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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 11, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
huup:..just about future,trust,..real/not real..scam/not scam??Are they work hard/or just...?..yes,team work,we see some products,but...
just hard to trust when a lot questions not answered...small(big?) things like many workers works(for sure,real digits?? 35? 89?or 125??or???ICO money why so many different digits(some users post 100,some always think 120,but we know its 150.9ml??or im wrong?)about audits?yes was,but who,when?and another many and many business secrets,no answers and on,and on....this whats i really not like about this project....its not that simple..just cant answer because competitors,because business secrets...sometimes yes,but a lot times was just no answers for no reason at all....and here you start to think..

I can tell you what information we had from  I think it was Mantas who is the CCEO of Bankera about the employees numbers:

Lithuania 102 Employees
Estonia 02 Employees

I think it is impossible to give the exact number as this would require names and first names, and this is not legal to show names of your employees

Than the question of the total of raised money, I think it is hard to get an answer to that, or at least an exact answer, the numbers are fluctuating between 120-150 M€ and I think a big issue is because sometines numbers are given in$ and other times in €, and sometimes people put the value of crypto they raised as per the price at the end of ICO and others put the value at the day of the article, that is why there is a lot of difference, I sincerly don't think they will provide to public that number.

About the Audit, as we all have been showing and we have been checking they are under European regulation and they are subject to financial audits, internal and to institutions, now do they have any interest in sharing their financial schems? I also doubt, if you are new startup and you build your financial engineering schems to lower costs and pay less taxes, or use multi companies to be efficient, you don't want that know how to be released to public and especially to some people with much more money than you and who could copy your schems and kick you out of the business.

Hear me, I would love to know a lot of data, and been asking and harrasising Admins and CEO/CCEO to get some data about volumes in SC or any other valuable information, and they kept that unshared

What I can say is that I see them going further every month and I see they choose their strategy and stick to it, and hopefully this will be a good train

At the end remember it is a Startup with very high risk and very high reward that is a thing we knew when we got in, and the infiormation is only theirs this is also a point I knew when I got in as it was in the T&C
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 11, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

You express the questions hanging over Bankera clearly, and I agree with much of what you say.
I too invested with the same hopes as you and have been similarly disappointed with the pace of the project.
We investors face a stark choice, to sell now at a substantial loss or hodl and wait for the returns to improve in future. It's not a great position to be in, but it's one we share with so many people who invested in speculative projects at the height of the ICO boom.
I've made my decision to hodl, and the absurd accusations, threats and general bullying from mosprognoz, gorbal (my spell checker insists on calling him gerbil) which have turned this thread into a cesspit lately have only strengthened my resolve. Never give in to bullies. And I hope you decide to stay with us too. It's been a long, dark night for BNK and Weekly Revenue, but things are always darkest just before dawn.

Could not say it better, Excellent !
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 11, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
 I read everything what was written about this project,but....still no answer:))))

Yes you also have to admit that some questions won't have answers as even Bankera and CEO do not know about the answers, it is like how a poduct will take to be developped, it depends a lot of you devs, the complexity of the project, and the environment, for example you can spend months in building a project and then the regulation changes, and a lot of work has to be undone and redone in another way, all of this makes a planning just indicative, take it like building or revamping a house, first you go visit, and see and estimate cost and time of works, and then months after your constructor tells you the whole old electrical installation is not complying the regulation, well sad, but you have to spend more and delay your project to make something you have not expected, that is what we call in Management the "Unknown Unknown" and you never can predict impact of this, just make some contingency and mostly it's never enough

But for the rest of the questions that you have answered or found an answer ... well better asking them in Chat.Bankera.com where may be you could find rapid answer or the answer is "we cannot tell that", or "it is in the plan" that can be answers that are not what you want to hear but you know at least they have your question in mind
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 11, 2019, 11:49:37 AM
All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

    

