understand is people still supporting it. Then I make a bitcointalk account, sum up 9 of the dozens of red flags this project has/had (not even mentioning their severe lack of communication), to be subsequently bashed by some SJW that doesn't understand that buying likes is not the same thing as normal marketing because what is integrity anyway. But I guess that doesn't matter because what does matter is exposing me as the terrible sexist/?racist? I am when I call out that the CEO is a female model with no background in tech (although she has a medical weed background but a very odd switch when viewing her past), with a retarded (attention whore) Instagram account ("I am CEO, look at me!") and an odd graphic appearance on things such as YouTube. Reality check: the past, current and future behavior/achievements/recordings of the CEO of a supposedly multi-million dollar company is extremely important to the outside world i.e. investors. Also, "How do you know they bought likes? You're just trolling." - Yes, and to the person who said that to me one page ago: you are clearly using Bing instead of Google cause goddamn dude...you didn't find it at all odd their FB is/was dead yet they managed to score over 250K likes? I think that is literally by far the most an ICO has ever got. You might wanna check out Reddit for a change. It will open up a whole world of FB like checkers you can instantly find using Google maybe even with Bing. I say good day to you sir. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: December 01, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
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Okay, I just made an account on Bitcointalk because I truly want to know something here:
What in the world made you guys invest in a project that had so many red flags on it that Reddit and Biz were literally filing in Fraud reports to the US government regarding Paragon?
This was the most obvious scam I have ever seen in my two years in crypto now (well that and BitPetite).
1 - They were actively moderating Reddit, massively downvoting any critique on Para.
2 - There ICO system was "let's massively increase the price DURING the ICO so that on market entrance there will be a massive dump"
3 - They bought 200K Facebook likes from Bangladesh
4 - Their CEO is a female model (I mean cmon...cmon...do I really have to say it) that stars in a Russian soft porn music video while potentially being high
5 - They magically were funded, what was it like 80M in the pre-ICO? Right...No one took a second to sit down and think where that money came from and whether it was actually real?
6 - People in their Telegram asking questions were banned. I personally joined, asked them: "I just found out you guys bought FB likes from Bangladesh. Why did you do that?" Minute later I was banned.
7 - They lied about being affiliated with IOTA
8 - 100
This list goes on and on and was all known during the ICO and there were a ton of Reddit posts discussing how scammy the project was and the many many red flags, and yet a ton of people bought in, and still people here in this thread "believe" in the project.
I am missing something here? I mean am I wrong?
Based on my experience: 1) when someone are constantly calling you a liar, you start to react less restrained ... 2) the way of promotion of the project can be different, you can buy FB likes, and you can advertise on TV, in both cases you pay money, in both cases have an impact on the human consciousness ... but am I not right if I say that the success of the project largely depends on the popularity of the project? 3) ICO is risky, I liked the idea of the PARAGON project ... I was ready to lose my money, although I hope for the best... 4) I do not know is PRG scam or not, but I'm sure that if they really create an infrastructure, PRG will be polpular, and the project will be successful... I appreciate your reply but this is a very "easy way out" and I don't want to sound rude but I have the feeling this is your first ICO or something. Correct me if I am wrong. First of all, I fully agree with constantly calling someone a liar is not the best course of action if you want to proof that person is a liar, however in this case there was a ton of evidence. If a project is called a scam (like what happens all the time) and there is nothing to back this up then obviously someone is fudding. In Paragon's case however, everything that was said had backing behind it, visual proof. Secondly, buying and using marketing material is something entirely else than buying FB likes. In the first case you are simply marketing in the second case you are committing fraud, not in a legal sense but more in an ethical sense. This is not a good thing for the team's credibility which was discussed everywhere. Thirdly, yes ICOs are risky. Lost a ton of money already, but again this is completely off topic. Calling ICOs risky in general has nothing to do with all the red flags mentioned above. Fourthly, see this is what I completely do not understand. You've probably read all the threads/articles discussing Paragon and firmly stating "STAY AWAY FROM THIS ONE". The price completely collapsed (as was expected), they completely fucked over their ICO investors and yet you keep believing in this project. Now that I think about it I actually don't really know what to make of your comment. To me (and the general community) it is crystal clear that this is a BS project that fucks people over and yet you support it. I sincerely do not understand. Excuse me if a come over a bit too harsh but it just frustrates me. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | PARAGON | Revolutionizing the Cannabis Industry |
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on: December 01, 2017, 01:26:06 AM
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Okay, I just made an account on Bitcointalk because I truly want to know something here:
What in the world made you guys invest in a project that had so many red flags on it that Reddit and Biz were literally filing in Fraud reports to the US government regarding Paragon?
This was the most obvious scam I have ever seen in my two years in crypto now (well that and BitPetite).
1 - They were actively moderating Reddit, massively downvoting any critique on Para.
2 - There ICO system was "let's massively increase the price DURING the ICO so that on market entrance there will be a massive dump"
3 - They bought 200K Facebook likes from Bangladesh
4 - Their CEO is a female model (I mean cmon...cmon...do I really have to say it) that stars in a Russian soft porn music video while potentially being high
5 - They magically were funded, what was it like 80M in the pre-ICO? Right...No one took a second to sit down and think where that money came from and whether it was actually real?
6 - People in their Telegram asking questions were banned. I personally joined, asked them: "I just found out you guys bought FB likes from Bangladesh. Why did you do that?" Minute later I was banned.
7 - They lied about being affiliated with IOTA
8 - 100
This list goes on and on and was all known during the ICO and there were a ton of Reddit posts discussing how scammy the project was and the many many red flags, and yet a ton of people bought in, and still people here in this thread "believe" in the project.
I am missing something here? I mean am I wrong?
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