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181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: October 13, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
You may believe in such ideals, but in the real world, you
would not just hand me over your bitcoins just
because you have the opinion that ownership/property
is a false/flawed/bad/primitive/whatever concept.

**CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG AND GIVE ME YOUR COINS Smiley **

In a capitalist system, money is power. Handing over Bitcoins would be transferring power from one person to another. For the anti-capitalist, Bitcoin is not ideal. Freicoin would be better-suited for participating in an anarchistic community. I confess, I have not yet contributed hash-power to that alt-coin. I have also failed to set up a testnet server for darkwallet testing.

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Therefore, there is the context of ideals, and there is the
context of everyday life.  

2 totally different things....And if we are not speaking
from the same context, then it is
difficult to have a meaningful discussion.

I vaguely recall believing I "owned" my ideas. I don't know if that was nature or nurture. I have since realized that ideas do not happen in isolation. Independent co-invention is common when conditions are just right. There was I time when was about 5 that I thought I invented the word "okey-dokey." It turns out that when trying to come up with a non-sense word, I simply came up with one I had probably heard about once or twice before.

Patents scare me because independent co-invention is not a defense. Violence is clearly implied when people are prevented from using their own inventions for a period of up to 20 years. For example, GM was not able to use the battery technology developed for the EV1 in the Chevy volt. They sold the patents to an oil company that went on to restrict high-capacity NiMH batteries (over 3 Amp-hours (AA size)). It took me a while to figure out how Toyota was able to use NiMH batteries, and still offer a "plug-in" hybrid. The answer: the "plug-in" model uses the more expensive Lithium-ion battery chemistry.

I recently had my bike helmet stolen. It is a nice helmet, worth about $70 new. I realized that used helmets have no resale value. I hope somebody is making good use of it, rather than it sitting in the trash somewhere. I am a pack-rat, so I have a spare I can use until I can buy a replacement.


182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: October 13, 2014, 03:12:47 AM

Take a step back from abstractions for a minute, and try to answer from
a down to earth point of view.... where/when do you think free trade
breaks down into violence?  Surely you can't argue that 2 people peacefully
trading an orange for an apple is violent.  So under what condition
do you think it begins?  (Please try to answer in simple terms without
saying the word "capitalism"  Smiley  )


I have not been following this thread much, and don't have time to explain how Bitcoin has refined my views of the world. However, I still think anarcho-capitalists are delusional. Capitalism always involves violence. Before Bitcoin, I thought this was simply because the "price system" relies on government intervention. However, it goes deeper than that. Note: No "C" word below this line.

Property rights revolve around the concept of scarcity. One of the left-wing anarchists on this board pointed me to "Sex at Dawn". That book explains that in hunter-gatherer societies, there is no scarcity. The commons provide all that is need. If supplies need to time to replenish, they can simply move to the next area. With no property to defend, wars are avoided simply by walking away.

Scarcity is now being applied to ideas as well. It was devastating to read right-wing accounts (no link, sorry) of how homesteading is a fair way to decide who owns property; immediately after reading Melancholy Elephants. In that short-story, the set of possible copyrighted works has been homesteaded. The crisis the story revolves around is that legislators are considering perpetual copyright terms.
183  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blocks are still taking way too long. on: October 11, 2014, 02:55:22 PM
With bitcoin not even having its first confirmation within 30 minutes, do you think the guy will let me walk away even if i show him the transaction screen on my phone?

In a word, yes.

Longer answer: I would expect the merchant to wait for the 0 confirmation transaction to show up on their screen, hopefully with an independent network connection.

Notably for food establishments, "dine and dash" is a problem regardless of the payment method.

I hope bitcoin core dev could eliminate the risk of accepting zero confirmation( or greatly reduce ) which would solve most problem

There is not much the software can do to reduce the risk of zero confirmation transactions (other than wait as dabs mentioned). The point of contention is how long it takes to get similar risk mitigation with competing technologies.
184  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blocks are still taking way too long. on: October 11, 2014, 02:28:24 PM

Which part is wrong? When i make purchases at the retail stores, once i get confirmation which is probably less than 2 minutes, i can just walk away with the goods. Doesn't matter what the posting date is. If there is a reverse tx, the name is clearly printed.


Where you say "confirmation which is probably less than 2 minutes" with respect to credit cards. The "credit available" check is essentially equivalent to a 0 confirmation transaction. In the case of fraud, your name does not help the retailer. It is not like they check ID for most transactions.
185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When quoting small amounts of bitcoin, how do you call 100 satoshis? on: October 11, 2014, 01:46:36 PM

after all no one says microtonnes of gold or millitones of gold.