Hi Ab, and Thanks for joining the community here, so yes things haven't gone the way everyone expecting in Crypto as almost 99% of the Cryptos are more than 90% down, but what makes me more confident being invested in Bankera than in any other shitcoin is that shitcoins only look for hype, and promising prices and XX trx/s and will be the BTC killer, ETH Killer, XRP killer and  "whatever you want" Killer, wherease Bankera makes very little noise screams very rarely and is dedicated to produce and deliver products (I agree me myself am many times upset and angry about them choosing this strategy to prioritze products over Brand Marketing), but the thing is that they have delivered... not always the quality I expect from them (Like their Exchange) but it is still operationnal and made not to compete with Binance or Kucoin but to serve the holders without depending on third part (And you can believe me if I tell you that after the bad surprise we had with the third provider of debit cards due to Visa restriction of Crypto Cards, I really believe better have maximum of services and tools inhouse)

I also have to confess they have also delivered products that were very satisfying such as the loans platform, and the IBAN when they used to workd (Hopefuly we get them back soon as all restrictions from the LCB have been taken off and Pervesk the twin company of Bankera is prepraring the IBANs)

So yes, it is a slow growth, but honestly even with this extremly bearish Market, this negativity around the product and incessent FUD, they have been able to pay 101 of Weekly revenue (They are not that much given the services are suspended, like cards, IBANs) but that means they are complying with their promises in paying, and delivering and setting up new products and services.

I have also to admit that they have always been open for talking even if their answers were not satisfying, they always are available on their chat almost 24/24 7/7 Chat.Bankera.com, I don't know much of project where you can have them that available, and they are not some "Mods" subcontracted to manage some Telegram, no, they are the company employees so they care as we acre about the token, project and community

Ho long it can take? well who knows, Comlobus did not know how long it would take him to reach india, and he reached America, and People though mankind will land in Mars by late 70s and look... people though old keyboard phones will last longer and smartphone will take too much time to take market...and look now...

Best thing I think to do is try to get the most accurate, updated, and true information about the project to take the best decisions
45  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 11, 2019, 11:22:11 AM
So letś make a resumé of what is happening here:

Bankera investors community shares:

1. Highly reputed newspaper of Lithuania articles, detailling that LCB takes off his fines from Bankera for KYC debates, and also takes off fine from CEO after a court decided so.

2. Different videos of reconized high profile people (UE Parlement adviser economist, Ion Won ex CEO of NEM Fundation..etc) and several videos of employees interviews

3. Long report of a Lithuanian Television making a documentary about Fintech and Blockchain visited Bankera offices and employees and interviewed the CCEO

4. Direct links to Estonian recent Licences obtained by Spectrocoin, links are from the Estonian Ministery

Our multiaccount (Bought Legendary accounts) Fudders:

1. Self made images
2. Self make empty accusation
3. Trolling and repeating same empty post with no evidence after 02 years of bashing and slandering
4. Raising flags by their own multiaccounts
5. Openning several topic about the same false accusations
6. Not a single proofe from any reconized organization or institution of their false accusations
7. Insults, threats of rape, trying to sell some inexesting LCB documentation for BTC


Well I think the dinner has been served, guests have had their meal and story is clear as cristal, here there is only one scam: The false accusations and spam/troll this team of living-of-fakenews-lies team try to do
46  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 11, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
SpectroCoin Receives Crypto Licences in Estonia

We are delighted and proud to announce that SpectroCoin now officially holds so called crypto licences for “Providing services of exchanging a virtual currency against a fiat currency” and “Providing a virtual currency wallet service” in Estonia.



https://blog.spectrocoin.com/en/2019/01/spectrocoin-receives-crypto-licences-in-estonia/

Both can be found in

https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/500169?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D245024

https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/500164?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D245024

It is from the Ministery of Estonia...

