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321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin inflation now is 44% per year on: June 27, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
you mean bitcoin supply increases by 44% a year. It's only 44% inflation if bitcoin economy does not grow, but chances are, bitcoin economy is growing faster than 44%, so it's actually a deflation of a x%.

you mean the bitcoin economy, which is now maybe at 100 k$ a year, grows by 40% to 140k$ a year and therefore offsets monetary inflation in bitcoins valued at 53 million $ (margin price)?

IF this kind of monetary inflation is offset, it is by speculation. either by new money coming in, or by miners speculating on even higher selling prices.


IF.


The bitcoin economy includes the exchanges, you can't pretend that the exchanges are something "outside the economy". Money transfer is one of the services bitcoins provide, and that is facilitated in the exchanges. Considering that mt gox traded about $600,000 yesterday, I'd say that the bitcoin economy it is a little larger than $100K a year.
322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Challenge: Get a presidential candidate to accept bitcoin donations on: June 27, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
I think I would have better luck getting candidates to accept Pogs, Pokemon cards, and Magic Cards as campaign donations.

Hell, they'd be more likely to take World of Warcraft money, because that's a huge group of voters and doing so, if legal, wouldn't hurt anyone or be seen as very controversial. Also, they'd appear hip, young, with it, cool, groovy, hep, radical, and bodacious.

There are ways around contribution bookkeeping issues as well, such as donations to fundraisers thrown by 527 groups rather than directly to the candidate (I believe, but could be wrong, that 527s have no rules on who can contribute and have no upper limits). Your money doesn't go to the candidate, but it'll probably "buy" the same amount of money or more at the fundraiser or at least can offset money that the candidate might instead spend.

I predict that the 2020 race will have at least one pseudo-viable candidate accepting bitcoins. Mark it.
323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin inflation now is 44% per year on: June 27, 2011, 05:35:38 PM
Did you know that Bitcoin currently has 43.999281216541% inflation rate..

161 blocks per 24 hour x 365 days x 50 BTC per block / 6,677,950 BTC total mined

Yep, but it is temporary, inflation will decrease to about 15% around 2012, and then 5% around 2016. By 2020 it'll be less then most fiat currency, approching 0.  
324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, bitcoin client still use unencrypted wallet.dat on: June 27, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
All this discussion is pointless. The developers are working on it, it should be included in the next version. You can see their progress here:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/232
325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goxed Orders? on: June 27, 2011, 04:52:19 PM
There is a glitch that shows two blips at $15 and $18. Prices never actually reached these levels. It seems to be some type of error.
326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goxed - 15:30 open on: June 27, 2011, 06:21:43 AM
Yes, status was "active" and the BTC were already displayed in my account.

Very odd. Send of a bug report to info@mtgox.com.
327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 06:19:26 AM
The client is still young. The bitcoin system itself is very secure, robust and well designed. It is the client that is the problem. The client keeps a wallet in plaintext. And notice the version 0.33, it is still beta. Things will resolve themselves. Bitcoin is still very young, we are all early adopters here.
328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goxed - 15:30 open on: June 27, 2011, 06:15:26 AM
Gox really needs a fill-or-kill.
329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goxed - 15:30 open on: June 27, 2011, 06:13:19 AM
Strange...

I withdrew my BTC because I didn't trust it after being Goxed several times...
But when things turned out to run pretty "smooth" at MtGox I decided to try and send my BTC to MtGox.
When they were in, I put in a order to sell at 16.5 Dollar.

After that I went to sleep (I live in the Netherlands) and the BTC went over 17.5...
I looked at the graphics this morning and thought "well, I could have gotten more but at least I got 16.5 Smiley"

So I logged in to MtGox and... They weren't sold Huh
Now I sold them at 17.4 and you don't hear me complain.... But at least it's very weird...

That is weird. Was the order still open in your books? Did it say "active" or "in queue"?
330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 06:10:07 AM
ZOMG people!

You have real money on your computers now.

Stop using Windows.

That is all...

I know mocking windows is a fun past time for many, but lets look at a few facts we already know:
1. The machine is terribly out of date, without even SP1
2. I dont know of any os that is safe to use out of date
3. Windows is targetted more because its used more

And 3 is the kicker. Not being able to use windows with bitcoin is eliminating what, 80% of the world from bitcoin? Sounds like a great plan.