1 µt = 1gram.
1 mt= 1kg

Tonne is weird: we call it a tonne instead of a Mega-gram (Mg).

I think the SI base-unit for mass is the kg, further adding to the confusion.

/tangent
186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why 1BTC should equal 10^8 satoshi ? on: October 11, 2014, 01:32:42 PM

also note that values satoshi incide tx's are encoded Little Endian like this:
Code:
   40 4B 4C 00 00 00 00 00  - 0.05 BTC (5000000)
contrary to common practice that everything emitted to the network should encoded Big Endian


I suspect that that one is just laziness. Satoshi was probably using an x86 compatible machine.
187  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blocks are still taking way too long. on: October 11, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
Maybe i just rephrase it. Use ltc or doge if that buyer if willing to accept. The point i want to tell *very straight and simple* is that people would rather use alternative form of payment method which is faster. Even my credit card payment is faster. Nobody likes to wait unless you tell me bitcoin is the only payment mode accepted at the counter

As mentioned, Bitcoin is not ideal for in-person transactions: we have cash for that.

However, you are incorrect when you say your credit card is faster. The payment may be authorized within seconds: but all they are checking for is whether you have enough available credit to cover the purchase. Edit: (You can even exploit this to "double spend" more than your credit limit (there is a charge for doing that)) A careful reading of your credit-card bill should reveal that the "Posting date" is sometimes several days later than the "Transaction date". Unlike Bitcoin, such transactions can be reversed for up to 6 months in the case of fraud.

Bitcoin really competes with wire transfers: which can still take several days. Often the intermediate banks will take up to $50 in order to pass it on to the next bank in the chain. To get 6 confirmations within 2 hours is cheap and reliable in comparison.

188  Economy / Speculation / Re: For those who have no idea what to do on: October 05, 2014, 11:07:33 AM
I will make it simpler:
Just invest in MaidSafeCoins.
And hold your position in Bitcoins.
Thats it.

If bitcoins fails, all Cryptos are gonna fail.
MaidSafe is another story, a completely different animal.
Um, it is my understanding that MaidSafe is built on Mastercoin, which is in turn built on Bitcoin. It Bitcoin fails, so does MaidSafe.
Edit: Looked into it a little more:
Quote from: TechCrunch
In addition, MaidSafe has filed multiple patents — and will be looking at opportunities to license its technologies for use outside the Safe network. “We’ve got about ten granted patents, about 22 pending just now and more on the way. And some of these libraries and technologies that we’ve created can be used outside the network. So, for example, an existing Content Delivery Network… like Akamai they could use our routing and RUDP libraries to basically make their distributed servers run much more efficiently and much faster,” he says. “Anyone using our patents within the network is absolutely welcome to do so. The patents, just to point out, are purely defensive.”
- The Server Needs To Die To Save The Internet

Ugh, software patents. Not touching that one.
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why the price is keep going down? on: October 05, 2014, 10:37:37 AM
I can't find anything related to that , anyone knows anything?

There are six topics in the first General Discussion page with the word "price" in the title.

If you want more in-depth analysis, try the Speculation Sub-forum.
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: This is why the price of bitcoin is dropping on: October 05, 2014, 10:28:38 AM
But the localbitcoins dont have much different prices. The people prices are updated there much slower, but they follow the exchange prices with some delay

lol no...
simply, no..

large majority of people on localbitcoins are not selling at a loss. and for the couple people putting in stupidly low orders because they are sheep following an exchange. they deserve the losses they are making

Not everybody has a substantial mining set-up. If what you say about the prices on the exchanges being artificially low is true, then that presents an opportunity for the "minnows" to grab cheap coins.

I have even tried to start the paper work with FINTRAC so that I can register as a MSB here in Canada (the Canadian regulations do not appear to have the $1000/day exemption the US regulations do). If successful, I may buy low on the exchange, then sell slightly higher at locabitcoins. I have to be cautions, because, if I try it without informing my bank, they will probably close my account (when setting it up, I estimated 1-2 Bitcoin transactions per month, not 20-30).
191  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So what is a scammer exactly? on: October 05, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
I flagged two people as scammers for selling Class 4 hand-held laser pointers.

It is not that I thought they were scammers per se: I just wanted to trigger the "Caution: Trade with extreme caution" warning due to the careless way the product was being sold.

In the specific case of class 4 laser pointers, there is no safe way to use them. Lasers that can cause blindness due to reflection on matte surfaces should not be hand-held. A dedicated room with an interlock on the door to turn off the beam should be strongly considered.
192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Low Does Bitcoin's Price Need Get to Make People Stop Believing? on: October 05, 2014, 05:41:20 AM

Bitcoin is ready for mass adoption so it's now time to end the madness of non-stop mining dumps.