Who knows...may be Estonia is also a paid shiller of Bankera no? Grin

47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 11, 2019, 10:13:16 AM
It turned out that the topic of ANN Bankera was still busy, I thought there were a lot of hurt investors including me. think that the bankera project will be good but after openmarket it is far from expectations and forced to sell losses

Hello and welcome again in this topic, yes it has crashed in price as 99% of the Altcoins and late ICOs did, but it kept delivering and working on its products, they already launched the Loans Platform, the exchange (Even if I agree it is a very basic one, its goal is not to compete with Binance bt to give Bankera holders a place to exchange BNK without depending on a third part exchange), they also are printing the cards and hopefully soon we will get them operationnal, and as all the issues related to pervesk have been cleared by the LCB they are in way to get back the IBANs working

In résumé, the project is a delivery phase, and recovering almost all of its services and products, that is why all say the 2019 might be the year of bankera

I personnally believe it is one of the most promising project in the Crypto World as it is not a "thin air" and "some Youtuber shilled Crypto" it is a project based on products and not any hype, actually the most of time people are reproching them to not hype anything and only deliver products  Cheesy
Hi Jimmy,
I asked this question a few pages back but someone gave me a stupid answer. What do you the price of BNK will be once all is up and running?

I ask you as you seem to have some good knowledge on this project and crypto. I also know that no one can predict these things especially in crypto. Just would like your opinion.

Thanks

No one can predict the future and anyone telling you thw opposite is lting.

Well as Huup already said here the price is not the most important as it is an Utility token associated with a weekly revenue (even if laterly they are not paying on time however  due to the any services they are setting up and getting back ..they always pay the total of WRs)

So the way I see it is if the WR rises than there is a bigger incentive in holding more BNKs and for more time as the linger you hold your tokens the more tou accumukatr in WR which makes it a good  ROI

So as in stocks people will first look for shares with dividends... and in Crypto people will look for tokens with returns meanwhile they hold them. Now the WRcan go higher for several reasons....If Debit cards are again active before end of 2019  we could see a good return on WR which will attract people to buy at low level price we have now...just remember Spectrocoin had 65.000 debit cards before the issue with Visa with Crypto related cards...so I believe we could hit +90.000 debit cards this years if we get them back that will be a big shoot on revenue as Cards are laying fees for operations and everyday there are a millions of operations...after...the loans service is just starting now and they are holding Back promotion untill they make KYC easier and better once they start promoting this will also sum up to WR I don't know how much will cost a BNK at that time by I think we could get back to ICO price before even seeing bull market as  as a token it will be profitable and people would buy them ay the lowest price making their ROI the higher

Hope I could help ypu
48  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MOSPRONGNOZ FAKE scam accusations to make money form projects on: August 11, 2019, 08:44:24 AM
(The Admin can find the deleted post and confirm it is yours and not changed)

Admin can also find the real quote of MontyMcMoo where he offered me to bang up my mother. That's why he got such a answer from me. Bankera and Spectrocoin both have  active flags now and they really deserved them. Jimmy, I am tired of bankera, you and all of your countless shill accounts. I am out of bankera scammy thread. Go and find a proper jon Jimmy instead of guarding scammers thread 24/7. Take care ang Bye...  

The flag you put yourself to Bankera  after they refused to pay you for any account sell here, and then you turned against them to FUD untill they pay.

MontyMcMoo was answering you that HE (Not that YOU) was old enough to fuck his mother after you insulted him saying "Motherfucker"

And then you just tell people that they can rape his mother and his wife if they pay him, this is a call for a rape no matter if it is paid or not and this is a very serious thing that Mods carred about and deleted your posts
49  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 11, 2019, 08:37:59 AM
Apparently there have been unresolved scam accusations against Bankera dating back to February 2017. Just a reminder for everybody on why Bankera is a scam:



Their token has done nothing but plummet in value since December. You'd have to be a madman to get involved with this project now.

Glad to see we are no more Bankera paid shillers but that he problem for you is an invented scam accusation (By your multiaccount group), so just to remind the readers, if a company is a scam what do you think that would happen if this same company faced the Central Lithuanian Bank (LCB) in a court? Please take into account that Lithuania is an European country and for it, the LCB is supervised by the European Central Bank, so what do you think that a "supposed scam company mounted by two very known scammer who stolen 200 BTC from users" will face in a gouvernment court against the LCB ?