Besides, many of these types of attacks could probably have been prevented with an encrypted wallet, currently a HIGH priority of devs, and yet nobody dares blame them. And to those that say 'encrypting the wallet will make no difference' do you really think that the devs are thus adding it to pander to 'noobs', but that is secretly known as a waste of time?

They are working on encryption. It should be in the next version.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/232
331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 06:05:28 AM
I don't think they really care about any sum. It all gents blamed on the victim. Tough love?

It is hard because there is no way to prove the theft. The nature of bitcoin makes it impossible.
332  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:54:16 AM
Damn, this sucks, another one.

I too had Win 7 without SP1 on there.

I'm wondering, were you also running RDP or VNC services? VNC for example could've been cracked if you had an easy to guess password.

Try running a bunch of online virus scaners like bitdefender, f-secure online scan, eset online scan, panda activescan...

Run spybot, malwarebytes..and last but not least combofix in case you may have a rootkit. Either way dude I strongly recommend you format, reinstall get yourself a legit copy of Win 7 if you don't already have it and update to SP1. Also if you are inclined to learn a bit about linux setup a dedicated linux box to store your bitcoins on. At the very least run a Linux install in Vmware or something.


If it is a targeted bitcoins virus, it would just loads up your wallet and sends the info via a web call. Your firewall wouldn't even stop a gets. It is really unlikely that any virus programs are going to catch something that simple, antivirus software hasn't yet learned that anything accessing wallet.dat is probablt bad. Of course, since no one should be stupid enough to run such a program, it is possible that it got injected through some known exploit. In that case, antivirus should find it.


http://k.min.us/ikZZRk.zip (Namecoin binary build) <-- this is the only thing not open source/from trused place. But its namecoin and the link is in this forum.

Things on the forum are the most suspicious, since the forum is the best way to get malicious software out. If I had to guess, I would start there. I would hate to see someone use namecoin this way, but you never know.

EDIT: I can't find that link anywhere on the forum. Where did you find it?
333  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:41:13 AM
if you cant update to SP1, you might have cornficker.

MS has a patch for that you can search.

Goodluck.

Do you really think cornflicker has been updated to steal wallets?

It is odd that your computer was off when it happened. I don't know what to tell you, it seems very mysterious. Are you behind a router and firewall?
334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goxed - 15:30 open on: June 27, 2011, 05:36:54 AM
shit someone just merged threads.

If it was dark pool, should they be showing up in the regular charts?

No, and there don't seem to be any dark pools at the moment. I don't see the option anyway.
335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:26:45 AM
It seems that besides a test spend about a week age, this account has only been active today. Something had to have accessed your wallet today. I doubt you picked it up earlier and it has just been waiting. Are you sure you can't think of anything you ran or visited that may be responsible?
336  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:20:37 AM
If everything you say is true, the only way this can happen is a virus. Go back through everything bitcoin related that you have downloaded in the last 6 days. Check your history and note every bitcoin related website. This has to be a targeted attack, so focus on bitcoin related items.
337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:17:58 AM
Seems like the address that your money was sent to has been pretty active the last 6 days.

http://blockexplorer.com/address/15Afx45asCysyNd9HE7xeZTkzLgDq2JCEx
338  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALL of my bitcoins stolen (Around 60) . What the F*CK. on: June 27, 2011, 05:12:02 AM
If I were going to fake that, I wouldn't photoshop it, that would be dumb. I'd just send the coins to an address I own and say they were stolen. We can never know who owns that address. It could be you.

More details would nice. Did you have an unencrypted version for normal access. Have you downloaded anything from bitcoin related sites that promised you something. Does anyone else have access to your computer?
339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Strange price spikes on Mt. Gox chart? on: June 27, 2011, 05:02:07 AM
Very weird. Looks like someone got really lucky with those deals (and someone unlucky). Do you think someone found a glitch and is trying to manipulate the market my manipulating the charts, or is it just an honest mistake?
340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Strange price spikes on Mt. Gox chart? on: June 27, 2011, 04:44:43 AM
I know for a fact that no one bought there way through to these prices. They seem to be some type of noise, an error. I'm not sure if real transactions occurred at those prices (out of the proper order), or whether the charts are just reporting corrupt data.
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