No, it is not. It has been estimated that the network can handle about 7 transactions per second. If it gets "mass adoption" before the network migrates to larger blocks, it will only have a niche essentially replacing wire transfers. The fees would be too high for buying coffee or porn.
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: some moron is basically giving bitcoins for free on: October 05, 2014, 05:35:08 AM
I'll laugh when all the bulltards and cultists start panic selling when we hit double digits.

Here's what the bulltards and cultists typically say:

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"When we hit $xxx, I'll buy a ton of coins!!! Promise!!!! I'm just waiting for more weak hands to get shaken out!!!"

I am planning on buying in 2-3 weeks no matter what the price is. Just have to get my ID straightened out (Cavirtex lets you withdrawal CAD unverified but not deposit). I missed selling at the ATH as well (Cold storage FTW!).

194  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Low Does Bitcoin's Price Need Get to Make People Stop Believing? on: October 04, 2014, 07:48:23 PM
I think I may be convinced Bitcoin is a market failure if the price drops below $32. That is not to say it would be a total failure. It is a very important computing science experiment.
195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does BTC cause so much controversy even with friends and family? on: October 04, 2014, 07:27:51 PM
Bitcoin's market cap is not 4.4 Trillion :X, it is 4.4 Billion which is alot less than the sum of the entire Video Game industry. Use this time before they understand to get well ahead of the plebeian minded fellow.

I just figured that out myself Tongue

I suppose I should go apologize to my brother now Smiley
196  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: VIDEO: Canadian Senate Commitees: Study on the use of digital currency on: October 04, 2014, 06:57:48 PM
Thanks for the context.

I disagree with the notion that Bitcoin should be regulated as a foreign currency. I tried registering with FINTRAC the other day. In that e-mail, I explained when I think Bitcoin can not meet the requirements imposed on traditional MSBs:
Quote from: James Phillips
I have been acting as a relay for Bitcointransactions for months.
The requirement to include detailed sender and receiver data with the transaction appears to be incompatible with Bitcoin.
Further, the concept of a Foreign Politically Exposed Person does not make a lot of sense with Bitcoin because the reporting requirements change if a border crossing is involved. Bitcoin has no concept of (in-planet) borders.

Edit Not sure why the head of CaVirtex thinks that Bitcoin has only a $13 billion market cap (at 38:25) when it is actually closer to $4.5 trillion according to Bitcoin Charts. I almost get the impression that he is trying to minimize the size of the industry to make it seem easier to regulate (he was also corrected on there being only 20 alts, so maybe his info is a year out of date). Edit2: the video is from April) PEBKAC: only 4.5 Billion market cap.

197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mechanical engine to create key-pairs/addresses on: October 04, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
My initial reaction is "no". Computers are not very good at generating random numbers. A mechanical computer would not do much better unless you find some way to capture entropy (without making the machine unreliable). Mechanical computers also have the disadvantage of working very slowly. Conversely, they have the advantage of being easier to inspect than traditional computer chips.
198  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: VIDEO: Canadian Senate Commitees: Study on the use of digital currency on: October 04, 2014, 05:10:45 PM
The Senator Belmar had a good question a 57:45 (I skipped some).

"I heard contradictory testimony. Is Bitcoin public or private (and thus subject to money laundering risk)?"
The response was that it was public. I am not entirely sure I am satisfied with that response.

The presenters seem to be arguing against further regulation. But not going as far as saying Money laundering laws should be repealed entirely.
199  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does BTC cause so much controversy even with friends and family? on: October 04, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
It takes effort to learn how revolutionary Bitcoin really is. My room-mate does not want to take the time to read the white-paper.

My brother thinks Bitcoin is "useless". After asking which is more important: Games or Bitcoins, he answered "games". I then revealed that Bitcoin market cap (4.4 Trillion billion at this writing) exceeds the entire revenues of the world entertainment industry (2.8 Trillion in 2009).

Both my banker and sister classify Bitcoin as an investment, akin to the stock market. They see the volatility, but not necessarily the fundamental potential of the technology.

I also have an acquaintance that informed me they (as in the people in charge of it) "canceled" Bitcoin (this was in June or so). I resisted the urge to tell them they failed to tell me to shut down my node Tongue It appears people can't comprehend that it is decentralized.
200  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ATMs printing paper wallets on: October 03, 2014, 06:44:32 AM
Perhaps the OP is concerned that people need a smart-phone to present the ATM with a QR code.

This is simply not true. You can generate your own QR code on your computer and print it.
Even better: the private key does not even have to be on the same continent. This reduces the opportunity for theft.
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