Well nothing, not even a suspecious acam activity as it is a regulated company and works with AML, this is the information, the reality, the real world, not some...forum member active 24/7/365 to try to get money from fudding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52110407#msg52110407

Not to forget that we have real Information here also:


Regarding all the story related to UAB Pervesk, Spectrocoin, Lithuanian Bank and FNTT, long story short:

1) Lithuanian Bank has checked UAB Pervesk (partnership with Bankera, belongs to the same owners, has an Electronic Mony license in Lithuania with a right to operate in all European Union Member States), FNTT  (lit. - Finansinių Nusikaltimų Tyrimo Tarnyba - special Lithuanian criminal investigation body for the investigation of the financial crimes and all related) also participated in this audit.

use google translate (Verslo Žinios in Lithuania is the same as Financial Times for the rest of the world - the most credible resource):
https://www.vz.lt/rinkos/2018/09/21/mokejimu-istaigai-ir-jos-vadovui--12-mln-eur-baudu

2) all the story is about KYC regulations - Know Your Client it is connected to AML (Anti Money Laundering), policies the Finantial institutions (UAB Pervesk in this case) has to implement to prevent crimes, basically to collect a relevant data from your Clients related to the source of the money. This audit had nothing to do with a scam or something like that!!!!!

3) One more time - the story with fines and FNTT is only related to KYC procedures!! Only!!!

4) Vilnius regional administrative court has lifted All the fines from UAB Pervesk and it`s CEO!!

read an 12-06-2019 article about that in Verslo Žinios (google translate will help):
https://www.vz.lt/rinkos/2019/06/12/teismas-panaikino-baudas-bankeros-ikurejui-ir-susijusiai-imonei

and our Lithuanian second biggest news website 15min:
https://www.15min.lt/verslas/naujiena/bendroves/teismas-panaikino-pervesk-ir-jos-vadovui-skirtas-baudas-663-1158840


5) AND FINALLY - LITHUANIAN CENTRAL BANK HAS ANNOUNCED ITSELF THAT on 25-01-2019 IT HAS LIFTED ALL THE RESTRICTIONS AND UAB PERVESK HAS NO MORE KYC ISSUES!!!!
READ OFFICIAL LITHUANIAN BANK`S STATEMENT ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE!!!


https://www.lb.lt/lt/naujienos/lietuvos-banko-valdybos-nutarimai-140

Second section of the announcement, google translate will help to translate from Lithuanian.

Believe only official-governmental resources!!!! not some BS some haters are spreading here!!!

Enjoy your day!
50  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MOSPRONGNOZ FAKE scam accusations to make money form projects on: August 11, 2019, 08:10:05 AM

Yes Yes, but let's focus on your rape threats:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627

As you message was reportes among the thousands Mods had to delete, but as I expected you to deny everything, I kept a copy (The Admin can find the deleted post and confirm it is yours and not changed)

I am probably old enough to fuck my mom.

Ooo. Dude, I am sure your mom was a whore. And she was fucking random dudes in front of you. And you liked it. Now your wife is doing the same and you like to watch that too... Let me fuck the wife of yours for 0.0001 BTC.. I am sure it is much more than bankera scammers are paying you

For archive... and Can any Moderation tell us if the forum tolerates this kind of  language?
51  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 11, 2019, 07:39:21 AM
Hi everybody, just while you read consider and who it might concern this Legendary account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) has been offered for sale since 2016 for 0.3BTC you can check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0


And we already said, we all are real distinct and unique Bankera Community investors, you can all find us at Chat.Bankera.com and see we have been posting almost with the same nickname since the beggining of ICO, We have nothing to hide, no other aim than to expose scammer and pure fudder who uses his permament presence in here to bash Bankera and ask for money



52  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 10, 2019, 08:55:38 PM
So now all the fake shill accounts are bumping their own scam thread - hilarious!

Said the fourth Ego-account of the same person, You still running between account because of the flags...
53  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bankera/Spectricoin paid shills bumping the thread 24/7 Creating a fake buzz !!! on: August 10, 2019, 07:12:08 PM
Hi everybody who reads us, so this guys with multiaccounts pretends we all are paid shillers because we as members of the community were at the limit with his DAILY spamming of this topic with false accusations, and with only trolling with unfounded accusations about a project that has been running 6 years under the European regulation and has proven that every product has been delivered.

