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So the biggest question for me now is: What Eligius considers as a spam?
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Well since you don't respond to my PM's I decided to post it here maybe you will notice it. "Hello eleuthria, I am going to make it very straight forward and short. The question is: Can you implement this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=952340.msg10437343#msg10437343.I would pay you 1BTC for that and I will pay you extra 0.005BTC0.01 per each 1KB.Please note that transactions that I push will only be valid,standard, and non-double-spend they will be just simple transactions that includes 0 fee and has unconfirmed inputs(which will have to confirmed in one single block).Thank you in advance." |
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Eligius was the first implementation of this, but (aside from it being disabled temporarily) it's for humans, and automated systems should just use the usual bitcoin protocol to relay transactions.
With CPFP, you can just use a normal spend to add a fee to some tx..
I am not sure did I discussed it with you or with wizkid but what about f2pool referral system if they do something bad on their ref their key gets revoked.Also I made 3 tx's https://blockchain.info/tx-index/77712737 This tx should confirm on it's own though it paid 0 fee but the coins are old enough. Confirmedhttps://blockchain.info/tx-index/77714274 This tx doesn't have any coins age and pays 0 fee so no miner really wants to include it in their block. Confirmedhttps://blockchain.info/tx-index/77712774 This tx pays 0.001 fee that is more than enough for this tx and the previous. Lets see if CPFP occurs on Eligius. ConfirmedWas it did automatically or you did it manually?Ok the second tx was not that low in priority it was less than 300 Bytes and it wasn't spam(almost 1BTC in single input/output).What if the second tx were 16-18 KB having 100 outputs and then I spend one of those outputs(3rd tx) and set that all input as a fee and have a 0BTC output or lets just say that I send 0.0001(not spam) and have 0.0099 as a fee.Would that have done the same effect?If Eligius doesn't hold any low priority tx's in their mempool than they won't hold the second tx in the mempool thus meaning 3rd tx is invalid?Is that so?How can I come around it? |
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If your transactions aren't being relayed normally, then there likely is a reason they shouldn't be in the blockchain anyway.
The transactions are normal and they are relayed normally(except for the RelayNetwork as the second tx spends and input which is unconfirmed).It's just that one tx pays 0fee and the spending tx pays 0.001 both tx's are less than 500 bytes and both sends about 0.8-0.9BTC.And for some reason no miners picks these transactions even yours. Pushtxn is not a priority.
What else is in the queue? I am ready to pay to make the process quicker. |
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The undocumented/unsupported pushtxn page that was active for a while at Eligius has been disabled due to some spam transactions getting through automatic filtering.
Once new filtering is in place that more strictly enforces Eligius's transaction spam rules, I will likely re-enable it.
Mhm.Not offending or anything but how hard is it?Just disable transactions that has output value(in total or each vout differently) of less than x or disable tx that doesn't pay x fee or disable tx's that has lover priority than x.Problem solved?Or the situation is way more complicated than I understood it? Disable=don't relay=don't mine |
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Okay, I will try to come up with another way.
Have you tried it, did it worked?Also what is the other way? |
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PMed you about that, can you please check your messages?
I have replied here is my wallet's address 12ZMT7Qn2rysM3XKxkSBrVfzdXXufoS13t so send 0.15BTC there. |
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Also I think I have tried it like half a year ago to push those transactions(one paid 0fee the other one 1mBTC) since Eligius doesn't hold any low priority tx's in their mempool the owner(luke) said that first transaction has to get in to the mempool itself in order for the child pay for parent to occur.
Then you at least can double spend the unconfirmed tx and get your BTC back. Yes since Eligius doesn't hold any low priority tx's it is very easy to push a high priority tx and get it confirmed. |
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Okay, I will try to come up with another way.
Good luck. It was already down like 3-4 months ago if you dig through my posts you would see that I asked wizkid to open it up again a while ago and he said that he doesn't have a work schedule so it might take months as there is no priority to do it.Also just try these Eligius nodes they are up and running(at least one of them): "68.168.105.168" "192.3.11.20" Also I think I have tried it like half a year ago to push those transactions(one paid 0fee the other one 1mBTC) since Eligius doesn't hold any low priority tx's in their mempool the owner(luke) said that first transaction has to get in to the mempool itself in order for the child pay for parent to occur. I see the problem, fee = 0! You could try making a transaction spending this very output and assign a large fee to it. Some pools (if intelligent) should include both to claim the large fees.
That is not the problem I have stated that the transaction will 0 fee in the OP. |
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Hi :-)
Well can you give me some arbitrary strange transaction and I will check if I can make a pool include it with that script?
So we can check.
OK 5 minutes will edit this post. 34 tx's for now include all of them in the second block and we will talk in private next stage will be way harder than this(I could have done this stage myself.(I hope raw is ok) 1. 0100000001b3988ca5918eb1c61d43df5c55bc29969374cba768de69c96547f6fde73b1b71000000008b483045022100cab4c486b37549e196fdf8e5ad510ebcd1390b7f2e7fd9773758611296e2f6aa0220703e86bf77c84e9f71eb21ed194cdb08a5246266b88ce7a80f636e03c6db196501410406fdd3a9369b918a093b69695597b525aa3025cb284e7d52f4e9609f2b1407d7e9c7dfb2de38e470c939b2725c0879315d13e9e6ceb725447c2d01095bc24dbcffffffff0180f9a805000000001976a914ddcd5a64bad4ce6bdf7d1a81ea4fed7b4d49848088ac00000000 2. 0100000001e31442d433eb130a7a50e12b7621893b3f96423b5c4133ac440f6d89155bb15e000000008b483045022100e9ec79f203ca2ad9dc1f28f7bbedc72fb0d2a4b6a653f147444689ef1f47ae6802206ab0e95c491487218e95128c3f063f20eaa95467532e0f226adea7159893bd2c01410406fdd3a9369b918a093b69695597b525aa3025cb284e7d52f4e9609f2b1407d7e9c7dfb2de38e470c939b2725c0879315d13e9e6ceb725447c2d01095bc24dbcffffffff0180f9a805000000001976a914ddcd5a64bad4ce6bdf7d1a81ea4fed7b4d49848088ac00000000 3. 0100000001794aefa5ae1d83d3e561512ff91d9181dc58aa96a67f03a22673d2732d92afdb000000008b483045022100c9d2375e6bcc150518114c9a6c6c893cc31bb066a96cbe539358a84839a5a23b0220182e2992dce2513d0ecf94aa4e336689e4cd6548f6e788e93f960596e4cc87b701410406fdd3a9369b918a093b69695597b525aa3025cb284e7d52f4e9609f2b1407d7e9c7dfb2de38e470c939b2725c0879315d13e9e6ceb725447c2d01095bc24dbcffffffff0180f9a805000000001976a914ddcd5a64bad4ce6bdf7d1a81ea4fed7b4d49848088ac00000000 4. 0100000001b6115031659a8abec72a66a9bb7f8e51088f2aeadbb42bf85734af4c20bc58c4000000008b483045022100a8bd0724980ab7d07452fdf3bb816779c99406af2eb3efaa12972777ed7e15670220450328a9c8d55bf3ee089bd6cddb4797a6acb0fc7fe9195185b7f94cd7d7724f01410406fdd3a9369b918a093b69695597b525aa3025cb284e7d52f4e9609f2b1407d7e9c7dfb2de38e470c939b2725c0879315d13e9e6ceb725447c2d01095bc24dbcffffffff0180f9a805000000001976a914ddcd5a64bad4ce6bdf7d1a81ea4fed7b4d49848088ac00000000 |
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Will you give me the 1 BTC if I give you a python script that already does that?
What do you mean by "already does that"?Do you mean that a specific tx no matter what kind of tx(valid and non-double-spend off course) it is will be included in the block?In that case yes. Edit:Oh hi Evil-Knievel didn't noticed you username in the first place. I was following your interesting posts for a while now. |
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Pools are able to target transactions? This is news to me...
Miners either they are pools or solo they choose which transactions they want to include they can even include no transactions in their block if they want to. I'd say that it'd be a profitable venture though.
What do you mean? |
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If you are the owner of AntPool,Ghash.io,KnCMiner,BTCGuild,Slush or Eligius you are eligible for this.What I want is something similar to f2pool.com/pushtx if you design a webpage like this where I can push my transactions I would pay you 1BTC and I will pay extra 0.005BTC0.01BTC per each 1KB of raw I push there.Escrow is OK. If you are wondering what kind of transactions I will push then they will be just simple non-double-spend tx's with 0 fee and will usually spend an output which is unconfirmed. |
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Why are you spending your time asking questions on forum instead of setting up pool with child-pays-for-parent feature?
Maybe because there are already good trusted and reliable pools. And no one will switch to my pool that is untrusted new and has no hashing power just because it has one extra feature(which in fact doesn't benefit them except extra fees from tx's).An easier way out is to convince an operator of a already existing mining pool to implement it.Also even more easier way is to ask core devs to implement it so miners can then switch to it. Edit: Lets try a different approach https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=952340.msg10427553#msg10427553 |
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I wanted to make my own topic but since this not off-topic then: What miners have implemented child pays for parent(without f2pool and Eligius).Also lets say that I have this kind of tx:A sends to B 0.2BTC the coins are not old enough and pays 0 fee than we have a spending tx from B to C same 0.2 but this time it pays 0.001 fee and both transactions together are less than 1000Bytes. How to get them both confirmed since fee is x10 more but for some reason neither do Eligius neither f2pool confirm them. Why?
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Can you look at the message above it a serious problem I should have played 15 individual games not just one. |
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Well that was almost exactly what I expected. Thank you all(especially DannyHamilton)
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Hi is it possible to know the hash of the block before it is even minted? What I mean is lets say that I set up my miners on ghash pool using cgminer(or other software) would I be able to know the hash of the block at least the right side of the hash? Also (I am pretty sure it's impossible but maybe there is some kind of a secret) is it possible to predict when a block will be minted?
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