So when as a community decided to put him and end and get back the topic to its orginal aim i.e talking about the project, products and progress with real facts he started to go wild making not only trolling but also sex offers (Asking for naked photos against BTC), Pretending Lithuanians are Nazzi, pretending we all are one person, and pretending he has some documentation he obviously never shown but asked people to pay him in BTC to see, he also threaten my GF and my wife to rape them, and also insulted all of the participants....

His own messages have been reported various times to modrators of the topic and many have been deleted as extremly trash and irrespectful

So yes, if we are guilty of defending our investment and the project we believe in and the company showed us more legal existence and compliance then he showed as scam accusation (after almost a year of FUD he has never been able to show not a single proof of his accusations)

So yes we will keep defending the topic to keep it clean, respectful and useful to the project community, and if we decided to come back after a long time of inactivity that is not breaking an rule neither we have to live all day here as he does.

So if anyon wants to find us and be sure w exist just join the official Chat.Bankera.com
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 10, 2019, 03:57:32 PM
It turned out that the topic of ANN Bankera was still busy, I thought there were a lot of hurt investors including me. think that the bankera project will be good but after openmarket it is far from expectations and forced to sell losses

Hello and welcome again in this topic, yes it has crashed in price as 99% of the Altcoins and late ICOs did, but it kept delivering and working on its products, they already launched the Loans Platform, the exchange (Even if I agree it is a very basic one, its goal is not to compete with Binance bt to give Bankera holders a place to exchange BNK without depending on a third part exchange), they also are printing the cards and hopefully soon we will get them operationnal, and as all the issues related to pervesk have been cleared by the LCB they are in way to get back the IBANs working

In résumé, the project is a delivery phase, and recovering almost all of its services and products, that is why all say the 2019 might be the year of bankera

I personnally believe it is one of the most promising project in the Crypto World as it is not a "thin air" and "some Youtuber shilled Crypto" it is a project based on products and not any hype, actually the most of time people are reproching them to not hype anything and only deliver products  Cheesy
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 10, 2019, 01:54:47 PM

In December 2017, everything was of much greater value. Now, only real projects that have a real product will be able to repeat this. And I hope that the BANKERA is on this list.

I have no doubt we will hit again high WR given the cards will be back again, IBANs also as the restriction LCB put last time have been released and if Loans works as foreseen then Bankera will be one of the best investment I did
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 10, 2019, 11:14:38 AM
So if you want to know more about the project and its products or only to know us all and the Bankera team just join us at Chat.bankera.com where the real community is and get real information
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 10, 2019, 09:39:00 AM
Bye and Good luck  Cheesy
If you speak spanish theres an ivoox podcast about bankera roadmap for 20xx, its very good one.
https://www.territoriobitcoin.com/y-ahora-que-que-nos-espera-para-2019-y-el-resurgimiento-de-bankera-ep67/

Not bad at all, Scrooge could you make some Audios also? Tongue
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 10, 2019, 09:22:32 AM
Hey Hey Hey Guess Who is in Da House?  Cheesy Cheesy Jimmy the AI which lives in Chats and Forums  Grin

So Scrooge what is strategy with the new Cards coming and the IBAN? Mine is tu use it at first as Banking account to get Fiat and spent it through the card, Fiat I get from trading Altcoins once Bull run comes, even if it seems that this Bullrun in Crypto won't happen before 2022 as my opinion Lips sealed
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 09, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
Bye and Good luck  Cheesy
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]BANKERA – Building the Bank for the Blockchain Era on: August 09, 2019, 03:38:38 PM


Because they don't give a shit, I keep asked for speaking to manager but they don't let me. Hum I lost almost half a million and I can talk to anyone but support and copy pasted replies wtf...

The solution if you want to talk to the company is in the court where they have no choice than to answer when asked by the Judge. Again writting here your case is not going to make your case better as the Judge is not a member of this forum, and even if he was...well the laws are in the court...

So Just focus in your case defense in the court, and if you win then great you can tell us all what you are telling now but the difference is that by then it would be "the truth" for everyone as the court would have decided that, not one or another part of the affaire
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